73 sects hadith explanation - Shaykh Hasan Ali

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 5th May 2014 19:57

Explanation of the hadith of 73 sects by Shaykh Hasan Ali

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This is one of the biggest controversies in probably all of mankind's history! Who is the saved sect? Unfortunately people read the hadith where prophet Muhammad sallahu alayhi wasalam said " My ummah will split up into 73 sect" and take it literally. Some muftis use this hadith as a weapon to do takfir. Some people use this hadith for their own greedy purposes. In the video sheikh Hasan Ali explains what this hadith REALLY means, and who REALLY is THE saved sect?

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 5th May 2014 20:11

I am unable to click the video to listen to an "audio only" version. Is it just me or are others experiencing the same problem?

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 5th May 2014 20:24

Opening post edited updated, hope that's ok.

The youtube link is fine, the link doesn't work via the mobile version checked via desktop version, the link takes you directly to the youtube channel. not sure why this is happening will bring it to admins attention, inshaAllah, جزاك الله خيرا

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 5th May 2014 20:27

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Click on Ummah unity project and it'll take you to it on YouTube

It's a 7 min clip by shaykh Hasan Ali

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 5th May 2014 20:44

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 15th July 2014 02:35

Read this, by Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (rahmatullah alayh): www.themajlis.info/5303/the-72-doomed-sects-2

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 15th July 2014 19:18

A very similar talk.

www.muftisays.com/forums/77-taqleed--the-straight-path/91...

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 17th July 2014 16:22

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Sister, as long as your Aqeedah is correct and you stick to one Madhab (Hanafi in your case) then inshaAllah, there will be no conflict or confusion.

Just dont pick and choose between schools as thats where the confusion starts.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 17th July 2014 16:48

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This is exactly we need to do. Stick to a madhab, do taqleed.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 18th July 2014 02:59

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Once again sister, my reply would be the same as the one I gave previously, but since you've elaborated further then I'll be honest withyou. We are all in the same boat.

We all go through thick and thin. And the example you give of yourself is almost a mirror image of myself.

Please see this post on Aqeedah, that's what it should be. With regards to Ash'ari, Maturidi, then don't worry about that. That's not our problem. This is something the Ulama handle. If you ask me about the two, then I have no clue because I do exactly what you do and that is to take what I understand and leave what I don't understand. So for me, you and many others, as long as we believe in the correct teachings, then inshaAllah, no one can deny that we are on Haq.

The second issue arises on Fiqh. Fiqh is like a puzzle. You can only use the pieces of one puzzle to complete the whole thing. If we were to take 4 puzzles and try to make a complete puzzle, we won't succeed. We'd still end up making just the one correct one or 4 correct ones.

What the GMs have done is have taken all the puzzles, put them together and forced then to fit in place leaving many gaps in between.

Therefore, it's safer to stick to one concise school.

There is no need to filter out the pieces of the puzzle, because we have Ulama who have done this for us, all we need to do is stick to it�and not pick and choose.

The third issue in my case is all these other branches within the school, like tasawwuf, naqsbandi, chisti, tabligh, Sufism, and many more branches. Honestly, I don't get any of them and neither do I follow any of them (i think) I stick to my Aqeedah and Fiqh and use these branches if they help me stay clear from sinning and other stuff, but I don't associate myself with any one of them.

No one can tell me that by leaving out any of these branches I am misguided. Yes they can help me stay on the right path, but they are just tools.

I'm Deobandi just because I went to a Deobandi Madresa, but I don't associate myself with any one of the group's. I follow what I understand from various Ulama as to what the Haq is. I have my principles, I'm for the truth even if it is against my way/habits/understanding as long as I know that major Ulama have backed this opinion to be more correct. An example would be halal food. Within the Deobandi Ulama, one set says stunning is ok and mechanical slaughter is ok yet another set say no it's not, so here I go for what is closer to the truth and further from doubt.

I'm not bait to any Shaykh, but I follow many.

Take a look through the links in the post, inshaAllah it'll help you clear some misconceptions you may have.

How much can we filter through and how are we supposed to know where to make changes when the greatest Ulama in the world have already tried and tested it.

Each school is perfect as long as you stick to it.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 18th July 2014 16:50

Topic split and moved to here www.muftisays.com/forums/77-taqleed--the-straight-path/92...

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 19th July 2014 12:31

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Please see this post on Aqeedah, that's what it should be. With regards to Ash'ari, Maturidi, then don't worry about that. That's not our problem. This is something the Ulama handle. If you ask me about the two, then I have no clue because I do exactly what you do and that is to take what I understand and leave what I don't understand. So for me, you and many others, as long as we believe in the correct teachings, then inshaAllah, no one can deny that we are on Haq.

While living among the dhahiris I had been taught that the Qur'an is eternal and has no beginning because it is part of Allah's speech, and Allah's speech is eternal, something is either created, uncreated, or non-existent. Allah's kalam is uncreated, just like Allah's will, Allah's power, Allah's knowledge, etc. are uncreated. This belief seems be true, right?
They say the Mu'tazilah believe that the Qur'an is created.
When I asked if it was necessary to believe in this or know about it, then I had been told, It is of utmost importance given that this issue tore the ummah apart during the reign of Caliph al-Ma'mun and a few of his successors. Ahmad ibn Hanbal was tortured severely by the Caliph for saying the Qur'an is uncreated. Is that correct?

Also, according to them it is wrong to to say that Allah sees through the faculty of sight. Allah sees. However, if we say that "Allah sees through His attribute of sight" we are speculating as to how Allah sees, and ascribing instrumentality to the manner in which He sees. Allah is all-knowing and all-aware, all-seeing and all-hearing, but we do not say that he needs "sight" to see or "hearing" to hear, the way a human does. This belief also seems correct, right?

I want to confirm if what I was taught is correct as per sunnis or not?

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 19th July 2014 12:41

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Paragraphs one and two: The Quran is uncreated as it is the speech of Allah. Imam Ahmad was punished for this.

Paragraph three. We believe Allah can see and hear but we don't go into "How" or with what. He sees and hears in a Manner that suits his Majesty. We can't compare to our seeing and hearing.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 19th July 2014 13:42

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Okay. So dhahiris resemble sunnies on this. But still can't endorse 100% of their beliefs as they believe Allah is ad-dahr i.e time - Which is really strange.

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 19th July 2014 15:45

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I have heard some scholars say that Dhahiri Madhab actually died out in the 12th century. Today its revival is not really correct it seems.

Wallahu alam.

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