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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 10th November 2014 18:06
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If you can prove that the other holy books are not heavenly books and are indeed the Kalaam of Allah then please send it to Maulana Tariq Jameel (or to where you heard the talk). You can also start a new thread with your academic findings.

If you cannot prove that his statement is false then please see the advice I've quote above from ibn Ismail. Your opening post is asking for evidence from laymen. This is not allowed on this forum.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 10th November 2014 22:01
Assalamualaikum, my post is actuely toward brother yasin, i tried to pm him, but it seems to be disabled, thats why gotta ask here.

www.muftisays.com/forums/14-peoples-say/9630-are-other-ho...

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If you can prove that the other holy books are not heavenly books and are indeed the Kalaam of Allah then please send it to Maulana Tariq Jameel (or to where you heard the talk).
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its not clear to me. are kalaam of Allah not heavenly books or is there difference between heavenly books and kalaam of Allah? we got 4 heavenly books or is quran different than other 3 books? this difference is first time i am hearing. please shed some light on this.
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You can also start a new thread with your academic findings.
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am a laymen, and there are knowledgble students are present in the forum. i open it so if anyone got anything to share then they may, otherwise the thread will get lost cause of not getting any responce like other thread. i will not die if nobody responces here =)
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If you cannot prove that his statement is false
MTJ being false or right isnt my issue. from where he got the statement is my concern. is his evidence authentic, i will forward to other ulama with evidence. If i go to any ulama then they will ask me to bring the evidence from where MTJ quote it.
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Your opening post is asking for evidence from laymen. This is not allowed on this forum.
i didnt mention in my post that my fellow laymen should bring evidence. i said if anyone(scholar,student,laymen) knows then please share. i didnt put gun on anyones neck to bring evidence hadrat =) . None should produce evidence from their pocket. i didnt ask for any fatwa from any people.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 28th June 2015 20:50
Just an update regarding this thread.

Mufti Saeed Ahmed Palanpuri has just mentioned in his lecture that the other books are not the kalaam of Allah. They are kitabs. Only the Quran is the kalaam of Allah.

Jibreel (as) would bring knowledge and the previous prophets would teach their kitabs but theyweren'tt he kalaam of Allah.

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