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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 25th March 2022 22:53

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Didn't you once say that even if George Bush told you personally that he did 9/11, you wouldn't believe him

No, I didn't.

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Forgive me if I'm mistaken

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2022 10:09

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Some things don't need to be said. Your rejection of certain experts has spoken loudly.

Why do you reject these doctors and experts of decades:

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Why do you reject these decades experienced expert engineers:
www.ae911truth.org/signatures/#/AE

Why do you prefer the government's official pseudoscience antiscience narrative over these experts?

Just give the reason, nothing more nothing less and your requirements will become clear.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2022 10:31

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Consensus.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2022 10:42

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Fair point to make about preaching. I shall rephrase it.

Thank you brother Asaaghir. That was very gracious of you. Another brother who shows similar grace is our dear Dr76.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2022 10:48

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What is consensus? Who determines concensus? As far as the data and evidence proves, majority experts say the opposite of your believe. Is your consensus based on the believers of cartoon physics and pseudoscience or the based on consensus of majority experts because they outnumber the handful of contracted and paid government affiliated experts who give the laughable science to explain what happened.

So what's your consensus based on? And who has the authority to stamp what is the consensus?

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2022 11:00

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that's your requirement

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Please show me where I have made my requirement

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Some things don't need to be said.

And yet

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Just give the reason

So if I were to also answer with

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Some things don't need to be said.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2022 11:04

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So what's your consensus based on? And who has the authority to stamp what is the consensus?

Thank you for posting this. This is at the very core of our disagreement.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2022 12:18

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That's not an answer, nor informative, nor useful.

The reason you're not answering is because it'll confirm what I said. If I'm wrong, simply answer it.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2022 12:57

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I'm waiting for our gracious doctor to also reaffirm his beliefs that the vaccine is safe and effective. Then I'll call him out too. Lol.

Currently I've let him off the hook giving him the benefit of doubt based on the time that has elapsed since his dangerous advice.

These two words (safe - effective) have been the cause of so many peoples deaths and severe injuries.

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2022 13:02

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By the way, I take it I was correct about playing the devil's advocate since you had nothing to say about that lol. Smart ;)

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2022 13:33

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The reason you're not answering is because it'll confirm what I said. If I'm wrong, simply answer it.

We need to have this conversation, but I cannot type very effectively on my phone. I will continue this discussion when I have access to a PC. Also, we are in different time zones, so there might be a gap of many hours between replies.

But, I cannot stress this enough. We have touched on the very core of our disagreement. I will try and explain my views on consensus.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2022 13:41

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I take it I was correct about playing the devil's advocate since you had nothing to say about that

Playing the devil's advocate is an important way for me to arrive at clarity for my own understanding, but it is not the case in our present discussion.

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Smart

That was very kind of you.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 26th March 2022 13:53

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I'm waiting for our gracious doctor to also reaffirm his beliefs

Dr Sahab prefers to avoid acrimony (as do our other senior ex-members.) I'm the only one juvenile enough to publicly persist in this disagreement.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 27th March 2022 02:41

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What is consensus?

For the scope of our discussion we are referring to scientific consensus. The definition of scientific consensus is

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the position generally agreed upon at a given time by most scientists specialized in a given field.

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Who determines consensus?

In each field, consensus is the agreed upon position of a majority of the specialists in that field at that time.

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majority experts say the opposite of your believe

This statement needs to be supported by numbers. We need to know how many specialists exist in that particular field, and of those, do a majority of them agree on the matter at that time?

Nearly all specialists have national and global non profit bodies or associations that lend credibility to opinions in those fields. For example, if one were looking for consensus on the management of diabetes, one would refer to the American Diabetes Association. For consensus on heart disease management, one would refer to the American Heart Association. There are similar associations in most other countries. For engineering and technology, there is the Institute of Engineering and Technology in the UK.

These associations arrive at consensus through the publication of peer reviewed research, and conferences and meetings.

Membership to these associations is open to all specialists in that field. Even within the association, members are assigned a hierarchical level based on their personal contribution to knowledge in that field through the publication of peer reviewed research.

I belong to some professional associations in my field, so I have some understanding of consensus in my field. Medical science is not my field, so I look at the opinions given by these institutions and associations to learn about what they have reached consensus on.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 27th March 2022 03:08

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Why do you reject these decades experienced expert engineers:
www.ae911truth.org/signat...

The signatories on this site number in the thousands, but there are nearly 2 million engineers in the US alone, and there are over one hundred thousand architects in the US. The engineers in the US have numerous professional bodies for their respective disciplines. The architects also have their respective professional associations.

For the signatories' opinions to hold value, they will need to demonstrate expertise in a very narrow field through extensive publication of peer reviewed research on this particular topic. If they are not specialists in this very narrow field of high impact physics in the context of skyscraper destruction, then they make up only 0.2% of the experts in the general fields of engineering and architecture.

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