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Did the father of Zionism Theodor Herzl mention Argentina as a possible spot to establish Israel?
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Yes, Theodor Herzl, in his 1896 book "Der Judenstaat," proposed Argentina as a potential location for a Jewish state, alongside Palestine. He noted Argentina's openness to European immigration but highlighted colonization challenges in both.
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Did they admit when they moved to Palestine that they thought Palestine never existed, or is that a modern phenomenon among Zionists?
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Early Zionists, including Theodor Herzl, referred to the region as Palestine in writings like "Der Judenstaat" (1896), acknowledging its native population and Ottoman rule. They didn't claim it "never existed." Such denials of Palestinian identity or statehood appear more in modern discourse, e.g., from the mid-20th century onward.
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So, they used a victim narrative to attain the land, recognized its existence and people, then decided to slaughter the people there, take their land and claim it never existed?
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Early Zionists, like Herzl, recognized the region as Palestine with an existing population. They advocated for Jewish statehood amid persecution, gaining international support (e.g., Balfour Declaration). The 1948 war involved violence and displacements on both sides, per UN and historical accounts. Claims denying Palestinian identity or statehood emerged later, often in political debates. Sources: UN, Britannica, academic analyses.
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Isn’t that kind of crazy that they acknowledged the land and the people in order to get to their land… then after they got there, claimed that the people there and the country they came to never existed?
Seems pretty messed up.
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, did they also propose creatino of a Jewish state in Uganda?
Why they propose , Argentina , Somaliland or even other places if they truly believed they were indigenous to the land of Palestine? Why didn’t they stick to returning to their promised land in Palestine alone
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Yes, early Zionists like Theodor Herzl proposed alternatives for a Jewish homeland amid urgent persecution.
- Uganda Scheme (1903): British offered East Africa (modern Kenya area) as temporary refuge; debated but rejected at Zionist Congress for favoring Palestine.
- Argentina: Herzl suggested it in "Der Judenstaat" (1896) for its immigration policies.
- Somaliland: No major proposals found in historical records; other sites like Madagascar were considered.
Reasons: Pragmatic need for immediate safety, as Palestine faced political hurdles. Many Zionists prioritized Palestine for historical ties, but explored options for expediency. Sources: Britannica, Wikipedia, historical analyses.
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