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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 13:56
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This would be too simplistic an explanation. The game here was controlling the narrative through the media. And all that was needed was for a few of the developed countries to create a "pandemic" in their countries. The rest of the world would have followed suit. The rest of the world does Taqleed of the so-called developed countries because they think in their ways is success, in this world and the hereafter. Ok, not the latter because they don't even care for that. So all these developed countries had to do was develop a sequence of steps that leads to a diagnosis of Covid, and the rest of them would soon be following their example. The rest is easy also because many of the poorer countries would have jumped at this opportunity of garnering sympathy from the world by showing figures of death and destruction. Basically not everyone was involved directly in the hoax most of them were just playing their parts quite well, as they were expected by the planners.

There has been much speculation about the purpose for perpetrating such a hoax. Some think it's the testing of a bio-weapon, some say it was to crash economies, usher in the era of a New World Order, or to usher in an era of global governance. I believe it was something more sinister than that. Perhaps it was a test of how effectively the global narrative can be controlled through media? How gullible the populations of the world are to suggestions from the media? I mean, they did bring the world to a complete halt. I am starting to think this was a test of whether the world is ready for the emergence of Dajjal. Whether people are ready to blindly accept whatever they are fed through Dajjal's mouthpiece, the media. I think they have concluded that there are still people who would reject such suggestions and the time is not right for Dajjal to emerge into limelight. For now he has more work to do behind the scenes.

All said and done though, there is a difference between the existence of conspiracies and the world-view of the Muslims. We Muslims are not supposed to be focusing on the conspiracies of the villains, rather on the fact that why it affected us adversely. Do you think the Shaytan and his minions in this world were on vacation during the era of Abu Bakr رضي الله عنه and Umar رضي الله عنه? Do you think they were not constantly plotting even back then? Obviously they were but it didn't affect them as adversely, if at all, as it would have done us. That's because they were doing something different, right? They had firmly grabbed on to the Sunnah of Prophet (saw) and through the blessing of those, Allah shielded them from all sorts of plotting by the kuffar. Let us get back to the Sunnah then.
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 14:26
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For the uk, we have established that people are getting a sickness, so the sickness is real. We have already established that people are dying in hospitals. Your argument seems to be that the people could have been treated and released from hospital, but instead they are beings subject to treatments that killed them.

So therefore we have no reason to doubt that they weren't many cases of the sickness in Spain, Itally and Brazil. They have reported many deaths due to the sickness, just like the UK masjids had many extra deaths to deal with. You agreed there was a spike in deaths in the UK, so don't you also agree there was a spike in deaths in Itally, Spain and Brazil?
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 14:30
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So did lots of people die in Brazil, Spain and Itally due to a virus/sickness or not?
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 14:34
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So does covid exist or not in your eyes..?
It exists

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Are the statistics related to death in 2020 exactly the same as every other year..?

There were more deaths. Many were controlled. Put onto ventilators unnecessarily and then turned off.

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If so then how do you categorise those extra people being killed of in Covid Wards...?

That's the easy part. No one needed to check. No coroner required. No further examination required.

The more patients, the more funding, the more deaths, even more funding.
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 14:47
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I can understand the funding aspect In America were the system is healthcare for profit.

But I dont see how that helps in the u.k. where all it does is put a drain on the budget.

Having said that. The personal testemonies of individuals whose relatives especially the elderly who went in to hospital. For totally unrelated conditions being put into Covid Wards are so many. There is truth in that.

Also the protocol of not making any attempt to revive or resuscitate patients who were under going difficulties on ventilators also is an incontrovertible fact.

Medical staff were being told to put incoming patients at greater risk into covid wards. Even though they did not go into the hospital for the illness in the first place. As way of confining tge virus to a single area of hospital.

They were also being told not to revive patients any attempts to do so would put medical staff themselves at risk.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-cpr-resusci...

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 14:58
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They could have died of the common flu or any number of other diseases that carry similar symptoms. Thing is, in our normal circumstances when people die of flu every year, how many news outlets report it? How many create a whole lot of noise about there being deaths from flu and no action by the govt.? If in those normal days they started creating just as much as fuss as now, people would be convinced there is a deadly disease going around that has no cure. They would be right of course, because medical science cannot even "cure" flu but that's beside the point.

I read somewhere that even last year 700000 people died to the common flu. In Pakistan itself the death count is something that MQM and ANP would have matched in Karachi only by killing to make a point to each other in the same number of months. Only difference is how all of this is reported. You report even a single death in a dramatic fashion on the media and people will think something is out to get them. You could report thousands of death in a non-dramatic fashion and people will be like "meh, people die, life moves on".
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 15:18
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What about the hospitals being overwhelmed and bodies having to be stored in those additional cold storage containers? These things don't happen with the flu as deaths due to the flu are spread out during the course of the entire year.
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 15:42
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Think of it this way. In normal days when you have a flu or something that resembles it, people aren't really panicking and running to the hospitals. Because it's not considered a major threat to life. And yet, so many people die of it every year. It's just that our senses have been trained to not fear it because we have never heard of it being talked about in terms of a very fatal disease. Now though, so much hype and panic was created on the media, that even those who didn't even have symptoms were rushing to the hospital on the first sneeze. On top of that the idea that test kits were short made people even more desperate to get their testing done as soon as possible. It's just like how if a WhatsApp forward talks about how to stock up on so and so product because there will be a shortage in the coming days, people rush to the markets to get that product, which in turn, does actually create the shortage. It's a beautiful deception that is only effective if people believe it.

Now, people going to the hospitals to get tested was exactly what the initiators of this would have wanted. Because, like I speculated that the tests were bogus, and probably testing something that had a high probability of producing a positive in humans anyway, so when these people went in to get tested, they were shown the positive results, hence the deception was complete. After having a positive diagnosis on an individual, it didn't matter what that person died from eventually, they could easily chalk it up to Covid, and no one would bat an eyelid because everyone accepted it as the norm by then.

I don't know about overseas, but in Pakistan there were reports from reliable educated people that a family member who died from a pre-existing condition had his/her death attributed to Covid without the hospital providing any proof. And since they had all the leeway in the world to not be obliged to hand over the bodies without first wrapping them completely, no one could tell the difference.
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 16:28
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Those that are convinced of a pandemic narrative will ignore the question you asked. I asked the same twice. This isn't just online but anyone I speak to who brings this up I ask that question. I even show them the official government stats and just like how it was ignored when I posted it earlier in this thread, they ignore it in person as well. And most likely your question will be ignored as well.

I posted a video of testimonies of nurses and also one of government officials literally giving the reason of why so called "Covid deaths" are high. Yet the ones convinced will still ask, "So why are there so many deaths?"

No one posted about wiping out population yet they'll imply that's what we're saying. fod1083 is bang on, it's definitely working on the masses. When factual data and testimonies are ignored, you know it's working.

@Concerned, abdurrahman and Doctor abuzayd, we are NOT THE EXPERTS. Don't waste your time asking us as if we are the experts. We share the information, we raise questions, some give possible reasons but not as facts. Follow the information and make your own judgements. Or since you are absolutely sure it's real, why not answer our questions please? Do face masks stop the virus? Does it help even 1%? Has it been tested in labs to work in any way whatsoever? Where's the data? Which Masaajid reported so many deaths? Which months? Did they carry out procedures in the same way and on same time frame as previous years so it doesn't overwhelm and look like there's lots of deaths compared to before? Where's the data?
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 16:33
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What is "extra people" - Extra people compared to what? How many deaths were there before? Is it a new ward? How can you say extra when it's a new ward? "Extra" implies there's an initial set quantity and "extra" would be above that number. If it's a new ward since covid wasn't around before then what do you mean by "extra people being killed"?

Did you watch the last video in OP? That would have answered the "dying" part of your question. Did you read the OP at all? Those are the experts, abu mohammed is not.
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 17:43
1. Covid exists
2. People are affected.
3. Old age with chronological diseases are worst affected.
4. Medical industry is exploiting the pandemic. It is gold mine for them. They have stopped other branches. Even cardiology department is deployed for covid. No receipts, no insurance. Worst exploitation.
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 17:54
Please do not start posts with a number, it appears blank. If this happens, select edit and then immediately select update. The post will appear.
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 18:15
Salaam.

I don't know if covid (the way it's being portrayed) is real or not. I keep getting doubts either way.

But what is real is the way it's being handled. Huge changes are being made to society and this is what concerns me. Governments will never fail to take advantage of something if they can.


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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 18:20
Whenever the apocalypse comes, I'm going to make sure I cast my lot in with brother super glue. When things get wild you know he's going to be one of the few who are going to pull through. He's tough as nails, and that makes him a better mu'min.

Humor aside, you're absolutely right, brother super glue. We should all look at the data and ask questions and draw our own conclusions.

You do raise some interesting questions.
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2020 18:53
Question to all.

How many people died of covid 19 in homes in any country.

Please provide stats of these deaths, from any nation.

Any death at home could've easily be written off as covid 19 and there have been many people who have rejected this.

One goes into hospital for a hip operation and dies of the virus after full recovery - old age!

Elderly housebound didn't come into contact with anyone for months and fell ill. Ambulance took him away and declared he had a virus which he caught from someone else, even though he never went or saw anyone. They diagnosed him with the virus within minutes! Otherwise, people had to wait a few days for their results. He was put on the vent and died a few hours later.


One man on my street said his auntie fell at home and suffered cardiac arrest. The ambulance took her away and wrote COVID-19 as the cause of death. How many more written off like this and how many families simply walked away accepting it without question?
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