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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 17th February 2022 16:58

Professor Maripat, I have known you online for many years just I have known many other members from SF and MS.

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you have stated you are a mathematical physicist and that you should once in a while talk about the relevance of your field of expertise. So I would like to take you up and assist you on that chance (take your time - I appreciate you are very busy)

I have a question regarding Newtons 3rd Law of Motion. My question is very relevant in response to a post you did which is no longer there.

You made a comment which upset me very much in the sense that someone of your calibre could say such a thing. I believe I know which thread this was in, but I won't mention it at the moment because;
1: I can't find it and
2: Because you will know what I am getting to.

So, I request you to explain to me and others, some basics about the 3rd law.

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Sir Isaac Newton, the great English physicist and mathematician, developed a wealth of new mathematics to solve problems in physics • Most mathematical physicists will spend their time researching ideas that will help further our understanding of how things work

Once I have grasped what you have told me/us about the 3rd law, I will humbly ask you to give me 5 more minutes of your time to help me answer a long-time bugging question. I may just pass one more exam :)

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 17th February 2022 17:24

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You made a comment which upset me very much in the sense that someone of your calibre could say such a thing. I believe I know which thread this was in, but I won't mention it at the moment because;
1: I can't find it

You can PM me the contents and I'll try and find it and PM it back to you.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 18th February 2022 04:22

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To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
This is Newton's third law.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 18th February 2022 11:36

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I know which thread it was in but I think I will leave it out for now.

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Excellent, but this is already known. Anyway, I appreciate the response on a very vague question.

The actual question is of understanding.

I'm not good at this and I should leave it to the experts who know how to make everyone follow each step of the way until the final question is asked. So I'll skip to the end :( well almost :)

How would anyone explain Newton was wrong and we can prove it to be wrong!
According to Newtons 3rd Law of Motion. When one object collides with another, each receives an equal force in opposite direction. It doesn't matter which one is moving and which one is holding still.

So, if I hit a tea cup hurling towards me with a bat, each receives an equal force in the opposite direction at the time of impact but because the bat has a greater mass, it will push the tea cup back at the same speed it was coming at and would potentially shatter the cup to tiny pieces. (Is that a correct understanding?)

But if I threw the tea cup at the bat and the bat was stationary, the same maths and force would apply and the tea cup would break and fall down, correct?

In another scene, if the bat is a solid, the cup would not go through unless it was a tennis racket. So if the cup was thrown at force and velocity at the stationary racket, the cup would either bounce off (due to the strings and flexibility), break into pieces and some of the pieces of glass would get through the racket. But it would not be possible for the cup to pierce through the racket and exit the other end without it breaking and falling off where the impact was made. Correct?

Following Newtons law, all of the above makes sense right?

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 18th February 2022 14:25

It seems to me that you are more or less on the right track.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 18th February 2022 14:38

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If you may now give me those 5 minutes I asked for in the OP

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Once I have grasped what you have told me/us about the 3rd law, I will humbly ask you to give me 5 more minutes of your time to help me answer a long-time bugging question.

To be fair, you don't even have to give me 5 minutes. You can skip this video to 2 minutes 40 seconds and watch for 2 minutes and we have proof that.....
www.bitchute.com/video/l5oF9L1O5Iy3/
....You and Newton were wrong!

As I said, I'm not as good as others in doing this type of breakdown but I hope you will change your stance on who did what!

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 18th February 2022 14:56

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Professor Maripat, I have known you online for many years just I have known many other members from SF and MS.

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As I said, I'm not as good as others in doing this type of breakdown but I hope you will change your stance on who did what!

I hereby concede defeat.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 18th February 2022 14:57

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Please elaborate.

Concede defeat to what?

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 18th February 2022 15:03

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Please elaborate.

Concede defeat to what?

I am utterly and completely incapable of explaining Physics to brother Asaghir.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 18th February 2022 15:16

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So you accept that what we saw in the video was physically impossible? You and Newton are not wrong, but what the eyes saw was not real!

I can share another few seconds of eye witness accounts who were looking at the 2nd tower when the explosion took place and whilst talking to the news presenters, but it was them that saw the plane hit and then the explosion, live on tv and again the person on the ground says, no, he did not see a plane!

This is also evidence that the people on the ground did not see a plane, they saw the explosion as was said live on tv. a brilliantly manipulated video that was only broadcast by a few select stations.

A job well done and as Abu Muhammad said in a previous post, "It's a rich mans trick" and I believe he's referring to very long and old documentary which mentions a bit about the attack.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 18th February 2022 15:29

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A job well done and as Abu Muhammad said in a previous post, "It's a rich mans trick" and I believe he's referring to very long and old documentary which mentions a bit about the attack.

Yes, it was a title to some facts and how they were pulled off, but the video was more than 3 hours long :( too much for me to take in and get to the 911 portion.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 18th February 2022 16:12

Newton was wrong. The modern day's pseudo science has more advanced methods of arriving at the right conclusions.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 19th February 2022 13:50

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Asaaghir only or to anyone?

Does the law not apply on 9/11? Is that day an exception for physics?

Are you happy with the velocity explanation that a tin plane can disappear inside steal reinforced concrete and then take a sharp turn once inside?

Do you disagree with the 3,000+ architects and engineers or do you go against the experts and believe 18 men with box cutters took down 3 entire buildings that's never collapsed in history from fires. Even that at freefall? Where building 7 wasn't even touched but that too came down?

So is it just Asaaghir you can't explains physics to or you can't explain 9/11 physics period? Please clarify. Jzk.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 19th February 2022 14:26

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Asaaghir only or to anyone?

The Maulawi class has very troublesome attitude towards Science in general and Physics in particular. Hence my difficulty is not specific about Asaaghir.
For example more than a decade ago there was this line in an editorial of the Phulat monthly the Armughan that Science is useless because in Spain Muslims were at the top in Science and yet we lost that country.
The Maulawi uses benefits of science with gay abandon but he is firmly entrenched in the belief that his Ilm is Ilm but my Science, my Physics, is just some sundry info.

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Does the law not apply on 9/11? Is that day an exception for physics?

Newton's first law says that a moving body will keep moving with same velocity unless an external force acts on it and changes the state of motion. The change in state of motion includes change of speed as well as direction.

Then let us take our personal example. When moving we change speed and direction according to our will without any external force acting on us.

So what happened to Newton's first law?
This is a good question but sadly this has not been analysed by the Physics community.
The question being a valid one can not be ignored.

Similarly many of the questions that are asked about 9/11 are valid ones.

Then there was another valid objection to application of Newton's third law to social life.

Narendra Modi, who is at the moment the Prime Minister of India, explained the pogrom of Muslims that he facilitated in 2002 in Gujrat as reaction to an action.

No body accepted this as a valid explanation or rather a valid excuse.

But this still leaves out the question whether Newton's law are valid or suspended.

Answer : Newton's laws still hold good and these are not suspended.

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Are you happy with the velocity explanation that a tin plane can disappear inside steal reinforced concrete and then take a sharp turn once inside?

I am a theoretical physicist and the question is about practical case and hence my answer will perhaps not be the best. Yet I shall stick my neck out.

There have been many recorded incidents of birds hitting bodies of the planes including the engines.

The damage this kind of episode does to the plane is enormous. A pigeon can damage the whole engine.
Those who analyse these incidents do not complain about small birdie doing disproportionate damage.
The bird has small mass but huge momentum due to high velocity and the damage is further compounded if the collision is head on because then it is the relative velocity that decides the momentum and the energy released in the collision.

The damage done by a pigeon to a plane engine is perfectly understandable.

A plane disappearing into the steal frame tower of world trade center is absolutely understandable for me -this lowly Science-wala who has no Ilm and brother Asaaghir and other Maulawis having all the Ilm notwithstanding.

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Do you disagree with the 3,000+ architects and engineers or do you go against the experts and believe 18 men with box cutters took down 3 entire buildings that's never collapsed in history from fires.

I had seen that 3000 architects and engineers video about a decade ago. I do not believe any one of them.
The issue is certainly about engineering and technology but it is about disaster engineering. If an engineer who has expertise in vehicle crashing experiments says the same thing then I shall be very glad to argue with him but not with brother Asaaghir.

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Even that at freefall? Where building 7 wasn't even touched but that too came down?

There was no free fall but collapse.
Building 7 coming down also does not create any doubts in my mind.

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So is it just Asaaghir you can't explains physics to or you can't explain 9/11 physics period? Please clarify. Jzk.

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 19th February 2022 16:09

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Absolute definition of brainwashed. I'm sorry you're so beyond fooled that you cannot even understand your own contradictions and absurdity of cartoon physics and animations.

I just wanted to be sure by asking some simple questions before I kept an eye on your uneducated knowledge in this matter.

You believe in your own words that a tiny insignificant pigeon can cause huge damage to engines. Made from flesh and tiny bones. We've seen photos and videos, yes there is evidence. Physics confirms this. It can be replicated. Then at the same time, you believe this same fragile plane that could not withstand flesh and bones penetrated a steel reinforced concrete building like a hot knife through butter and clearly fell FREE FALL shown with a timer accurate to 1/1000th second and claiming it wasn't when you can observe it.

If you think that is science then this is a perfect example of how Allah can use the same knowledge to guide those whom he wills and how he can lead astray to a dangerous dark reality where pride and arrogance is all that surrounds him and he cannot even fathom basic stupidity.

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