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#1366 [Permalink] Posted on 28th July 2025 14:54
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Tell us something we don't now.
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#1367 [Permalink] Posted on 28th July 2025 15:18
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#1368 [Permalink] Posted on 28th July 2025 15:57
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Look what UAE has done for their master. Hard to believe this not real :(

x.com/SilentlySirs/status/1949749437321896413
“Watch: Empty trucks bearing the UAE flag enter Gaza — coinciding with Israel’s announcement.

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#1369 [Permalink] Posted on 28th July 2025 18:15
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MBZ is the Abu Jahal of the present times.
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#1370 [Permalink] Posted on 29th July 2025 17:09
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#1371 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2025 10:01
When a country like the UK or France says it will recognise a Palestinian state, what they are really doing is recognising something that does not actually exist in any meaningful or tangible way. It sounds significant on the surface, but in reality, nothing changes for Palestinians on the ground.

The Israeli military occupation of the West Bank is still very much in place. Gaza remains under a brutal blockade, and the bombardment continues. Illegal settlements keep expanding despite clearly violating international law, and nobody is stopping them. The Palestinian Authority might have some level of administrative control, but it does not have sovereignty. Israel continues to control the borders, the airspace, the movement of people, and most of the land itself.

There is no mechanism to enforce anything. This kind of recognition is symbolic at best. It has no real consequences for Israel, nor does it bring any actual relief to Palestinians who are living under siege, occupation, or military assault. To speak of recognising a Palestinian state while Palestinians are being killed, displaced, and strangled every day feels like a sick joke. It gives the West a chance to pretend they care, to make statements of moral superiority, and to buy time rather than take real action that could actually make a difference.

That real action might include arms embargoes on Israel, sanctions, support for international criminal court investigations, or concrete backing for true Palestinian self-determination. But instead of that, we get these empty gestures that do nothing for people suffering on the ground.

What is also clear is that these Western powers only want to deal with the Palestinian Authority when they talk about recognising Palestine. They have no interest in dealing with the full spectrum of Palestinian political reality. They refuse to acknowledge Hamas, even though it is a major political force with popular support. By doing this, they are deciding who represents Palestinians, which completely undermines the idea of genuine democracy or self-determination.

Hamas won a majority of seats in the last Palestinian legislative elections. That was the last time a properly representative, national vote happened across both the West Bank and Gaza. Since then, no national elections have been held, and the Palestinian Authority has become increasingly authoritarian and out of touch with the people it claims to represent.

Talking about a legitimate Palestinian state while deliberately excluding or ignoring Hamas, which still holds a large base of support in Gaza and elsewhere, is dishonest. Calling the PA democratic makes no sense when it has not held an election in nearly twenty years. And you definitely cannot claim to be promoting peace if you are at the same time denying millions of Palestinians their right to political participation and self-representation.
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#1372 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2025 10:29
Very True!

The statement by Starmer is a blatant go ahead with the genocide. He's made it clear that the UK will only recognise Palestine IF there is a ceasefire. And since Israel don't want Palestine to have a state or even an existance, they will not go ahead with any cease fire! Very cunning from the UK gov and nothing new!
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#1373 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2025 12:52
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This article from Middle East Monitor is telling.

www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250730-arab-states-urge-hamas...

Just a treacherous proposal by the Arab Gulf States. It is a proposal that calls on Hamas to hand over their weapons and
Administrative rule. To the treacherous Palestinian Authority.
And for any prospective state to be completely demilitarised and defenceless.

The Canadian Prime Minister has made it clear it will only recognise a Palestinian. If it is demilitarised.

This is all window dressing, to try and placate to the anger amongst their own populations. By making proposal that is not viable, the Saudis and U.A.E. will blame Hamas for rejecting it....And the genocide will continue.
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#1374 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2025 13:53
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Proposal by the Arab Gulf States, that calls on Hamas to hand over their weapons and
Administrative rule to the Palestinian Authority like other parts of Palestine.

What do the Palestinian Authority do with those weapons?
Do the Palestinian Authority Administration persecute the Palestinians like the Israel Government?
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#1375 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2025 14:24
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Talk of ‘creating’ a Palestinian state feels disconnected from reality. Palestine already exists, under siege, buried beneath rubble, and enduring decades of colonisation. What global powers now present as diplomatic progress is unfolding while children starve and entire families are erased. These gestures of recognition feel less like justice and more like a belated attempt to ease guilt, as if acknowledging Palestine now can make up for the silence as it bled.
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#1376 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2025 14:34
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Arab governments calling on Palestinians to give up their weapons and let the PA take over Gaza isn't a path to peace. It's a straight-up betrayal.

We already saw what happened when the PA disarmed resistance groups in the West Bank. Did it lead to freedom or safety? No. Settlers now attack Palestinian towns, soldiers raid homes almost daily, and more land gets stolen every week. Meanwhile, the PA just watches, unable to protect anyone.

And now they're asking Gaza to do the same? To hand over weapons and trust the same broken system, while Israel keeps bombing, starving, and building more illegal settlements?

Let’s not forget. Hamas won the last Palestinian election. That was back in 2006. Instead of respecting that result, the PA refused to share power and the international community turned its back on democracy the second it did not like the outcome.

Since then, the PA has cancelled every attempt at holding new elections. Mahmoud Abbas has overstayed his term by more than a decade. And yet somehow this unelected leadership is treated like the legitimate voice of the Palestinian people. How does that make sense?

Every time there was talk of forming a unity government, it was the PA that blocked it. They will not even consider power-sharing with Hamas, even though they have not had a popular mandate in almost 20 years. So when people say Hamas needs to step aside for the PA, step aside for what? An unelected authority that collaborates with the occupier and refuses to let the people choose their own leadership?

Let’s be real. Israel never took negotiations seriously even when Palestinians played by the rules. Every time Palestinians made a concession, Israel grabbed more land and tightened its grip.

Under international law, people living under occupation have the right to resist. That is not just opinion. It is a legal right. Telling Palestinians to disarm while they are being attacked is basically asking them to surrender.

This is not about peace. It is about making sure Palestinians cannot defend themselves. And that is not justice. That is control.
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#1377 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2025 14:38
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The Palestinian Authority doesn’t use its weapons to defend the people. Instead, it functions more like a security contractor for the Israeli occupation. Rather than protecting Palestinians, it often works alongside the very system that represses them. For many, the PA is no longer seen as a protector but as a collaborator.
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#1378 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2025 14:49
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Well it is not only a collaborator but an active participant , as the siege and destruction of Jenin showed. And the targeting of any resistance groups on behalf of Israel.

www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/12/15/why-is-the-pa-raidi...

With all the other Munafiq in the region, we tend to forget that The PA and Mahmoud Abbas are the biggest munafiqs of them all.
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#1379 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2025 15:13
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Palestinian Authority security forces are in effect a tool of the Israeli Army.

Mahmoud Abbas was labelled by the late Yassir Arafat, over 20 years ago as the "Palestinian Hamid Karzai" , he is well known to be a puppet just like Karzai, and his security forces are agents just like Karzais army was.

Abbas his family and his cronies have stolen billions, that is what they are in leadership for, to serve America/Israel and make money.

The West Bank Fatah leader with the most public support is Marwan Barghouti, who has been in prison for 20 plus years.
The PA has lobbied the Israelis not to release him, in any prisoner exchange.

Barghouti is the unifying Palestinian figure, supported by everybody including Hamas.
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#1380 [Permalink] Posted on 1st August 2025 15:32
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We get that feeling that..... Compared to Israel, life will be better under Palestinian Authority. Less bloodshed and sufferings.

But Gazans continue to expect that divine intervention is coming and "Gaza vs rest of the World" war can be won, they can continue the war.
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