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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 16:36
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OP is based on US stats.

What makes you think it's based on the UK?


People aren't accusing the US alone of being involved in a conspiracy. Even IF it is possible that there is some truth to the OP with regards to the the US, this still doesn't explain the cauese for higher death rates (more janazas) in the UK and elsewhere.

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Question to you.

The virus works the same at it would in Japan, China, America, Barbados England, Africa, The Middle East.

So why are numbers low in some places and high in other places.


There could be many reasons for this.
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 17:07
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There's also a very serious killer that's not in the spotlight because of the Covid hysteria. That is Lockdown.

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I almost don’t blame people who are unaware of this information, because you have to go to the UK, usually, or the international press in general, to find it. But here is some of the collateral damage caused by lockdowns.

(1) In the UK, cancer authorities have been warning that the lockdowns will wind up leading to as many or more avoidable cancer deaths than COVID deaths there — as many as 60,000, according to one estimate.

The UK’s Sunday Express – not exactly some obscure dispatch – reports that increased cancer fatalities will result from the redeployment of health resources caused by COVID hysteria. The BBC says the same. In fact, says Richard Sullivan, a professor of cancer and global health at King’s College London and director of its Institute of Cancer Policy:


Read the original article at TomWoods.com. tomwoods.com/death-by-lockdown/

Shocks, depressions, suicide rates, the extra difficulty in getting medical attention have all contributed towards excess deaths in 2020. These simply cannot ignored. It's easy to give a global default stamp of "Covid" for every death but this isn't reality, it's not science. It's already categorically proven that Covid death figures are false both scientifically and statistically. To do justice to your concerns, you have to read up on what psychologists and many doctors have to say on health issues caused by external forces.

off-guardian.org/2020/06/13/lockdown-regime-deaths-the-tr...

There's a lot more to read on the effects of lockdown which estimates a huge rise in deaths far worse than it may seem ddg.gg/?q=the+effects+of+lockdown
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2021 03:04
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Yes lockdown has negative effects, but there has to be a balance. Action has to be taken now, and adjusted to suit. Only time will tell how things shouod have been done better. All governments and populations aren't the same when it comes to being responsible and balanced.

Still doesnt explain rise in janazas, nor does it mean there is some conspiracy:

Alcohol deaths hit record high during Covid pandemic

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55900624
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2021 03:28
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7340075/

This is a paper published in Elsevier Public Health of a study done in the Netherlands.

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We hypothesize that mitigation policies to curb the COVID-19 outbreak may cause additional mortality and mental health problems in the (near) future. The additional mortality may be due to the delay in the diagnosis of several diseases, or due to the indirect effect of the lock down policy such as economic crisis. Mental health problems may arise because of the social isolation.

(We) showed that there is a potentially significant rise of mortality and mental health problems in the future due to lock down policy in curbing COVID-19 outbreak.


So, they're saying there is some evidence to show that a number of deaths may occur not due to the virus, but because of various problems caused by lock-downs imposed by the government to prevent the spread of corona virus.
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2021 03:41
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According to a study conducted by a group of independent researchers, there have been nearly a thousand deaths between March 19 and July 4 which are not directly related to the coronavirus infection, but were caused by other problems emerging out of the crisis.

The data was collected by public interest technologist Thejesh G.N., social worker and researcher Kanika Sharma and assistant professor at Jindal Global School of Law, Aman.

Citing information gathered from various media reports, the researchers claimed that between March 19 and July 4, they could collate 971 deaths which are linked to the lockdown.


https://thewire.in/rights/centre-indian-railways-lockdown-deaths-migrant-workers-shramik-special-rti

In India also, an independent study collected information about deaths that occurred during lock-down, and the study showed that many of the deaths were not due to the virus, but due to other causes such as starvation, traffic accidents, and suicides.
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2021 04:47
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I have no issues with the contents of your above 2 posts, but that doesn't mean that there was no increase in deaths due to Covid itself. I also posted something before your two posts but it hasn't been approved. I don't know how these threads work, but I am under more restrictions for posting?

Edit: perhaps it is because my earlier post that is pending has a bbc link.
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2021 06:27
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I agree. There's no denying that there were deaths due to COVID, but there have also been deaths that likely were not due to COVID, but they may have been mislabeled COVID deaths, either due to incompetence, or to push a pandemic narrative and create confusion, and somehow profit from that confusion.

Governments the world over have been known to take advantage of crises to push forward their agendas, a good case in point being India and the US recently.
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2021 11:28
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Still doesnt explain rise in janazas?? You were literally provided information that there is correlation between lockdowns and excess deaths. Even if it's not "the" reason, it's still "a possible" reason and you're saying it doesn't explain rise in Janazah? "Doesn't explain" is completely dismissing it when it does explain, "doesn't explain" would be valid to say if no reason of death was provided that shows any connection to 2020. But that was not the case. It does.

In what way does a Janazah not apply to deaths due to the effects of lockdown? Why are Muslims exempt from being included in these death tolls? It's basic simple information. What answer are you looking for? That it's only and only Covid and nothing else can possibly kill a Muslim except for Covid?? Can you justify why excess deaths due to lockdown doesn't apply to Muslims?
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2021 13:38
I think what Brother Concerned is saying is that there have been some additional deaths, and while lockdown is responsible for some of them, some are also due to COVID mismanagement, in and out of hospitals.

Am i reading this right?
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2021 14:02
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Let him explain in his own time. Don't guess for him please. I say this because what you said doesn't make sense in real world applications so going on what you're saying will just make it worse.
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2021 14:05
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So these extra janazas are due to muslims drinking them selves to death? Because thats what the article i linked to after making my statement speaks about.

Edit: i could have worded my initial post better, but i was saying the BBC article doesnt explain rise in Janazas.
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2021 14:15
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That may be possible, but why deny that covid itself was also responsible for additional deaths as well? Does covid not result in anyone dying at all? Yes most people are asymptomatic, or have mild symptoms and recover. But it is contagious and those who are elderly or have underlying medical conditions are at risk from dying and have died.
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2021 14:33
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So let me get this right. You are given information about the severe effects of lockdown and excess deaths. You decide to ignore that as a valid probable cause that actually checks out and prefer to post a link yourself about alcohol deaths only and then use the link that YOU posted about something thatNO ONE else was talking about and using that to dismiss something complete different? Is that how it works?

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but why deny that covid itself was also responsible

It was so obvious this is the answer you were looking for which I mentioned in my post earlier and you still without due consideration and possibly compete lack of awareness reverted to it. But to answer it, the reason to deny is in abu mohammed's post if you bothered to read it.

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You didn't explain why excess deaths that's actually mentioned in the other posts doesn't apply to Muslims.

You're the only person talking about alcohol deaths.
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2021 19:56
I was going to respond to the above post, but after reading this FB post from Maulana Yunus Dudhhawala, who is also a Head Chaplain at a London hospital, I wouldn't even bother.:


"Gardens of Peace Muslim Cemetery, London/Essex 24/12/20 to 24/01/21
490 funerals"

"Same period previous year 109 funerals"

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2744298185812142&...

May Allah grant all of the Muslims who have died the highest stage of Jannah, and May he grant us good health and save us from trials and tribulations.
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2021 20:43
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It's only because more family chose garden of peace as the venue compared to other venues.*













































*this claim is disputed
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