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#106 [Permalink] Posted on 21st June 2020 15:28
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W-Salam,

Your question requires in-depth analysis and details. The general answer to the matter would be yes but it will oscillate between obligation to highly recommended to maybe not (in extreme cases)

If you are referring to the Jamhoor of the Salaf, then it would be an obligation (or close to it).

If you are referring to Jamhoor of the Madhab (excluding Salaf) then it would be highly recommended or words close to it.

If you are referring to Jamhoor of the Ulama like in the case of Coronavirus (COVID-19) when we see Ulama from across Madhabs and Institutions are pretty much unanimous that distance can be maintained inside Salah (more on this later). Unless someone is willing to conclude that all of these Ulama have become misguided and guidance of Allah Ta'ala shines upon a singular Alim from Cape town (South Africa) and if someone holds this opinion then nothing can penetrate their skull! The issue here isn't with the Alim because in Islamic history there have always been Ulama who have held singular opinions aka strawberry is Haram (Mufti Zarwali Khan) and there is a term in Fiqh for these and you simply ignore these opinions without disrespecting the Ulama but laymen are under no obligation to make Taqleed of such opinions...

Then it comes to political reasons i.e. there have been times when an oppressor has Jailed/Imprisoned/Tortured Ulama and issued a "unanimous ruling" which contradicts the Deen e.g. in the case of Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal (RA) on one side (alone or with 2-3) and everybody else on the side so if you have the brains and understanding of what is going on why would you obey such a ruling? So the last case can happen...By extension a simple Muslim who does not know or understand what is going on and simply makes Taqleed (of the wrong Ulama) will be excused by Allah Ta'ala Insha'Allah. The important thing to note here is that Ulama did not become misguided, rather were coerced into rulings which many repented from while others Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal (RA) did not submit to tyranny!
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#107 [Permalink] Posted on 21st June 2020 15:35
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Ya Allah increase the status of Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal (R.A) and save us from all types of misguidance
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#108 [Permalink] Posted on 21st June 2020 17:01
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This is now easily understood.

There are many external factors, political and others which has coerced this type of ruling from the ifta departments of various institutions.

That one single aalim is under no compulsion of any coercive forces which would influence his ruling.
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#109 [Permalink] Posted on 21st June 2020 17:26
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You have misunderstood the message in the context of Coronavirus. There is no compulsion, threat or imprisonment of Ulama forcing them to issue any rulings (on Coronavirus) and neither are these against the Qur'aan and Sunnah.

I have also noticed that you have nothing to say about this:

www.muftisays.com/forums/14-peoples-say/13467-coronavirus...

Slander/Accusations of the Brother:

  1. Ulama of the whole world are coerced into misguuidance
  2. A single Alim of the World is the only one on guidance.


All without a shred of evidence!
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#110 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd June 2020 19:31
Salaam.

Is there a hadith regarding dajjal being angry when he emerges?
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#111 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd June 2020 20:03
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There are some other references as well but this shows that the Sahaba (RA) knew that Dajjal will emerge when he is angry

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#112 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd June 2020 13:21
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Question: Does infection spread via Viruses: Continuation

The abusive ignorant brigade had 48 hours to challenge the information from Qur'aan and the Sunnah and as usual, the cowards have gone into hiding because they have no basis in the Qur'aan and the Sunnah to spread their ignorance.

www.muftisays.com/forums/14-peoples-say/13467-coronavirus...

Part 5: Coronavirus (COVID-1) Patients should be STOPPED from attending the Mosque in the Hanafi Madhab

Conflicting Hadeeth 1:

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Conflicting Hadeeth 2:

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قوله : ( كان أهل الكتاب يسدلون أشعارهم ، وكان المشركون يفرقون رءوسهم ، وكان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يحب موافقة أهل الكتاب فيما لم يؤمر به ، فسدل ناصيته ، ثم فرق بعد ) قال أهل [ ص: 482 ] اللغة : يقال : سدل يسدل ويسدل بضم الدال وكسرها . قال القاضي : سدل الشعر إرساله . قال : والمراد به هنا عند العلماء إرساله على الجبين واتخاذه كالقصة يقال : سدل شعره وثوبه إذا أرسله ، ولم يضم جوانبه ، وأما الفرق فهو فرق الشعر بعضه من بعض . قال العلماء : والفرق سنة لأنه الذي رجع إليه النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم . قالوا : فالظاهر أنه إنما رجع إليه بوحي لقوله : ( إنه كان يوافق أهل الكتاب فيما لم يؤمر به ) .

قال القاضي : حتى قال بعضهم نسخ المسدل ، فلا يجوز فعله ، ولا اتخاذ الناصية والجمة . قال : ويحتمل أن المراد جواز الفرق لا وجوبه ، ويحتمل أن الفرق كان باجتهاد في مخالفة أهل الكتاب لا بوحي ، ويكون الفرق مستحبا ، ولهذا اختلف السلف فيه ، ففرق منهم جماعة ، واتخذ اللمة آخرون ، وقد جاء في الحديث أنه كان للنبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لمة ، فإن انفرقت فرقها ، وإلا تركها . قال مالك : فرق الرجل أحب إلي . هذا كلام القاضي . والحاصل أن الصحيح المختار جواز السدل والفرق ، وأن الفرق أفضل . والله أعلم .

قال القاضي : واختلف العلماء في تأويل موافقة أهل الكتاب فيما لم ينزل عليه شيء ، فقيل : فعله استئلافا لهم في أول الإسلام ، وموافقة لهم على مخالفة عبدة الأوثان ، فلما أغنى الله تعالى عن استئلافهم ، وأظهر الإسلام على الدين كله ، صرح بمخالفتهم في غير شيء ، منها صبغ الشيب . وقال آخرون : يحتمل أنه أمر باتباع شرائعهم فيما لم يوح إليه شيء ، وإنما كان هذا فيما علم أنهم لم يبدلوه .

واستدل بعض الأصوليين بهذا الحديث أن شرع من قبلنا شرع لنا ما لم يرد شرعنا بخلافه . وقال آخرون : بل هذا دليل أنه ليس بشرع لنا لأنه قال : يحب موافقتهم ، فأشار إلى أنه إلى خيرته ، ولو كان شرعا لنا لتحتم اتباعه . والله أعلم .


The two Ahadeeth may appear contradictory...

In the commentary of the (second) Hadeeth Imam Nawawi (RA) narrates that it was the opinion of Sayyiduna Umar (RA) food may be partaken with the leper (infectious patient) as the commandment of abstention (from him) has an abrogated. However considering the opinion of Jamhoor Ulama and the relevant evidence a conclusion can be reached that the command to be distant from a leper (i.e. an infectious patient) has not been abrogated but it is important to reconcile between the two Ahadeeth.

The command to be distant from leper is based on caution and permissibility and not as an obligation. As far as Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) eating with a leper is concerned, it was done to show permissibility (i.e. if someone who is close to a leper and relies on Allah Ta'ala and they cannot be forced to be distant).

Qadhi Iyadh (RA) states that lepers should be forcibly stopped from interacting (with the Healthy) in the Mosque, this is a matter of disagreement among the Ulama. If they become so large in number then a separate praying place should be established (away from others) and this is the opinion of the first group.

Qadhi Iyadh (RA) further states that if they are much less in number then their interaction with the health cannot be forced. They can be forced to stay away from daily prayers but not from Friday prayers.

Hanafi Madhab:

It is states in Kifayatul-Mufti that in these circumstances, the leper (himself) should not go to the Masjid and attend the congregational prayer and if he does not listen then people have the right to prevent his entry into the Mosque and his attendance from congregational prayers and there is no difference between (his local) and non-local Mosque. If he can be stopped from the local Mosque then it is permissible (even more so) to prevent from attending non-local Mosque and this is not based on (belief about infection spreading on its own) in fact there is no basis of infection spread (on its own) but this is due to harm to the other attendees (of the prayer) and fear and hatred of spread of infection and impurity.

’’۔۔۔ان صورتوں میں خود مجذوم پر لازم ہے کہ وہ مسجد میں نہ جائے اور جماعت میں شریک نہ ہو، اور اگر وہ نہ مانے تو لوگوں کو حق ہے کہ وہ اسے دخولِ مسجد اور شرکتِ جماعت سے روک دیں اور اس میں مسجد محلہ اور مسجد غیر محلہ کا فرق نہیں ہے، محلہ کی مسجد سے بھی روکا جاسکتا ہے تو غیر محلہ کی مسجد سے بالاولی روکنا جائز ہے اور یہ روکنا بیماری کے متعدی ہونے کے اعتقاد پر مبنی نہیں ہے، بلکہ تعدیہ کی شرعاً کوئی حقیقت نہیں ہے، بلکہ نمازیوں کی ایذا یا خوفِ تلویث مسجد یا تنجیس وباء نفرت و فروش پر مبنی ہے‘‘۔ (ج۳ / ص ۱۳۸، دار الاشاعت)
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#113 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 09:45
48 hours are up!!!

Why aren’t the Ulama of Pakistan enforcing any of these precautions now?

Did people who disagree with the social distancing say to defy the government orders?

You still didn’t answer anything that Mufti Saab wrote. These Ahaadith have been addressed by them. Along with the historical accounts that are mentioned. But the luxury of copying and pasting is not there for us. The writings are banned.

Stop assuming we do gheebat about you behind your back. You will be pleased to know I don’t have smartphone. This is not mentioned to display some form of piety. It’s not kept by me as a preventative measure (from wasting time). Requesting Duaa that Allah Ta’ala give me Istiqamaat in all good.
Don’t be so belligerent it doesn’t suit you well. There are many other Ulama on the same page and in agreement with Mufti Saab.

Abu Mohammed I can't seem to open the link about the Morons from muftisays. Is there another link?
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#114 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 11:24
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Perhaps they took it down too. I don't know what happened to it. But you get the gist of the content in the thread.
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#115 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 11:36
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Question:

Why aren’t the Ulama of Pakistan "enforcing" any of these precautions now?

Answer:

Ulama cannot legally "enforce" anything and that has been pointed out by Mufti Taqi Usmani (HA) and others repeatedly. In Islam the "enforcement" falls onto the Government and legally it is up to the Government.

As far as "Ulama" suggesting/recommending/following Social Distancing in Pakistan it is ongoing still today 26th of June 2020 and your information is dead wrong and outdated. Today's Jumuah in Darul-uloom Karachi (and other places) was done with Social Distancing in rows.

Rest of your queries are hate filled vomit which is irrelevant to the point of discussion.

Study under Ulama to understand how F-I-Q-H works and learn to R-E-A-D before making hypothetical remarks. There are "Ulama" who follow Mufti Zarwali Khan (HA)'s Fatwa that strawberry is Haram, does that make it a valid position in F-I-Q-H, that is what is being explained to you which you are failing to grasp!

Taqleed:

If a person is unable to understand and argue intelligently then are a "Muqallid" and making Taqleed so lets compare:

  1. I am making Taqleed of the unanimous position of Ulama
  2. He is making Taqleed of a single Alim from South Africa doesn't matter if 6 others agree with him


Group 2 is also shown that they are not making Taqleed of the same Mufti and still participating on Forums despite his clear Fatwa that it is Haram.

So if they can choose to ignore the "singular" position of that Alim on forums.

We choose to ignore it and follow the unanimous position on Social distancing.

The day these hate filled cowards who break their promises pledge to actually discuss a position based on facts, I am ready to discuss. They pose that they wish to discuss an issue but then never reply or respond to anything at all, it takes hours, days and weeks of research to look up issues and post them on a forum, they appear once in a blue moon insult and leave!

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#116 [Permalink] Posted on 26th June 2020 12:13
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1. You are also a Muqallid, regardless of how intelligent you may think you are.

2. Make Duaa that Allah Ta’ala give me the necessary ability to Understand and read fiqh.

3. What promise have I broken with you?

4. The things you wish to discuss are banned here, so why are you even addressing it, there are Ulama all over the world that do not agree with this social distancing, possibly in the hundreds. Why are you pointing out one Senior Alim who no one but you have brought up to begin with? Does it give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside?

5. Again it’s not wise to call people cowards, May Allah Ta’ala grant us all courage.
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#117 [Permalink] Posted on 28th June 2020 13:43
Assalamu alaikum

vocaroo.com/j8otSzC0FY7

This is Shaykh Sajjad Noumani HA talking about Dajjal. Do you all agree with what he is saying?
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#118 [Permalink] Posted on 28th June 2020 14:16
To corroborate a bit of what he said:

"There is a Satanic element in the French Revolution which distinguishes it from any other revolution known or perhaps that will be known."

--- Joseph de Maistre

Very few peoples know how many of modernity's "intellectuals" *literally* referred to Satan for their ideological projects, and you could say that the French Revolution officially inaugurated this era.

From van Luijk's "Children of Lucifer" :
Why did some of the most important Romantics in the nineteenth century suddenly start to sing praises to Satan?
What ignited this remarkable new appraisal of the fallen angel, who after all had been the prime mythological representation of evil in Western civilization for more than a millennium? We cannot understand this surprising occurrence unless we take into account the wider changed that were taking place in Western society. Two groundbreaking historical developments in particular, I would like to argue, were of paramount importance among these wider changes: first, revolution and, second, secularization. Both phenomena would bring profound changes to the face of the West and also create new opportunities for the appreciation of Satan.
On July 14, 1789, crowds had stormed the Bastille, the well-known fortress in Paris that served as the royal prison. This sparked a sequence of events in which the citizens of Paris dethroned and eventually executed their king and henceforth proceeded to govern themselves. This radical change in the political structure of one of Europe's foremost national powers became known as the French Revolution. It sent shock waves through the whole of the Western world, and eventually beyond, and can rightly be considered a turning point in modern history.
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#119 [Permalink] Posted on 28th June 2020 14:41
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He's saying the same thing Hamzah Yusuf Hanson said many years ago regarding the rocket scientist and his dajjali influence which is clearly documented by the scientist too.

There is an evil power that guides them and influences them with such knowledge / magic and so on..

I'll try and find the post in which it's been mentioned
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#120 [Permalink] Posted on 28th June 2020 15:48
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So what he said was true or false?
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