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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 11:13
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 11:54

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I have not read the book so don't know but respectfully disagree with the scientific knowledge.

Many of the discoveries of science are by accident and not by design. The research was on something else and something was discovered which could be used for something else.

Reading and research are part of our tradition in Islam and just because we have gone away from our tradition, we look at the Modern science and due to inferiority complex think that those doing reserach are superhuman or are inspired by Jinn etc.

Its all about oppurtunities and if we provide them to practising Muslims and back talent you will see results. In most Muslim countries, socities and culture talent is not backed...It isn't about you but who backs you.




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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 12:43

Dajjalic Machinations Part 1: Rain


Read this first.

  1. It is likely that Dajjal will not only possess scientific and technological skillset but will also be aided by Shaytaan, Jinn and the forces of evil. We have limited knowledge of this evil world (physically) and it is the not the domain of science.
  2. The opinions expressed in this thread are an opinion, you are encouraged to disagree.
  3. These are to the best of my understanding in August 2018, therefore a point in time opinion. 

Hadeeth:

There will be three hard years before the Dajjal (appears). During them, people will be stricken by a great famine. In the first year, Allah will command the sky to withhold a third of its rain, and the earth to withhold a third a third of its produce. In the second year, Allah will command the sky to withhold two thirds of its rain, and the earth to withhold two thirds of its produce. In the third year, Allah will command the sky to withhold all of its rain, and it will not rain a single drop of rain. He will command the earth to withhold all of its produce, and no plant will grow. All hoofed animals will perish, except that which Allah wills. [Ibn Khuzaymah]


Cloud Seeding (Rain):


Natural Rain:


The rain cycle is well understood. Water evaporates and then cools down in the clouds and the droplets get bigger. When it gets too heavy it drops back down to Earth. 




Artificial Rain:

You cannot create rainclouds or make it rain. All you can do is to make the water condense into ice particles (so they get heavy) and as they get heavier they fall back on Earth causing rain. The ingredient used is Silver Iodide and it is done in two ways:

  1. Fired from the ground using special cannons and the wind carries it to the clouds
  2. Sprayed on the clouds using aeroplanes


Here is a Canon in Tibet (China) for cloud-seeding:

Here is an aeroplane for cloud-seeding:

Problems with the technology:

The technology of cloud seeding is old and one of the first tests were conducted in 1948 and termed as Schaefer-Langmuir Cloud-Seeding  some problems have remained:

  1. You need clouds to seed, no rain clouds and there is nothing to make it rain
  2. Its expensive
  3. Seeding clouds is no gaurentee to make it rain on desired location. The wind may carry the clouds further and it may rain somewhere else!
  4. The conditions have to be perfect.

Dajjal:

We know that Dajjal will have access to Shaytaanic and Jinn forces so it is my speculation that it is possible for Jinns to move clouds as we know from the Qur’aan that Jinns are able to move objects:

[Solomon] said, "O assembly [of jinn], which of you will bring me her throne before they come to me in submission?" A powerful one from among the jinn said, "I will bring it to you before you rise from your place, and indeed, I am for this [task] strong and trustworthy." Said one who had knowledge from the Scripture, "I will bring it to you before your glance returns to you." And when [Solomon] saw it placed before him, he said, "This is from the favor of my Lord to test me whether I will be grateful or ungrateful. And whoever is grateful - his gratitude is only for [the benefit of] himself. And whoever is ungrateful - then indeed, my Lord is Free of need and Generous." [2&;38-40]

Money is no object.


Artificial Rain (Tibet Project):

The most ambitious project in the world is being conducted in Tibet (China) and the idea is to fire Silver iodide into the clouds which already have the moisture to make it rain in the Tibetan plateau.

www.popsci.com/china-cloud-seeding-silver-iodide-furnace

www.economist.com/china/2018/04/05/could-tibetan-clouds-s...

www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2138866/china-nee...



Cloud Seeding (Stopping Rain):

Again, the most public display was during the Beijing Olympics when China fired canons in the sky to make it rain (prematurely) and ensure that the Olympics were relatively rain free.

You can seed the clouds prematurely so by the time clouds get to another location they are moisture free because the rain has already fallen.

www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/how-beijing-used-roc...

The Israeli connection?


While China is spending millions on cloud-seeding and leading ambitious projects to combat water shortages in 2020, scientists in Israel are throwing cold water on the technology and saying it is not as effective as once thought:

www.israel21c.org/cloud-seeding-doesnt-bring-more-rain-sa...

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101101125949.htm

The 2010 Israeli study has effectively put a stop to the popularity of cloud seeding in the west even though the Wyoming Weather Modification Pilot and other studies in America have shown promise:

ral.ucar.edu/projects/wyoming/

www.wmo.int/pages/prog/arep/wwrp/new/documents/ANL.Breed_...

P.S: It is enitrely possible that the conditions for cloud-seeding are not suited in Isarel but they are in parts of Americ and China.

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 13:07
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So you have already made up your mind without even reading the book?
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 13:17
Every nation has it's secrets. And this idea is not strange that US and other kuffar are experimenting on advanced technology secretly and the world doesn't know about it. Before nuclear tests on Hiroshima and Nagasaki the world didn't know about Atomic Bombs, when it happened the world was shocked and recognized USA as a super power. Similarly, it is not unlikely that Dajjal will be using technology which would be 100s or thousands of years advanced than the current known technology of that time. This is how he will be able to convince the people that this is his godly powers.

USA has used weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan which were mostly unknown before this war started like "Daisy Cutter". Dajjal will definitely use the element of surprise to impress the people and for that to happen he must show a new kind of technology never seen or heard by mankind.
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 13:20
What has happened in Iraq and Afghanistan and what is currently happening is just a trailer. In Dajjal's time everything will be of a very huge magnitude. As Dr. Sahab Rh rightly says that coming events cast their shadows before.
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 13:33
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i think we need to list the attributes that dajjal will possess, the feats that he will carry out, and the claims that he will make. then try to come to some sort of rationalisation as to how he will be able to carry them out, i.e natural means or supernatural means. whilst doing this we need to take into consideration that he is the greatest of all deceivers and that he will eventually try to portray himself and convince mankind (and jinnkind too?) that he is a saviour of mankind and divine, and that he may use his attributes/feats/claims etc to convince us of this.

example:
feat: he will make it rain.
possible methods: jinn or cloud seeding
false divine attribution: jinns - we cannot see them so it may seem divine / cloud seeding: superior technology that may seem divine.
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 13:48
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A lot of people lacking authentic deeni ilm whether literate or illiterate are being fooled by fake peers who can show supernatural feats like flying in the air or summoning moakals. They are small dajjals

Multiply their supernatural feats thousand times.

A lot of people who lack authentic deeni ilm are falling for the traps of atheists and philosophers. Multiply the depth and deception of that logic with thousands of time.

The majority will not be able to see through the lens of Quran and Sunnah and will easily be trapped by his fitnah.
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 14:34

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That is the whole point of making people understand something, when you understand something you are not easily impressed by it.

When you show card tricks to people and they don’t understand it they are mightily impressed and they think that you have some magical powers but when you understand it you are not in a shock.

Dajjal may make it rain and its impressive and awesome for people. When you actually break it down that all it is making the water freeze (so it gets heavier) and falls back down, all of a sudden it is not as impressive.

You are right that the technology being discussed is old and it is likely that newer technology will be used by Dajjal BUT when people understand how something works clearly they WILL NOT be impressed and that is the point.

Educate people on how some of these things may happen instead of shying away from the topic. 


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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 15:00
I can be wrong but my gut feeling is leading me to a different conclusion.

I think, it's a waste of time in finding logical explanations of how he will perform his tricks. I think it is a trick of Shaitan to make us waste our time in investigating the things which we don't and can't fully understand or are in the position of comprehending completely because of lack of resources. And even after successful interpretation , will give us no substantial benefit in fighting or avoiding his fitnah.

because

1. We don't have the complete information that what is being done behind closed doors.

2. Our sight, hearing, analysis can all be deceived in one way or the other.

3. The main thing is not how he will perform his tricks but the main thing is that how we can prevent from his fitnah and that is the thing which needs our focus.

4. All we need is eman and stubbornness (or firmness and determination) for not believing our senses in place of wahi. Wahi is superior to all. When Allah and his Messenger SAWS have said that this will happen, then it will happen no matter what is the method of implementation.

5. The question is that do we need to be scientists or do we need to know his implementation methods in order to protect ourselves from him?

6. So it is enough for at least me to know that he will order the sky to rain and it will rain. However, I am not going to believe him even if rain falls after his order because Allah can't be seen in this world. He is not in human form. He is not blind in one eye. He is not limited. He doesn't need to come to this world. If He had to come to this world then why was He hiding before this time. Kaa Faa Raw is not written on his forehead. In fact, we can't and are not allowed to imagine his appearance. So Dajjal is not Allah. Nothing is like Allah and Allah is nothing like anything. Allah is Allah and Makhlooq is Makhlooq. Allah is unlimited where as Makhlooq is limited.

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It's not about nitty gritty details but the essence. It's not about how but is about what.

The real purpose of the ayaat is to make us realize that only Allah is to be worshiped whether we have a primitive approach towards science and philosophy or we are advanced. The meaning of the ayaat are multi layered and can be interpreted by people of different ages in different ways. How can be different but the what is always the same. The purpose of the ayaat is always the same no matter how you interpret the "hows" of these ayaats.

The miraculous nature of the Quran is that it can be interpreted in many different ways within the constraints of classical language regarding the natural phenomenon but still reveal and indicate the same truth.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTi9f_JqTUo&t=1813s
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 15:05

Dajjalic Machinations Part 2: Size, Strength and Endurance

Read this first.

  1. It is likely that Dajjal will not only possess scientific and technological skillset but will also be aided by Shaytaan, Jinn and the forces of evil. We have limited knowledge of this evil world (physically) and it is the not the domain of science.
  2. The opinions expressed in this thread are an opinion, you are encouraged to disagree.
  3. These are to the best of my understanding in August 2018, therefore a point in time opinion.

Background:

I would like to suggest that this applies to Dajjal and its army and this is a relatively easy topic to discuss


Size:

Some people are naturally bigger.  However, in our times diets/drugs/techniques are widely and readily available to make you bigger. Actors generally transform in a relatively short of amount and get huge in 6-9 months with professional assistance.

For general laymen, Anabolic steroids are easily and readily available.

My point is that it is not difficult to get huge in relatively modest time scales and since Dajjal will have access to great scientific/technical research and financial resources this will not be a problem for him or his army (both men and women) to be physically huge.

Strength/Augmented Strength:

There are two aspects to strength:

  1. Increasing and maximising your potential human strength
  2. Extending your naturally existing human strength by using exoskeletons

Part 1 of this post deal with 1 but pioneering research into exoskeletons shows that human strength can be easily augmented and extended by using exoskeletons. The civilian products already available are cutting edge


The military research into this area is obviously classified but we already know that they are working on powered exoskeletons which will extend the strength factor even further.

Again, Dajjal will have no problems with access to cutting edge exoskeletons and associated augmented and enhanced strength, for himself or his army.


No Fear!

Some people are naturally fearless and brave. However, humans can be easily drugged to make them oblivious to their fears. Synthetic drugs (Monkey dust etc) are easily available to make people feel invincible and to make them jump off roofs etc.

Again, Dajjal will have no problems with access to drugs to make fear disappear, for himself or his army.

I have seen plenty of drugged up people do all sorts of things which sober people will not so this is entirely possible. The question should now ask is drugged people are not in control of their faculties so how do you drug people but also make them fully cognizant? Read on to the next section...


Alertness/Endurance:


There is no point in being big, super strong, powerful and fearless but if you don't have the endurance and alertness to withstand the rigours of life.

This is achieved by amphetamines.




The use of amphetamines in US Air force is already prevalent and well known.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7661838

The Air force openly admits and justifies the use of amphetamines.

www.nbcnews.com/id/3071789/ns/us_news-only/t/go-pills-war...

Again, Dajjal will have no problems with access to drugs to enhance alertness and endurance, for himself or his army, this is easy to understand.

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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 15:07

Dajjalic Machinations Part 2: Szie, Strength and Endurance


Read this first.

  1. It is likely that Dajjal will not only possess scaientific and technological skillset but will also be aided by Shaytaan, Jinn and the forces of evil. We have limited knowledge of this evil world (physically) and it is the not the domain of science.
  2. The opinions expressed in this thread are an opinion, you are encouraged to disagree.
  3. These are to the best of my understanding in August 2018, therefore a point in time opinion.  

Background:

I would like to suggest that this applies to Dajjal and its army and this is a relatively easy topic to discuss

Size

Some people are naturally bigger.  However, in our times diets/drugs/techniques are widely and readily available to make you bigger. Actors generally transform in a relatively short of amount and get huge in 6-9 months with professional assistance.

For general laymen, Anabolic steroids are easily and readily available.

My point is that it is not difficult to get huge in relatively modest time scales and since Dajjal will have access to great scientific/technical research and financial resources this will not be a problem for him or his army (both men and women) to be physically huge.

Strength/Augmented Strength:

There are two aspects to strength:

  1. Increasing and maximising your potential human strength
  2. Extending your naturally existing human strength by using exoskeletons

Part 1 of this post deal with 1 but pioneering research into exoskeletons shows that human strength can be easily augmented and extended by using exoskeletons. The civilian products already available are cutting edge

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44628872

The military research into this area is obviouslyclassified but we already know that they are working on powered exoskeletonswhich will extend the strength factor even further.


Again, Dajjal will have no problems with access tocutting edge exoskeletons and associated augmented and enhanced strength, forhimself or his army.

No Fear!

Some people are naturally fearless and brave. However, humans can be easily drugged to make them oblivious to their fears. Synthetic drugs (Monkey dust etc) are easily available to make people feel invincible and to make them jump off roofs etc.

Again, Dajjal will have no problems with access to drugs to make fear disappear, for himself or his army.

I have seen plenty of drugged up people do all sorts of things which sober people will not so this is entirely possible. The question should now ask is drugged people are not in control of their faculties so how do you drug people but also make them fully cognizant? Read on to the next section...

Alertness/Endurance:

There is no point in being big, super strong, powerful and fearless but if you don't have the endurance and alertness to withstand the rigours of life.

This is achieved by amphetamines.

The use of amphetamines in US Air force is already prevalent and well known.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7661838

The Air force openly admits and justifies the use of amphetamines.

www.nbcnews.com/id/3071789/ns/us_news-only/t/go-pills-war...

Again, Dajjal will have no problems with access to drugs to enhance alertness and endurance, for himself or his army, this is easy to understand.

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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 15:19
I am an ancient person and have time traveled to this age. So maybe, my primitive approach is not that attractive. However, everyone's temperament is different.

There is another source of knowing the truth which is far superior and advanced than science and philosophy.

Call it ilham or ilqa or anything else. When Allah wills someone to know something then He instills the knowledge required. He doesn't need any means. He is the creator of means. Ask from Him and He will grant you what you ask for.

Wherefore this succession of day and night?
And what are the sun and the starry heavens?

Am I in my land or in banishment?
The vastness of this desert fills me with fright.

I know not the enigma of this life of mine;
I know not where to find one who knows.

Avicenna wonders where he came from;
And Rumi wonders where he should go.

With every wayfarer I pace a little;
I know not yet who my leader is.

Philosophy and Religion by Allama Iqbal

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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 15:25
There was a man of calculation without faith and there was a saint who didn't know much science. The man of calculation sold his soul and country to the devil. The saint stood to his principles not worrying about the consequences.

Guess! What happened in the end?

The man of calculation got kicked out by his own countrymen and the simple saint triumphed in all the trials. The saint is now Insha Allah in the heavens.

Therefore, too many calculations can harm a person.
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2018 15:30
The biggest evidence that Islam is the only true way of life is that as much as you practice this deen, you find an inner peace because you are as close as you try to your true nature. And as far as you go against this deen, you feel unrest.

Any other evidence can be refuted but this evidence is irrefutable.

Islam is not an academic exercise, it's a practical way of life. It's an experience which one has to go through if one needs to understand. Speeches, bayans, articles, books can only give some hint. But the real thing is understood when you practice it.

People are finding peace, if you can show them the way through amal then there will be no need left for scientific and logical explanations.
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