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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 31st January 2021 03:48
This is a news-letter that was published by Johns Hopkins, but later retracted due to pressure from mainstream media.

drive . google . com/file/d/1Tnb1a8TXHj_jJCM2BDfGSriUgdn-2gec/view?usp=sharing

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Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths.

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people's assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.

Interestingly, as depicted in the table below, the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be re-categorized as being due to COVID-19.

The CDC classified all deaths that are related to COVID-19 simply as COVID-19 deaths. Even patients dying from other underlying diseases but are infected with COVID-19 count as COVID-19 deaths. This is likely the main explanation as to why COVID-19 deaths drastically increased while deaths by all other diseases experienced a significant decrease.

All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers. We found no evidence to the contrary, Briand concluded.


EDIT: Johns Hopkins issued a detailed retraction of the article posted above.

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Last week, The News-Letter published, deleted and retracted an article about a Hopkins faculty member’s presentation on COVID-19 data.

The piece, “A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19,” was published on Nov. 22 and covered a webinar presented by Genevieve Briand, the Assistant Director for the University’s Applied Economics Advanced Academic Program. Briand analyzed COVID-19 death figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for the United States. She argued that there had been no increase in U.S. deaths in 2020 compared to previous years. She also claimed that deaths from other causes have been miscategorized as COVID-19 deaths.

On Thursday, Nov. 26, the Editors-in-Chief learned that the piece was being shared by c*nspiracy the*rists on social media to deny the severity of COVID-19. Additionally, readers contacted The News-Letter stating that there were factual inaccuracies represented in the piece.

The Editors-in-Chief decided to delete the article because of these urgent concerns, explaining on social media that the piece was being taken out of context and used to spread dangerous misinformation. While the article noted the need for further research, this sentiment was not sufficiently emphasized. We failed to clarify that Briand’s analyses have not been published, peer-reviewed or verified by outside experts.

However, the article should not have been deleted in the first place. Instead of temporarily removing it from our website, The News-Letter should have immediately retracted and provided a detailed explanation of the inaccuracies in Briand’s research. We did not intend to silence Briand; instead, we sought to put her claims in conversation with findings from Hopkins, the World Health Organization and the CDC.

Early Friday afternoon, the Editors-in-Chief wrote an Editor’s Note in consultation with the Managing Editors, which was published with an accompanying PDF link to the original article for the sake of transparency. The Editor’s Note was meant to, albeit belatedly, clarify why the article was retracted and contextualize Briand’s claims with those of leading public health experts.

Over the last week, our readers have questioned how and why this article was published and whether it should have been retracted or left standing.

We want to clarify that the issues with the article are not the fault of our reporter, and we want to reaffirm our support for her as a member of our staff. All articles undergo a review process, with section editors and copy readers conducting fact checks for each piece. It was an oversight that the piece was published without appropriate fact-checking and context.

The leadership of The News-Letter takes responsibility for this situation. The article shouldn’t have been published without the additional information needed to put Briand’s research into perspective.

We also want to stress that we are an independent newspaper. Some mistook The News-Letter for an official University publication, while others accused Hopkins of censoring us. However, The News-Letter is an editorially and financially independent, student-run publication. The University does not control our content and did not influence our decision to retract the piece.

The article and its aftermath have led us to reflect on how we can avoid a similar situation in the future. It is our responsibility to continue reporting on COVID-19, and we must strive to be vigilant in our coverage. Articles about the pandemic can have life or death consequences, especially as cases rise across the country and misinformation spreads across social media.

One way to combat this misinformation is to implement a fact-checking process that involves research from multiple sources. Additionally, the editors of the Science & Technology section — where the piece was originally published — have compiled a list of guidelines for future articles concerning COVID-19, with the goal of ensuring that our paper upholds the highest standards of reporting. This includes requirements that scientific claims are supported by peer-reviewed sources and are verified by experts in that field.

We sincerely apologize for how this article was handled, and we invite continued feedback on our coverage. We welcome Letters to the Editor and commit to continuing the conversation around COVID-19.

We must continue to hold ourselves accountable, and we appreciate all the readers who have helped us do so. The News-Letter recognizes, and is grateful for, the trust you place in us, and we will do all we can to continuously earn it.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 11:35
Can any members in hard hit countries say whether there has been an increase in janazas in their communites?
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 12:53
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Yes there has and most, if not, all were hospital deaths.

However, the bigger question asked by someone was, "How many deaths were NOT in hospital's"

This would give an indication as to what had been going on.

I'm not playing it down, so don't misquote me.

My parents, uncles, aunts, brother and so on have all been tested positive and recovered. Some of these have suffered illnesses in the past that would make them very high risk.

According to many many doctors, "It's treatable" (posts are already available with their evidence)
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 14:11
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One conspiracy at a time. If UK muslims are experiencing many more janazas than normal, then the arguments made in the opening post are not applicable to the UK.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 14:15
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Anyone keeping up with the posts would disagree on the basis of the posts.

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UK News below
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 14:44
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The opening post argues that the death rate is the same. There are more janazas than normal in the UK, so the death rate is not the same. Something is causing these increased number of deaths, either covid itself, or as you argue, it is due to covid patients going to hospitals and not surviving in there. Other than that, why would there suddenly be a spike in deaths from the other non covid related causes listed in your post above? Are more and more muslims suddenly dying due to many other "regular" causes?
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 15:07
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Prior to covid:
How many people catch the flu?

How many people report death by flu annually?

How many people test for flu annually?

How many people even visit the doctor when they have the flu?

How many people take the flu Jab?

How many people don't take the flu jab?

So, what numbers are we comparing to?

Anyways, see this (up to December 2020) from the Office of National Statistics.

Considering being hit by a bus and getting killed can also be logged as a covid death.

So yes, there are an increasing in deaths and this is the qadr of Allah.

Considering the misreporting, the biggest killer cannot be covid-19

  • In December 2020, there were 52,676 deaths registered in England, 10,594 deaths (25.2%) more than the five-year average (2015 to 2019) for December; in Wales, there were 3,941 deaths registered, 1,075 deaths (37.5%) more than the five-year average for December.
  • The coronavirus (COVID-19) was the leading cause of death in December 2020 for the second consecutive month in both England (accounting for 20.8% of all deaths registered in December) and in Wales (27.4% of all deaths); dementia and Alzheimer's disease was the second leading cause of death in both countries, with COVID-19 accounting for more than double the second leading cause in England and more than triple in Wales.
  • Based on provisional data for January to December 2020, COVID-19 was the leading cause of death in England and Wales, with dementia and Alzheimer's disease being the second most common cause of death.
  • The age-standardised mortality rate of deaths due to COVID-19 in December 2020 was 233.6 deaths per 100,000 people in England and 374.4 deaths per 100,000 people in Wales; the COVID-19 mortality rate significantly increased for the fourth consecutive month in England and the third consecutive month in Wales.
  • In December 2020, Yorkshire and The Humber was the English region with the highest mortality rate for deaths due to COVID-19 (320.5 deaths per 100,000 people), followed by the East Midlands (316.0 deaths per 100,000 people); the South West had the lowest COVID-19 mortality rate, at 123.1 deaths per 100,000 people.
  • In England, the mortality rate for deaths due to COVID-19 in December 2020 in the most deprived areas was 391.6 deaths per 100,000 people; this was more than 2.5 times the mortality rate in the least deprived areas (152.3 deaths per 100,000 people).
  • In Wales, the COVID-19 mortality rate in the most deprived areas was nearly twice the mortality rate in the least deprived areas (560.0 deaths per 100,000 people in the most deprived areas, 285.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the least deprived areas).
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 15:15
I was keeping it very simple. I was comparing janazah numbers to see if death rates have gone up since covid. They clearly have in the UK, so the OP is incorrect as it relates to the UK. If anyone can confirm that Jazazas have increased in the US muslim communities, the we can get an idea as to how the OP stands in relation to the US.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 15:27
Dear brother Concerned,

I would request that you block me so that my posts are not visible to you, because they might likely challenge the mainstream narrative.

I was initially very skeptical of the posts by brothers super-glue, asaaghir, abu mohammed, fod1083 and admin, but after reading through them more attentively, I've had to rethink my stance.

I benefit greatly from your posts, so I will not be blocking you.

I hope you will allow me this indulgence.

EDIT: I've been asked by someone I look up to, and respect greatly, that I should be more careful about what I post online with regards to COVID19 related information. I retract and apologize for what I've posted above.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 15:35
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OP is based on US stats.

What makes you think it's based on the UK?

Question to you.

The virus works the same at it would in Japan, China, America, Barbados England, Africa, The Middle East.

So why are numbers low in some places and high in other places.

Why is BAME used as an excuse whereas in their native countries, the death toll is not so high?

UK, US, Europe are killing their people of by mistreatment, so numbers are high.


Number of deaths

World 2,238,513
USA 452,279
Brazil 224,534
Mexico 158,536
India 154,428
UK 106,158
Italy 88,516
France 76,057
Russia 73,619
Spain 58,319
Iran 57,959
Germany 57,777
Colombia 53,983
Argentina 47,974
South Africa 44,164
Peru 41,026
Poland 37,180
Indonesia 29,998
Turkey 25,993
Ukraine 22,768
Belgium 21,092
Canada 20,032
Chile 18,452
Romania 18,335
Czechia 16,392
Ecuador 14,859
Netherlands 13,998
Iraq 13,047
Hungary 12,578
Portugal 12,482
Pakistan 11,683
Sweden 11,591
Philippines 10,807
Bolivia 10,379
Switzerland 9,381
Egypt 9,316
Bulgaria 9,045
Morocco 8,275
Bangladesh 8,127
Austria 7,721
Tunisia 6,754
Saudi Arabia 6,375
Greece 5,796
Japan 5,654
Guatemala 5,643
Panama 5,270
Croatia 5,027
Israel 4,796
Bosnia and Herzegovina 4,679
Slovakia 4,642
China 4,636
Jordan 4,316
Serbia 4,020
Honduras 3,610
Slovenia 3,503
Moldova 3,438
Ireland 3,307
Georgia 3,194
Azerbaijan 3,132
Myanmar 3,131
Armenia 3,084
Lebanon 3,082
Algeria 2,891
North Macedonia 2,855
Lithuania 2,803
Paraguay 2,718
Dominican Republic 2,666
Costa Rica 2,604
Kazakhstan 2,476
Afghanistan 2,404
Denmark 2,125
Ethiopia 2,093
Nepal 2,029
Libya 1,877
Palestine 1,833
Sudan 1,807
Kenya 1,763
Belarus 1,718
El Salvador 1,632
Nigeria 1,586
Oman 1,529
S. Korea 1,425
Kyrgyzstan 1,412
Albania 1,380
Zimbabwe 1,217
Latvia 1,195
Venezuela 1,189
Kuwait 959
Syria 921
Australia 909
UAE 850
Montenegro 805
Zambia 763
Malaysia 760
Malawi 702
Finland 671
DRC 671
Senegal 628
Uzbekistan 621
Yemen 615
Luxembourg 580
Eswatini 565
Norway 564
Angola 466
Cameroon 462
Uruguay 436
Mauritania 422
Estonia 419
Ghana 416
Bahrain 375
Mozambique 367
Namibia 352
Jamaica 350
Mali 330
Uganda 324
Sri Lanka 316
Belize 301
Madagascar 281
Malta 267
Qatar 248
Haiti 245
Cuba 214
Cyprus 199
Rwanda 196
Hong Kong 181
Bahamas 176
Guyana 176
Lesotho 172
Nicaragua 169
Niger 159
Ivory Coast 154
Guadeloupe 154
Suriname 154
Botswana 134
Cabo Verde 134
Trinidad and Tobago 134
French Polynesia 131
Somalia 130
Gambia 128
Burkina Faso 120
Chad 118
Congo 117
Andorra 101
Comoros 93
Tajikistan 90
Equatorial Guinea 86
Liberia 84
Guinea 82
Channel Islands 82
Sierra Leone 79
Thailand 77
Togo 77
Gibraltar 77
French Guiana 76
Gabon 68
San Marino 67
South Sudan 64
Djibouti 63
CAR 63
Mayotte 61
Aruba 59
Maldives 52
Benin 52
Liechtenstein 52
Réunion 46
Martinique 45
Guinea-Bissau 45
Vietnam 35
Singapore 29
Iceland 29
Sint Maarten 27
New Zealand 25
Isle of Man 25
Curaçao 21
Tanzania 21
Sao Tome and Principe 17
Barbados 14
Monaco 13
Saint Lucia 13
Diamond Princess 13
Saint Martin 12
Bermuda 12
Mauritius 10
Turks and Caicos 9
Papua New Guinea 9
Taiwan 8
Eritrea 7
Antigua and Barbuda 7
Seychelles 4
Caribbean Netherlands 3
Brunei 3
Mongolia 2
Burundi 2
St. Vincent Grenadines 2
Cayman Islands 2
Fiji 2
MS Zaandam 2
Bhutan 1
Faeroe Islands 1
St. Barth 1
Grenada 1
British Virgin Islands 1
Montserrat 1
Western Sahara 1
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 16:04
Figures registered by 5 December 2020 showed there were 43,987 more deaths between Jan. 1 and Nov. 30 in England than the five-year average.
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 16:17
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When there is an agenda to lower numbers in masses, of course there will be an increase in deaths.

On average, the daily death rate was low in America until a planned mass murder took place on 9/11

So on that day, the number went up.

What do you expect to happen when people are being killed in the name of covid-19?

The number of people who died on the ventilators could have been avoided. Treatment with hydroxychloroquine, zinc and so on would've meant less casualties too.

But as br AM said, it's the qadr of our maker.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 16:18
The numbers are just that, numbers. They can be manipulated even more easily than causing the death of a person through a "virus". So of course the number of deaths are high. Otherwise how would we, the common people, believe there's a pandemic.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 16:27
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Thank you for the kind words. Feel free to indulge, i am just trying to verify your OP.

The other members are going against the OP by arguing that people are being killed in the name of covid and that explains the higher death rate. But this thread thus far was about establishing the death rate, rather than if the cause of death was deliberate.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2021 16:29
Ironically, getting killed in a car accident can count as a death by covid-19.

But when someone does of the vaccine, even if they did of a car accident, heart attack, cancer or any other reason. There will most certainly be a full autopsy do remove any doubt that the vaccine was not the cause of death.

Why the double standards and manipulation of numbers?

Death by covid vaccine www.muftisays.com/forums/14-peoples-say/13799-death-by-co...
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