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How to answer someone who gives you a consensus from the salaf?

Last updated: 1st May 2024
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Salam. I have read earlier answers about Shaykh Nuh Kellers book which contains fiqh solution to qibla in North America but a riend of mine is saying that our prayers are not according to the consensus of Abu Hanifa in "Tabyin al Haqaiq" because he says quote "the people of the west face east and people of the north face south". He said since we are in the north west we should face south east according to abu hanifas rule. A friend told him the scholars didn't know the earth was a globe at the time which another brother disagreed with and then it got into a longer discussion. How can we answer the three points stated by our south east facing brother: 1. The consensus is mentioned by Abu Hanifa. We are in the north west so face south east. 2. The consensus of an era is evidence for a following era ( Imam Haramyn in Waraqat). 3. Nawawi said in Rawd Talibin' It is not valid to make ijtihad except by qibla references. the weakeast is wind and the strongest is the polaris. He is saying the north east qibla wasnt determined using these methods. Can you please help us answer the brother because our friend group is now praying in both directions and saying both are right? According to some of your other posts, general direction is fine since we cant see the Kaaba. So do we follow consensus of abu hanifa or consensus of muslims now and say imam haramayn made a mistake?

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

الجواب حامدا ومصليا

The correct Qiblah for North America is Northeast and not South East. So it is not permissible to pray towards south east.

We concur with the Fatwa mentioned here: askimam.org/public/question_detail/2093

And Allah knows best

14 Dhul Hijja 1445/ 21 June 2024

Answer last updated on:
21st June 2024
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