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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 12:29
Sorry the controversial Ssaad here again; but it may be useful for this forum.

In one post one member was describing the debate on that thread as Oxford level. Good.. let us appreciate that. Powerful English is being used by members with a purpose.

As per inputs I have about Muslim brothers in London, my view is that majority will not understand that powerful English. So is the other part of the world.

I don't know about the level of English knowledge, visitors on this forum posses.

So my argument is that, this forum is a place where all sections of Muslim society visit. My request to respected members is that; to convey our knowledge to an ordinary member, we have to come down to their level. If powerful English language has to be used (not understood by common Muslim), then PM or email or whatsapp message among individual members is a better platform.

Or in the past, when Hakeemul Ummat was told about his powerful Urdu he used in Dars and Bayans, he replied, "let the common muslim increase their level, we will not come down". Recently Molana Saad sab had a similar reply.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 12:36
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My example is Nabi Muhammad (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) and no one else and he communicated in a way that people understood.

If you want to oppose the Sunnah, go ahead and let it be on your head.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 13:30
The English is not of Oxford level.

I know what posts Ssaad is talking about. It has nothing to do with the English language, rather it is about details, understanding and coming across with accuracy.

That's all.

In my posts, I will never use difficult words, they are always everyday words, why? Because we don't use such language in our daily lives.

All my posts have always been simple English.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 14:14
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So my argument is that, this forum is a place where all sections of Muslim society visit. My request to respected members is that; to convey our knowledge to an ordinary member, we have to come down to their level. If powerful English language has to be used (not understood by common Muslim), then PM or email or whatsapp message among individual members is a better platform.

We should practice what we preach.

Your posts are the most confusing, riddled, coded, conflicting, chaotic, misplaced, random, and non English posts I've come across on this forum.

I'm sorry if that doesn't come across as polite, but I think 99% of the members will agree with me.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 14:16
I've heard some debates between Muslim and Atheists. When the Muslim was speaking, every word chosen of complex. Sometimes it's needed but this was sentence after sentence and I found it unbearable to listen to.

Some probably do this deliberately to be taken more seriously by the audience but I also find simple sentences with complex words used only when required to be the most efficient way of getting any message across.

In saying that, there should also be standards.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 14:35
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I concur with thee yond we shouldst speaketh plainly whenev'r possible
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 14:45
Maulana Umar Sahib Palanpuri RA used to deliver bayans (sermons) in tablighi majalis (gatherings). The audience had a few times reached a million in ijtemas (congregation). He delivered bayan almost 365 days in the year; 2 to 2.5 hours duration.

In bangle wali masjid (a mosque in new Delhi), it was a regular practice that whenever he was preparing a bayan on a new topic, he delivered that bayan after Fajr. After the bayan, randomly he picked a few brothers from the audience. Then he called them near to him (in the Majlis itself) and ask each one of them, what did they understand in the bayan. After getting the feedback from the audience, he used to say "Alhamdulillah, my effort is giving positive results. And also there are few areas where I have to improve".

When the bayan was well understood by the audience then only he used to deliver that bayan in large majalis in ijtemas.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 15:01
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Put on a Victorian hat and do an overdramatic YouTube video in this English and inunsicate. You're subscriber count might triple. Or maybe go down by half. English class nightmares. He's something ironic, my English teacher was Scottish.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 15:04
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Lol was that cockney mixed with ye olde English.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 15:45
I confess that it was my terrible mistake that I started the discussion on this topic.

Wallah... I admit my mistake.

I seek pardon.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 16:21
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Please don't feel bad. They're just having some fun English style, and we all know the English have a peculiar sense of humor.

Innit, boys?
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 16:23
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I take it you don't approve of Hazrat Thanavi's (RH) reply.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 16:25
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Inunsicate?
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 17:25
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Wrong!

Hazrat Thanwi (RA) wrote Bahishtwi Zewar which has common Urdu and easy to understand. He wrote Tassawuff books which are highly specialised. He wrote Fatawa which are in between. In other words Hazrat Thanwi (RA) spoke according to the level of people which is exactly in line with Sunnah.

I do not have time or inclination to know or learn what Maulana Saad (HA) has to say about anything!

This brother continuously makes points, refuses to understand other people and then apologises.

The point isn't language or words but to write in a way to make people understand what is being said.

Read everything above and then below, same words...formatted differently.

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Wrong! Hazrat Thanwi (RA) wrote Bahishtwi Zewar which has common Urdu and easy to understand. He wrote Tassawuff books which are highly specialised. He wrote Fatawa which are in between. In other words Hazrat Thanwi (RA) spoke according to the level of people which is exactly in line with Sunnah. I do not have time or inclination to know or learn what Maulana Saad (HA) has to say about anything! This brother continuously makes points, refuses to understand other people and then apologises. The point isn't language or words but to write in a way to make people understand what is being said. Read everything above and then below, same words...formatted differently.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2020 18:02
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Perks of typing from mobile. Confuse everyone. And yes, my phone gives words that don't exist.

enunciate, it's something posh English people emphasise a lot.
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