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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 09:26
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"A man travelling with Quran in his pocket is Ajeeb." More than the girl I see his struggle on Eeman and Islam.
Good lesson.
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 09:36
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 10:24

IF you have to deal with a woman and she is affecting you then:

  1. Avoid her smell at all costs.
  2. Start to treat her like a MAN in life, in email, on forums, in text, in WhatsApp. Bring up men's topics in conversation (IF you have to deal with a woman)
  3. And tell her that you think of her as just another man.

Firstly, you will be surprised how quickly her temptation disappears. Secondly and most importantly, women hate (actually abhor) this and even if they have a crush on you this will really hurt and depress them when you say that you don't even think of her as a woman!

Even the most unfeminine of the women (your female platoon commander) will really take this to her heart and get depressed!

You just have no idea how effective it is  to tell a woman who has a crush on you or loves you to just respond, "Well, I just think of you as another (guy) friend, no different to Khalid or Abdullah (someone she knows is your friend)."

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 10:38
Excellent advise
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 10:47

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You can sit with the most beautiful drunk woman and when she makes a move just say, " Well Sarah, I have never thought of you that way. Always thought of you like John or Kevin, no different...I am Sorry that you feel so strongly about me but it’s not possible for me to think of you other then like Bob. I have known you for so long, it's just not possible.”

Watch drunk Sarah cry her eyes out all night

Treat a Muslim woman like a man and see how easily she gets seriously depressed! Any Aisha, Khadija who has a crush on you (treat her like a lad) and keep mentioning it...

Sister, you are like one of the lads, you are not a woman, I don't even think of you as a woman (keep saying it again and again and again)...She will never pluck up the courage to even ask you...If she hints (in person) or email or text or WhatsApp simply join in the laughing and dismiss it as humour (like its a guy's thing) and hurt her femininity

This is the IF scenario, doesn't mean a person should try it out to test the theory.

This is extremely rude, discourteous, brutal treatment but STOPS Shaytaan dead in his tracks.

When a woman has a crush on you, she is at least looking for sympathy and you are not even giving her that; you are actually mocking her femininity (which is the real basis for her getting attracted towards you in the first place).

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 11:03
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 11:03
Very informative, MashaAllah
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 13:22
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I'm not so sure that mocking a person (male or female, young or old) and making them cry in such a way - when they don't understand the hikmah in it - is at all helpful.

To each their own method but I really would advise against being hurtful by telling the person they're like a man (or in the case of a man, telling him he is like a woman) to protect ourselves.

For the brothers: how would it feel to be on the receiving end to hear how feminine/woman like you are and how you're like any one of the girl's BFFs? Wouldn't you start doubting yourselves if you didn't understand why the girl was saying such things, and you were weak in imaan; or, perhaps try to imagine how it is for a non-Muslim. It could be worse for some women who might then feel the need to work extra hard to prove their femininity (to themselves and perhaps even to you, may Allah Ta'aala protect ameen). What about those who might actually have a problem with such things and it pushes them into deep a dark depression and they start avoiding people altogether or commit suicide - may Allah Ta'aala protect us, ameen. Or, how about those who then decide (like the little girl who kept hearing how it would have been better had she been born a boy and eventually going operations to make it so... only to end up hating herself even more and committing suicide).

If we find ourselves in an unavoidable situation, then be stern, to the point and very clear that you fear Allah Ta'aala, you don't appreciate the advances (no apologies) and wish never to speak with them again.

I like the idea of re-directing eyes, thoughts, concentration/attention, to Qur'an masha'Allah. If you don't have Qur'an, close your eyes and start doing dhikr insha'Allah.

La hawla wala quwwata illa billah.
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 13:33
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Treat a Muslim woman like a man and see how easily she gets seriously depressed!


Or you can treat her like a Muslim woman and lose contact for the sake of her Imaan? If the male can treat the woman like a man then he's already in control of his desires in which case the purpose of treating her like a man doesn't apply in the first place. I too think that deliberately depressing and hurting someone surely can't be a good solution.

@Muadh - I can see where you're coming from but it comes across quite harsh
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 13:39

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Respected Sister,

A true and sincere Muslim obeys Allah (SWT) and the noble Sunnah of Sayyidina Rasul-ullah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam). He/She is sincere to the believers and looks after them like he/she wants to be looked after.

You may find my opinions at odds with most of the forum members/Sufees/Deobandees on this issue and I would be most appreciative if you can correct me.

First and foremost, I see nothing wrong with a brother or sister proposing to each other (for Nikah) for 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th wife if they meet in the Masjid, college, university, work or even on a forum. If someone finds someone whom they believe will be conducive to their Islamic growth then let them propose it (according to Sunnah), get the Wali involved and take them into their Nikah (properly).

The other person has the right to accept the proposal or decline it and both parties should move on from there. If its disagreed, it’s not the end of the world.  

The problem occurs with crushes, infatuation and emotional attachment and this is actually a SICKNESS which needs to be cured. The nicer you act the longer and deeper of a spiritual problem you will actually cause!

Mature people come across someone, make Mushwara, do Istikhara, propose and accept their destiny.

Those with a problem destroy their spirituality and there is no way to deal with a person with a crush or infatuation but with a scalpel and excise the darkness of (poison of Shaytaan) and then let them recover. The alternative is actually damaging which is “Sorry Sister, I don’t want to marry you but lets keep emailing, texting, chatting until you get over it and I am here for you (if need me) etc.”

I apologise but experience (of hundreds) has taught me that the this is not the right approach or answer. On occasions you have to be cruel to save the Eeman of the person!

Jazakallahu Khayrun

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Maulana, its not harsh.

Its disrespectful, discourteous and BRUTAL!

Its easier for her for hate me (to get over me) and save her Aakhira.

If a Muslim woman thinks that a man is the most ego-centric, insensitive, discourteous, sexist, masochistic, racist, monster and her anger snaps her out of her delusion then the plan has worked!

But this is to snap people out of their delusions and put them back into reality. For most people “No” is sufficient.

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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 13:52
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Its easier for her for hate me (to get over me) and save her Aakhira.


But why hate for her sake (Aakhirah) when keeping contact was the male's own fault? Isn't that punishing someone for ones own errors (of keeping contact with a non-Mahram)? So my phrase "Harsh" was in terms of how she is treated because of ones own error. I looked at cause from root and not just the ending affection from the female. That was my angle.
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 13:56

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Maulana,

In a lot of cases the contact is not the male's fault; he didn’t initiate contact, didn’t maintain it, had nothing to do with it and the crush or infatuation is entirely one-sided.

But let’s say that the male did make a mistake, now what? What do you want him to do, nurse the Sister back to her spiritual health have more conversations, emails and texts why he can’t marry her?

The point is for her to get over him (somehow, anyhow).

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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 14:57
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...The problem occurs with crushes, infatuation and emotional attachment and this is actually a SICKNESS which needs to be cured. The nicer you act the longer and deeper of a spiritual problem you will actually cause! [/quote]

Precisely why there should be no niceties between the two. It should never have started and if it has, then it needs to be crushed in an honest manner. And, if honesty dictates that the man 'honestly' thinks of all non-mehram women as men and this then is his justification for continuing to be nice to the 'lad' then the man has some serious problems too. It isn't honest, it isn't fair.

[quote]...Those with a problem destroy their spirituality and there is no way to deal with a person with a crush or infatuation but with a scalpel and excise the darkness of (poison of Shaytaan) and then let them recover. The alternative is actually damaging which is "Sorry Sister, I don't want to marry you but lets keep emailing, texting, chatting until you get over it and I am here for you (if need me) etc."...


I specifically said '(no apologies)' because none is needed in such a scenario. Blunt, to the point, and in as few words as possible but with honesty the message is uttered and then it is up to the man to maintain his distance if the woman is so enamored by him. If a person is obsessed to that extent, they will not even accept the argument that they are one of the lads.

Okay, so I'm not into debates and will leave this... unto each their own way but I fail to see the hikmah in this approach and see it as highly problematic, and the more I think about it the weirder it gets so best for me to bow out before it takes even nastier twists and turns.

May Allah Ta'aala grant us understanding and protection. Ameen.
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 15:11
This thread is titled 'temptation of women' which gives the impression....men being tempted by women....or something similar, BUT all I've been reading is how women should be treated and how they should be removed from being infatuated by a man.

When it's the man who has taken the initial step and created the scenario.

In my opinion it takes two consenting people to be in such a situation in the first place, secondly it's mostly men that make the first move and very rarely vice versa.
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 10th October 2013 15:13
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In my opinion it takes two consenting people to be in such a situation in the first place, secondly it's mostly men that make the first move and very rarely vice versa.


True, but very rarely is one too many.

Also, lets not forget the third person in that conversation/relationship!
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