Myth of Vaccinations

Asslamo Allaikum,

1. I am not a "Maulana"
2. This is an ongoing discussion which went back and forth many times yesterday so no need to start/end with "Salam" in every conversation and Shaykh (Mufti) Abu Hajira clarified this on SF
   1. Nevertheless it was an intentional omission and if I hurt his or your feeling (I apologise and seek forgiveness)
3. See the paranethesis next to where I called him hypocrite
4. The reason this brother needs to REFUTED harshly is due to his unreasonable behavior examples:
   1. His original premise was separation of Qiblah in America (spearation from beleivers) which is a HUGE CRIME in Islam. His original premise has been ripped apart, the Fatwa which he quoted has been ripped apart, Mufti A.S. Desai (HA) has been refuted and he has now changed his position. This brother REMAINS unrepentant and unchanged
   2. His position on vaccination is FUTILE, he again quotes ONE DEOBANDI ALIM in his support with hunderds against him. He is playing games with the truth (he has no argument) but his intention is to again DISUNITE the Ummah, spread DISINFORMATION, create CHAOS, wreck HAVOC

So he cannot be dealt with softly at all.

All he has to do is change his position to say that it has NOTHING to do with Islam but his own Nafs (likes/dislikes) and that is fine but the minute he tries to INSERT Islam into it he will be refuted because there are LIVES AT RISK here!

He is deliberately and intentionally putting lives at risk and dividing the body of believers (by suggesting different Qiblah etc).

I am neither perfect nor claim perfection nor claim knowledge and I accept and admit that you are better then me so realise the seriousness of his CRIMES and feel free to refute the better (Sunnah compliant way).

The Sister is the same way; she is putting lives at RISK.

When it claims to healthcare it is Islam to REFUTE BOGUS CLAIMS and a BOGUS Health Care Practitioner is PUNISHABLE in Hanafi Fiqh to the extreme because it puts lives at risk.

Please suggest a Darul-Ifta site and we can request a Fatwa and ask the legal status of someone who  is deficient in scientific/medical knowledge and putting lives at risk by delving into information which they have no idea about. This goes for Shaykh (Mufti) A.S. Desai (HA) he is free to comment on the Halal/Haram nature of ingredients but he neither has the knowledge, experience, jurisdiction or authority to start commenting  on efficacy of medical treatments (be it vaccination or whatsoever). The minute it is proven to him (and it has been) that vaccinations in UK DO NOT contain any Haram ingredients the buck stops!

In Islamic Shariah the efficacy, harms, side-effects of a medical treatment need to come from a comptent medical proefssional.

1. Shaykh (Mufti) A.S. Desai (HA) is NOT a competent medical professional
2. Dr Abdul Majid Katme whom he quotes frequently as basis is NOT a competent medical professional but a Psychiatrist (I know that Psychiatry is a medical profession but you know what I mean here in terms of vaccination)
3. thehousewife (starter of this thread) is NOT a competent medical professional
4. brooklynyte4ever is NOT a competent medical professional
5. I am NOT a competent medical professional

Under strict Shariah law all 5 would be BANNED from speaking about a subject which we have little knowledge of and matter would be deferred to someone who is an expert.

Unfortunately. we don't live under Khilafah and I have no recourse to a Qadhi to submit an application and get this heard and let the Ulamah decide on the matter.

But what I do have is to present counter-points and destory the flimsy 1920's science and "my kids are not vaccinated and they are healthy logic" and tear it to pieces.

Under Islamic Khilafah the claims of ONE SOUTH AFRCIAN ALIM about Qiblah direction will also be scrutinised and in the case where all AMERICAN ULAMAH are united on Qiblah position (he will be silenced by the Ameer and punished for proposing an opinion which is divergent from the rest of the Ulamah) because it creates Fitnah and divides the Ummah.

Unfortunately. we don't live under Khilafah and I have no recourse to a Qadhi to submit an application and get this heard and let the Ulamah decide on the matter.

But what I do have is to present counter-points and destory the flimsy pseudo-science and tear it to pieces so the Salah of my brothers and sisters is not put in doubt.

What you are not seeing the gravity of what this brother is proposing!

W-Salam,

Agree they have bigger problems with the issue here is vaccinations not other problems...

1. Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) backs vaccination (already admitted by Majlis here)
2. Shaykh (Maulana) Samiul-Haq (HA) Darul-uloom Akota Kharak (Deoband of Pakistan) and affiliated to Taliban (of Pakistan and Afghanistan) here is a signed copy

Are you and Shaykh (Mufti) A.S. Desai (HA) claiming to know conditions and Islam better then Pakistani Ulamah?

We are discussing vaccines globally? So if you have facts discuss the issue with facts! Unfortunately these are your facts:

I have never vaccinated any of my kids and they are all fine mashallah.

Simple answer to your fact is:

Forget the world but this forum has almost 4,000 users and many (and their children) are vaccinated and they are all fine mashallah.

So its your experience VERSUS thousands!

You can recommen cupping as Sunnah but the minute you tie to a disease or cure (which is not Sunnah) we will ask for proof! 

samy.3660 wrote:

Please if you have expertise then refute brother Muadh, brother has very effectively time and again posted relevant refutation. There are doctors too in this forum, I would like to know what they say.[/quote]

W-Salam Brother,

I do have technical, Academic and experience in this area (Allah (SWT)) knows best but our Dr brothers have already testified against this STUPIDITY, very clearly:

First testimony by Dr Umar123:

umar123 wrote:

I agree with Muadh bhai here. I m a doctor, the things mentioned in that sentence alone is wrong in many different levels.

- First of all, proton pump inhibitors are not used to treat all those 'alleged' symptoms mentioned.
- The only condition mentioned in that list that it is used for is Acid reflux .
- PPIs are only given for adults or older children, efficacy of PPI for infants below age 1yr is not proven, its not even routinely prescribed for Infant!
- Also none of the 'side-effects' mentioned in that statement (cancer, kidney disease etc) have been proven to be associated with PPIs.


I m not asking people to blindly believe the pharma companies. But believing such poorly researched and biased conclusions is not justice either. [/quote]

Second testimony by Dr76:

[quote=dr76]

The blog section needs some moderation.. guess anyone can blog anything.. like the nonsense user "housewife" keeps on posting..
she has surpassed 'Pawlak' (of sf) on conspiracy theories..

The lady says shez a nurse and says things even Baba Ramdev may think twice before uttering..

wa Assalam..

Third testimony by Dr Umar123:

[quote=umar123] That blog is misleading and has a specific propaganda. Do not let people exploit the forums big heart to give a blog space.

1. Nobody is calling to  vaccinate every child on Planet Earth.
2. Nobody is calling to use or enforce Western Medicince
3. Nobody is saying Western Medicine (Astaghfiraullah) is faultless
4. Nobody is saying Western Medicine doesn't have side effects
5. Nobody is saying that all ingredients in Western Medicine are Halal
6. Nobody is saying all treatements by Doctors and Health Professionals are divinely protected from errors
7. But what I am asking is for both brooklynyte4ever and thehousewife to TALK SENSIBLY!
8. STOP the STUPIDITY and this is an example...

I have never vaccinated any of my kids and they are all fine mashallah.