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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2015 09:43
I was reading up on praying behind certain Imams (groups) as I move around a lot, especially whne it come to Jummah. On Jummah, I offer my Salah at the nearest mosque to where I am. however Alhumdulillah 98% of the time its somewhere familiar.

But recently I came across certain Fatwa which kind of stated that we could pray behind Barelwi Imams and certain Fatwa which said we should be very cautious and find out the aqeedah of the Imam.

I'm not looking for rulings as such as I have plenty of those, but I was intrigued by one post I came across by chance on ummah.com which really gave a totally different opinion and one that is hard to believe coming from whom it did.

What do you make of it?

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From Sheikh Al-Albaani:

Any Imaam who leads the Muslims [in prayer], in any place, whether in a mosque or a musalla, or a house, or any other place, as long as the Muslims praying behind him hold that that Imaam is a Muslim, then their prayer behind him is correct–whatever their opinion about him is, whether in relation to aqidah or in terms of manners and actions.

So as long as his violation in aqidah or manners does not lead them to believe that he has disbelieved and left the fold of Islaam, then their prayer behind him is correct, due to his saying عليه الصلاة والسلام about the Imaams who lead you in prayer, “If they lead the prayer correctly then they and you will receive the rewards, but if they make a mistake, then you will receive the reward for the prayer and the sin will be theirs.” This hadith is in Sahih Bukhari, what does it say? “If they lead the prayer correctly then they and you will receive the rewards, but if they make a mistake, then you will receive the reward for the prayer and the sin will be theirs.” [Bukhaari, no. 694].

But in addition to this, if those who are being led in prayer are discontent with their Imaam in something related to aqidah or manners, then I advise that they try to replace him with someone else, someone better than him, if that is within their ability, and if it isn’t, then Allaah does not burden any soul with more than it can bear.

So it is either within your control or power to distance this Imaam of yours from being the Imaam and to bring someone better than him … this is something obligatory on you, or if the other case is true [i.e., it is not within your power], then your prayer behind him is correct as I told you before.

And through this legislated ruling it is possible for the Muslims to come together despite their differences and for them not to cut off or turn away from each other.

I'm not sure if this quote is authentic, maybe someone has come across it before.

What do you reckon?

EDIT: I just found the identical quote, however this thread is about the approach and not the ruling
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2015 09:45
How would you approach an Imam and what would you ask him without causing fitnah or harm for anyone and to maintain a healthy, spiritual Islamic relationship?

^^^Hopefully this will be the purpose of the thread. JazakAllah.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2015 10:46
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You don't!

Suspicion, prying, investigation, presumption are all HARAM. If something comes in front of your eyes without trying than you move out.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2015 10:54
Jazakallah. If the question is not put out there in such a way, people tend to go searching for Fatawa and end up causing more harm than they should. Presenting the question differently and then getting a direct response puts ease in the difficulties.

I hope those reading this will get a better understanding.

The best thing to do is take the advise as given in the OP and then learn about some of the deviated beliefs and if you see it, you know what you should do and if you don't see it leave it as it is and continue to offer your Salah. And Allah knows Best.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2015 11:51
I read somewhere on SF that Shafi'is have no problem praying behind a Muslim with corrupt aqeedah. Proof being that Hadhrat Abdullah bin Umar radhiyallahu anhu would pray behind Khawarij. But for Hanafis, salah might be deficient?

www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?60025-Is-it-okay-...

Still, I've never prayed in a Barelvi masjid anyways. I try not to pray behind Salafis but if I have to, I will.
In jamat, I pray behind anyone.

With regards to approaching the Imam, I wouldn't do that. Who am I to approach the person appointed as Imam and try to correct him? It's the type of thing a Salafi would do. They're always going up to someone in the masjid and trying to do their islah...

Also, now that Ramadan is coming up, one thing to keep in mind is the type of Hafiz leading taraweeh. If I know he's a chakri, :( ... I feel weird praying behind him.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2015 13:45
salaam

it goes without saying that it is not allowed to pray behind a non-muslim. the only argument there is who is classed as a non-muslim.

obviously christians, jews, hindus, etc are not muslim, so it is not allowed to pray behind them. most muslims unanimously agree that qadiyyanis are not muslim. so the ruling there would be it is not allowed to pray behind qadiyyanis. but what about the grey areas?

what about extremem sufis and shia? some ulama will outright classify extreme sufis and shia as non-muslim. so does that mean we do not pray behind all sufis and shia? or do we have to determine if that sufi or shia is extreme in his beliefs or not? what if we later find out that they are extreme in their views. do we have to repeat the salah? in this case would it be better to make enquiries or just not pray behind such people as a precaution?

i have heard a story in tabligh jamaat that an imam of many years left and proclaimed that he was a jew all this time and that everyone would have to repeat all their salaah that they prayed behind this imam. not sure how true this is, but what would one have to do in this situation?

what if the imam (such as some barelwis/madkhalees) considers YOU a non-muslim. in this case according to the hadith only one is a muslim. what then?
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2015 14:00

السلام عليكم

Darul uloom Deoband also passed a Fatwa saying salah behind a Mamati is Makrooh..
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2015 14:07
Salah Behind a Barelwi Imam - AskImam Fatwa.


Title: Is the Salah valid behind a Barelwi Imam?


Question

Is Namaz behimd a Barelwi Imam allowed? If not do we have to make up all the qadha's?

I hav a question that i need calarifying. Can we pray namaz behind a barelvi imam who has strong beliefs regarding ilm e gayb/hazir nazir/noori bashr/mukhtar e qul and does other biddaats etc?

What is the ruling for some one who has been praying majority of his namaz's behind such a barelvi imam (not knowing namaz behind a imam with such beliefs is not permissible?) Will he have to repeat all his namaz's again or are they accepted? Plz advise...Jzk

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In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

As-salāmu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullāhi wa-barakātuh.


Salāh is a fundamental part of Islām and forms the cornerstone of our basic practices as a Muslim. We should therefore exercise extreme precaution in our Salāh and behind whom we perform our Salāh.

According to the explanation given in your query regarding the Imām in reference, it appears the Imām is an extreme Bid’atī (Gāli).[1] While it is Makrūh to perform Salāh behind any Bid’atī, it is even more reprehensible to perform Salāh behind a Bid’atī with extreme views, as there is fear some views may lead to Kufr.[2] We therefore advise you not to perform Salāh behind such an Imām.

And Allah Ta’āla Knows Best

Abdul Mannan Nizami

Student Darul Iftaa
Chicago, IL, USA

Checked and Approved by,

(Hazrat) Mufti Ebrahim Desai (db).
www.daruliftaa.net


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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2015 14:14
Salah Behind Salafi - Ask Imam



Question

iam a hanfi can we pray namaz behind the imam who is other maslak(ex:salfi,shia)..At that time can we say"tabae imam ke"that we usually say.. r our namaz is qhabool..If not should we have to pray namaz again..


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In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatuh


If by maslak (path)you mean salafi and shias, then hereunder is out response.


Salah Behind a Salafi

Salafis are considered to be from the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah inspite of some of our differences with them on interpretations of some issues of Aqaaid. Salah behind a Salafi will be valid, However, if a Salafi does not wash his feet in wuzu and suffices on wiping (masah) on general nylon and cotton socks the his wuzu is invalid. It is not permissible to perform salah behind such a person.


Salah Behind a Shia

There are many groups among Shias. The validity of salah behind a shia depends on the Aqaaid (beliefs) of that Shia. The attached article on Shiaism explains our differences with the mainstream Jafari Shias. Salah behind this group of Shias is not valid. (Please see : www.al-inaam.com/fataawa/shia_kafir.htm )

And Allah knows best

Wassalam

(Hazrat) Mufti Ebrahim Desai (db)
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah


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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2015 14:43
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Knowing these issues about the Shia (since Salafi etc are not included), would you then go to a Shia Masjid knowingly if it is literally next door to you or would you travel to another Masjid much further away.

Okay, forget the Shia perspective - No one would pray behind them knowingly. Unfortunately for me, I've prayed behind a Shia and a late clown of Qadyan unknowingly. Well I had to repeat my Salah, I was so gutted when I did Jummah behind Mirza Tahir Ahmad. It was sad to see him but not so sad on his departure

So, would you pray in a Goshia Masjid - AKA - Barelwi Masjid? Not knowing the full Aqeedah of the Imam rather have the assumption that he doesn't hold such kufr and shirk beliefs

When I would be visiting the North of England, I would see Masjids all over the place next to each other and people would comment that they wouldn't go to the Goshia Masjids even if they lived next door.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2015 15:02
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Knowing these issues about the Shia (since Salafi etc are not included), would you then go to a Shia Masjid knowingly if it is literary next door to you or would you travel to another Masjid much further away


I would Never pray behind a shia as most of them are deemed as kuffar..

Neither do i pray behind a Barelwi.. The shawafi are rather strict on Tajweed of Surah Fatiha as well.. if the imam recites Majhool, then salah is not proper.. nor is it valid behind a Hadith rejector.. or a Qadiyani or Ibadhi (Khawarij from Oman)(Beware of these, they resemble Malikis)

1. Deoband Fatwa on Ibadhis.

2. Salafi Fatwa on Ibadhis.







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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2015 15:21
jazakallahu khayran dr76 saheb

wanted to ask, what do jamats do when they go to villages in indo-pak subcontinent where the imams are hardcore bidatis?

In the West, I think the most common problem is praying behind ghayr-muqallids (JI's and Salafis)...happens if you frequent small musallahs or miss salah with jamat and then pray behind a random brother at the back...most of these brothers have their pants below the ankles and heads bare, sometimes clean-shaven, youth wear very tight and revealing clothing (sometimes the rear satr is revealed when they go in sujood), tajwid will be lacking, etc. these are obvious, then if you're going to be suspicious...wrong aqeedah, masah on socks, eating haram machine-slaughtered meat...

but there's an easy solution for this. adopt outer sunnah like long beard and topi, learn tajwid and important surahs and walk in confidently, people will push you forward to be the Imam.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2015 15:39
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Neither do i pray behind a Barelwi[/quote]
That would make sense if the rules of Shafi fiqh state otherwise.

[quote="kanzoorbhai"]but there's an easy solution for this. adopt outer sunnah like long beard and topi, learn tajwid and important surahs and walk in confidently, people will push you forward to be the Imam.



I've prayed behind a Shafi' Barelwi Syed a couple of times. What was funny was one day he pushed me forward to lead the Salah and I declined as there were others who would've hated me for the rest of my life... That was really funny. This Shafi' Barelwi Syed is from Baroda in India AKA - Peer Saab :( His reason for asking me to lead was the Thawb, Beard etc.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 17th April 2015 03:19
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Hardcore Bidatis here don't allow jamaat to stay in their masjid. So the question of praying behind such imam while in jamaat is rare.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 17th April 2015 07:21
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Makrooh, here, means makrooh tehrimi.............. waajibul i'aada.
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