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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 9th July 2019 23:29

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Today the world is asking for tolerance for LGBT.

Those who don't adopt them will pay a price.

Soon they will legalize incest and the buffoons (no offence to buffoons) of the world will enforce it on everyone and make it something that everyone must tolerate.

The world is becoming a sick place.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 10th July 2019 00:24

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The thing is it wasn't that long ago that people in general had a natural aversion to these things. But now it seems like almost overnight that society has done a complete u-turn and those who hold on to the old values are now seen as the zalimun. Even the muslim youth (and some elders) have been duped into this mindset. I personally believe that their efforts to achieve this was very cleverly planned and orchestrated some time ago. It didn't happen just overnight. Just look at how much has changed in hejaz over the last couple of years, yet most Muslims don't care. Because they had already been prepared not to care.

Another point I want to mention is how the liberal left have become the natural allies of the Muslims and the conservative right have become our natural enemies. The Muslims get support from the liberal left, so naturally the Muslims in turn lend support to them. This is what is going on with our youth. When the EDL and other right wing groups hold a demonstration, the counter demonstration consists of lefty liberals which include the LGBT and LGBT supporters and the muslim demonstrators are with them side by side, shoulder to shoulder. So the downtrodden and rejected Muslims find acceptance and a comforting ally with the lefty liberals and the Muslims in turn give the same back.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 10th July 2019 06:27

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Not tolerance. They know very well that most people these days are tolerant of their degenerate behavior. No, what they want is acceptance. They want the people to say that yes, their degeneracy is also the right way of living. It also can lead to a path of salvation.

Anyone who doesn't accept their deviant lifestyle, they themselves become intolerant towards them but nobody speaks up about that because of this disease of political correctness plaguing the world right now.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 10th July 2019 10:07

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There is a more disturbing fact troubling my stomach which I have noticed. Even if some people are ready to talk against the wrongs of certain individuals and governments, they are not ready to talk against the system or even realize it's deception which has produced these leaders and helped form these governments. Why are people confused about Islamic/Muslim countries and secular countries? Can democracy become Islamic if Muslims manage it? Can Usury become halal if Muslims take and give it? Can ham become halal if Muslims "slaughter" it and say takbeer? Can monarchy be justified if a good practicing monarch emerges out of this nepotism based system? Can democracy be justified if it produces several other Erdagons? Can capitalism and communism be justified if they are successful in producing economic boom, even if it is for a shorter period? What if IK makes Pakistan a super power while in the process encourages more westernization and liberalization in the process? Will he be considered a hero then? Just because of his economic success?

What makes a muslim a Muslim and what makes something Islamic? What is Islam? A label? A name? A cause? A system? A ritual? Or a Deen?

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 10th July 2019 10:13

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Can democracy become Islamic if Muslims manage it?

The Democratic Republic of Muhammad (saw)

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 10th July 2019 10:18

Thread split as I was intending to do a new topic anyway.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 10th July 2019 10:21

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Incest a 'fundamental right', German committee says Anti-incest laws in Germany could be scrapped after a government-backed group said relationships between brothers and sisters should be legal

By Justin Huggler, Berlin4:09PM BST 24 Sep 2014
Laws banning incest between brothers and sisters in Germany could be scrapped after a government ethics committee said the they were an unacceptable intrusion into the right to sexual self-determination.

“Criminal law is not the appropriate means to preserve a social taboo,” the German Ethics Council said in a statement. “The fundamental right of adult siblings to sexual self-determination is to be weighed more heavily than the abstract idea of protection of the family.”

Their intervention follows a notorious case in which a brother and sister living as partners in Saxony had four children together. The couple had been raised separately and only met when the brother, identified only as Patrick S, was an adult, and his sister Susan K was 16.

Patrick S was sentenced to more than three years in prison for incest and the couple have since failed in their bid to have the guilty verdict overturned by the European Court of Human Rights.

The family was forced to live apart after the courts ruled that there was a duty to protect their children from the consequences of their relationship.

Two of the couple’s children are disabled, and it is believed that incest carries a higher risk of resulting in children with genetic abnormalities.

But the Ethics Council dismissed that argument, on the basis that other genetically affected couples are not banned from having children.

The Council said it based its recommendation on extensive research, in which it found many incestuous couples are forced to live in secret.

In one case, it found a woman was being blackmailed by her father and ex-husband, who threatened to depive her of access to her children unless she ended a new relationship with her half-brother.

Incest remains illegal in the UK and most European countries, although France abolished its incest laws under Napoleon I and there has been growing debate over the taboo in Germany.

Around two to four per cent of Germans have had “incestuous experiences”, according to an estimate by the Max Planck Institute.

But a spokeswoman for Angela Merkel’s ruling Christian Democrats indicated the government was unlikely to adopt the Ethics Council’s recommendations.

“The abolition of the offense of incest between siblings would be the wrong signal,” said Elisabeth Winkelmeier-Becker, legal policy spokeswoman for the party’s group in parliament.

“Eliminating the threat of punishment against incestuous acts within families would run counter to the protection of undisturbed development for children.”

The Telegraph.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 10th July 2019 10:35

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I have skimmed through the article. However, my question.

If the author is ready to call it "democracy" then I would like to ask that did Ahlur Rae chose Sayyidina Abu Bakr RA or every single sahabi ra at that time chose Sayyidina Abu Bakr RA. Did any clan members had any choice to go against the wish of their Cheiftans who chose Abu Bakr RA or did they had to submit to the will of their leader in this case? Was the Caliph bound to submit to the will of the majority of his parliament (The Shura) or did he have the ability to decide according to best of his judgement even if his decision would go against the advice of shura members?

If you call it democracy then please answer these questions.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 10th July 2019 10:41

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Please stick to the topic (I appreciate that I split the topics up - your question should really go on the linked thread - but leave it now)

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If you call it democracy then please answer these questions.

I don't call it a Democracy. However, you may want to read the full article and read the comments too :)

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