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#91 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 08:02

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It is about believing or rejecting conspiracy theories of some Maulawis having no authority in Physics.

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3000+ architects, hundreds of cgi/composite experts are not Mawlawis I can assure you. But that won't mean anything to you as you're infatuated with the official terrorist and criminal Kuffar government's explanation of bespoke physics that only applies to 9/11. No amount of evidence will suffice for you. You should take your leave to a more suitable platform of the ones you follow like reddit, Twitter, YouTube or Facebook.

And then later on you say no one asked me to leave.

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We won't stop sharing the truth and it'll probably make you sick.

Truth can indeed make one sick sometime.
Your faith in conspiracy theories is one such truth.

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So my advice for your mental health is to join those who you follow in this world and pray that you're not raised with them in the hereafter.

There are insults from common people.
Then there are insults from Maulawis.
The latter ones are a level or two above the former.
I do not intend to bear your company for long.
Of course you shorten my stay but I have not given you any cause for that.

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#92 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 08:40

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I am not surprised in the least, because outside of deeni majalis which I am most comfortable in, I too am most at home in the company of the mostly non Muslim experts in my area of expertise.

But look at our chosen set of Maulawis. They are convinced that people like us will be raised with the Kuffar.

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When I was far from deen, I thought maulvis knew nothing. When Allah Taala brought me closer to deen, I understood the high status of maulvis.

This is a juncture where few points can be clarified.
(1) Masha-ikh like Mufti Taqi Usmani Sahab DB believe that in technical matters experts should be consulted. Mawlawis like Mr Yasin believe that he knows more Physics than Physics people.
(2) The perception of common people that Maulawis know nothing is just that - a perception of common people. Till a few years ago I too had the same perception. This is why every time someone calls me a Mawlawi I cringe. I have been called a Maulawi five times.
(3) Mukhtar Masood was an Aligarian and a commissioner in Pakistan when he called Maulana Obaidullah Bukhari RA to talk about Aligarh vs Deoband approaches to the problems of Muslim Ummah.
Basically former was trying to communicate to latter that Aligarh saw some success, that is the creation of Pakistan, while Deoband did not.
(4) Maulana Obaidullah Bukhari RA said that talented man pool of Ummah went to Aligarh and the Madarsa was left with the third rate mind. These are Maulana Obaidullah Bukhari RA's words as quoted by Mukhtar Masood in his very famous book called Awaz-e-Dost.
(5) Today only a minor correction can be made to Maulana's observation. Not everyone associated with the Madarsa is a third rate mind. But social structure of Ummah is such that good minds are not spared for Deen's work.
(6) That a sharp mind like Harris Hammam is spotted among Mawlawis is an exception and let us not forget that his priority was a communication firm in the Gulf that he must have been kicked out of because of not fitting there.
(7) My professional field is Physics. Physics is among most challenging academic field. I long time back chose a branch that is most difficult one. But then I realized a few years ago that all so called public intellectuals belong to the faculty of humanities and social sciences. After my stint at SF and MS i have realized that in some sense social, cultural and political issues are much more difficult to solve than Physics problems. Hence the glory that society allots to the public intellectuals is justified.
(8) Problems of Deen are much more difficult to solve than the problems of social, political and economic sciences. Sadly our Ulama do not get that much of respect as the so called public intellectuals. That the Kuffar hate our Ulama is not the issue here. We Muslims ourselves do not give that much respect to Ali Miyan RA as we do to, say Professor Irfan Habib of my university.
(9) By moving in Jama-at, Madarsa and Sufi circles I realized that the hierarchy is in the following decreasing order - Sufi, Maulana, Jama-ati.
(10) Just because a few Mawlawis have hurled abuses at me does not mean any dissociation with Mauwlawis in general and no disconnection with Deoband.

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I know many college undergraduates who tell me a postgraduate education is useless. I know many secular people who tell me maulvis are useless.

I have tried, ya akhi, to put the things in perspective as I believe at the moment.

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Someone who has not worked in professional research can never fathom Maripat Sahab's expertise.

I have mostly kept my professional field away from the discussions here. Yet people like Mr Yasin have managed to find at least one element of pride in my disposition. He has not been kind enough to bring it forth.

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I only listen to maulvis in their proven field of expertise, as I do with all other professionals in their proven respective fields.

That is my philosophy too. Please do not allow three or four Mauwlawis here to undermine your confidence.

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For years in my youth, I was wholly taken in by slick presentations on certain contentious topics. It was only after being exposed to a rigorous professional research environment that I learnt how to sift through information and separate the authentic from the dubious. I owe that aspect of my development to the harsh critical cross examination of my reasearch advisors. Someone who has not been through that grinding mill cannot possibly understand what professional research is all about.

Not everybody at MS is Mr Yasin. Only two or three more are there. Sadly the total active strength of the forum at the moment is only slightly more than that.

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#93 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 08:48

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Neither of you are in any position to judge Aalims.

The comment is not addressed to me but it is applicable to me too nevertheless. Hence I must respond.
Dear Maulawi we have to judge the Maulawis because we have to take our Deen from them.

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Even though I can confirm you are right and I can say that most Aalims are not Aalim Baa Amal and nor are many clued on about worldly matters which they should be, ...

The issue is not of Aalim-ba-Amal or Aalim-be-Amal. Issue is of a Maulawi not trained in Physics trying to over smart professional Physics assessment using 3000 conspiracy theorists.

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... according to your own lies about following experts which you have proven not to with the reason that you are in no position to deny the experts lies, the same applies here. You are in no position to judge Aalims (who you call Maulvees in an almost derogatory way).

Mawlawi you lost. Live with it.

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#94 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 08:55

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Akhi have you gone through the 9/11 conspiracy theory page of Wikipedia? Last time I checked it was huge and now it certainly must be bigger. Whenever I was faced with a video difficult to explain I always found an answer in that page. At some point of time I stopped taking conspiracy theories seriously. All the work that I have been doing has lost only exhausted me and therefore I shall not be able to work with you and sort out the doubts that you have. My apologies for that. I do love you for the sake of Allah and you are among those whom I shall miss. And I am not worried that I shall not be judged with Mumins like Mr Yasin because I shall be judged with Mumins like you.

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#95 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 09:27

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No I don't use Wiki for that!

It is well known that the CIA use this for their gain. If you have been using wiki to gain knowledge, then it will be what they want you to see in such cases. Basic wiki bio's etc is a different case.

I just googled this now, as I typed and on the first page I found these articles. I'm only sharing these 2 articles so they cannot be dismissed as "CT"

CIA, FBI computers used for Wikipedia edits
www.reuters.com/article/us-security-wikipedia-idUSN164289...

Wikipedia 'shows CIA page edits'
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6947532.stm

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We need to understand 3 simple rules to grasp who works as Iblees' henchmen.

Lesson 1:
War is good for Business!

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Keeping a Low Profile!

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A businessman always protects his interests by playing both sides!

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And I am not worried that I shall not be judged with Mumins like Mr Yasin because I shall be judged with Mumins like you.

This worries me deeply, for me and for you!

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#96 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 10:28

This is a whole new topic and should really be split away!

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Colonel Sahab's ban should also soon be coming to an end and I sincerely hope he too returns to the forum to post. A generation of young Muslims owe their Islam to him

He can sign up again if he wishes. However, according to Wifaqul Ulama, he has also left them!

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There was a storm on SF called Harris Hammam. I was affected by that greatly. Our young Maulawis were affected much more. In my life I had weathered four more such storms.

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Harris Hammam is a bad character but being an insider he knew every single weakness of our young Maulawis and used them ruthlessly. Yet I did not have a single point on which I could confront him. Being a Maulawi he knew how return the insults.

We should have looked at those points and proven them not to be weaknesses!

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It is about believing or rejecting conspiracy theories of some Maulawis having no authority in Physics.

This is an assumption, see next quote

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When I was far from deen, I thought maulvis knew nothing. When Allah Taala brought me closer to deen, I understood the high status of maulvis.

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Look what happened to Yasir Qadhi and what about Occam's razor?

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Even in this particular thread, his default response was to deescalate and admit defeat, yet the brothers continued to question him.

Admitting defeat would mean to openly say that the Muslilms did not do 9/11 as it was physically impossible. What we saw was beyond any technology we know of unless seen in movies.

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If we push away all those who are well wishers of the ummah because we do not see eye to eye on certain limited topics, how can we ever expect unity in the broader ummah? Those who wield power are under the greatest pressure to show the most magnanimity.

Exactly!
This is not directed to any member on here but think about what you've just said!
My children come home from school and they tell me what they've learnt and then I show them an alternative. They hold their head in shock.

What this forum is providing us with is a position we need to take and teach. Otherwise, our children will believe we came from apes, Jesus is the son of god, santa is real, Muslim's did 9/11, Palestine is fake, Taliban are American agents, Hindu's are our friends and the list goes on. Clearly, we have got our priorities messed up!

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I seek refuge with Allah Taala if I have ever given you the impression that I mean anything derogatory by the use of the word maulvi. My grandfather is known with great admiration in my ancestral village as Maulvi Abdul Haq RA.

Maulvi and all the other terms might be used commonly in India and Pakistan, but here in the UK it is not used as a respectful term.

A questioner referred to Ulama as Molvi's and Mufti Amjad asked if it was being used in a derogatory way! (It is considered as taking the mickey out of Ulama by some Ulama)

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Brother Yasin, does this mean I can also post things I am 100% sure about, even if it might not be 100% right?

Although this is directed to Yasin, I would say, I don't see why not. But before you do, I would prefer if you could debunk any of the information already provided. This will show that, MashaAllah, you are capable of sifting through right and wrong and coming to the correct conclusion. Maybe you can open threads in the debates section so it is kept very private. I'm sure, if any truth is found in it, it will be shared in public. So get working on those topics already discussed.

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Masha-ikh like Mufti Taqi Usmani Sahab DB believe that in technical matters experts should be consulted

JazakAllah. But does anyone even know who they are talking to? Yasin has mentioned his expertise many times before and proven it. Asaaghir has mentioned his qualifications, albeit camouflaged with others, and shown us inside information/knowledge that no one else can or has. I myself am a qualified engineer and have worked in the field of engineering, fault finding, planing, etc for over 25 years. So I'm sure, we should all agree that we are not speaking out of inexperience.

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#97 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 10:46

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Truth can indeed make one sick sometime

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#98 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 11:14

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I myself am a qualified engineer and have worked in the field of engineering, fault finding, planing, etc for over 25 years.

Which is why if you have an opinion on planning and fault finding in your professional field of expertise, I would take it very seriously.

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#99 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 13:51

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Akhi have you gone through the 9/11 conspiracy theory page of Wikipedia?

We all have. The difference is we saw the lies in it. You got brainwashed.

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And then later on you say no one asked me to leave.

I didn't ask you to leave. How can you possibly understand 9/11 truths when you don't understand basic English. Abdur Rahman Ibn Awf also said the same thing and ignored my question where I "told" you to leave.

My words were, "you should take your leave."

"Should" is for recommendation, not a command. So no one was told to leave.

The fact you call it 'conspiracy theory' when it's proven facts and backed by science and physics laws it shows you and sharjan are deeply brainwashed and I'll just say لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ

The evidence is on the forum if you want to challenge it. The evidence are from major experts and if you feel your the Lord of physics then by all means, publish your papers.

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#100 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 13:56

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This worries me deeply, for me and for you!

I got the message sir.

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#101 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 14:13

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We should have looked at those points and proven them not to be weaknesses!

It was about Deen and the Deen part has to be taken care of by the Ulama. They proved not to be upto the mark.

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When I was far from deen, I thought maulvis knew nothing. When Allah Taala brought me closer to deen, I understood the high status of maulvis.

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My assumption is not proved wrong.

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JazakAllah. But does anyone even know who they are talking to?

I am sure or at least hope that they are not talking to conspiracy theorists.

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Yasin has mentioned his expertise many times before and proven it.

I missed that. Bring it on again.

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Asaaghir has mentioned his qualifications, albeit camouflaged with others, and shown us inside information/knowledge that no one else can or has.

Since I do not follow the conspiracy theory thread I have missed that.
Please bring it on again and briefly.

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I myself am a qualified engineer and have worked in the field of engineering, fault finding, planing, etc for over 25 years. So I'm sure, we should all agree that we are not speaking out of inexperience.

Engineers do not mess up with Physics people. You can try.

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#102 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 14:23

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We all have. The difference is we saw the lies in it. You got brainwashed.

I did not get brain washed by conspiracy theories. You did.

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How can you possibly understand 9/11 truths when you don't understand basic English.

In that case why are you even trying to convert me to your side?

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My words were, "you should take your leave."

"Should" is for recommendation, not a command. So no one was told to leave.

Make up your mind.

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The fact you call it 'conspiracy theory' when it's proven facts and backed by science and physics laws it shows you and sharjan are deeply brainwashed and I'll just say لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ

(1) I was not the originator of the phrase conspiracy theory but I admit I do not believe in them.
(2) Whether 9/11 was an insider job is not a part of our Deen. The irony is that I have to tell this to a Maulawi.

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The evidence is on the forum if you want to challenge it. The evidence are from major experts and if you feel your the Lord of physics then by all means, publish your papers.

No I am not Lord of Physics but a Maulawi trying to teach me Physics is certainly an insult to my intelligence.

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#103 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 14:34

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derision and animosity being directed towards ......brothers who are trying to expose the duplicity of the kuffar ....

I deny everything.
I only disagree with them and I do not believe they are exposing Kuffar.
Figuratively the Kuffar came to your court saying that your brother Osama bin Laden 9/11 to us and you and your brothers replied that you did it yourself.

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It is ridiculous that the Muslim Ummah is completely confused about where their loyalties should lie,...

Haza Buhtan.

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....but then wonders how will a bunch of Muslims get misguided by Dajjal, when the answer is right in front of us, clear as day. Dajjal is about causing confusion in the hearts and minds and we are exhibiting those very symptoms even before his emergence into mainstream.

The Dajjal analogy was applicable in case of what Harris Hammam was doing to those half a dozen young Maulawis. You guys failed miserably there. Now using the conspiracy theories of the same Kuffar you are trying to prove Allah(SWT)-Knows-Whom. I had bowed out of it at the first sign.

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#104 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 14:48

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Brainwashed is the correct term here, yes. I think you understand this as well that bughuz such as this doesn't just happen overnight. It's always been there, simmering under the facade. It's just getting exposed now.

This is why the kuffar are not happy when Muslims don't "integrate". When Muslims don't blindly follow their ways and methods. They know very well that the very structures of kuffar contain such Satanic elements that if not today, not tomorrow, then even if it's a hundred years from now, there will come a time when disillusionment from Islam and those who propagate it will rear its head in their hearts.

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#105 [Permalink] Posted on 14th March 2022 14:52

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Brother Maripat was called out on his belief that Muslims are to blame, even for Palestine!

At the moment I am not getting the reference to Palestine but on 9/11 I plead guilty. I do not believe the conspiracy theories that you people including one engineer here are trying to shove through my throat.

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He wants to leave and said he'd leave. It's his call. No one telling him to leave. If this thread was in the open public section, I'm sure it wouldn't have looked this bad.

Have it in the open then. Face the Kuffar and tell them that they killed 3000 of their men an women themselves.

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He does not have to accept any findings.

I called him out because of his belief in the lies and then sharing them as if they were true.

I wanted to show my brother that basic physics are lies based on his understanding.

Either physics is wrong and what they teach are all lies, or they say they agree, what we were shown was lies. But instead, "I concede" with no explanation!

Among those 3000 so called experts there could be some Physics people also. Why don't you people go and join them? Sorry brother I am not available for your dirty laundry.

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My brother can continue and share as long as he wants, no one is stopping him but himself!

I do not belong to the company of conspiracy theorists.

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But if I see my other brothers being blamed in the basis of lies, I will stand up for them and I don't care who is in front of me, be it you, ....

That is most brave ya akhi. I am not telling any lie. The US told something and you are telling something. Prima facie you do not seem to be on right.

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A lie is a lie and this question and the answer proves newton's theory that it was a lie.

The only way the Muslims could've carried out 9/11 would be with the aid of the Djinn and Magic.

Otherwise, there was no way my brothers in islam could've done 9/11

Why don't you live your life with that belief. Why are you people trying to convince me? The reason is clear that you people are trying to push falsehood - a conspiracy theory.

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