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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2015 23:05
Asalam o Alaikum, Brothers.

I am a married 31 year old man and can't learn deen from a madrassah. The best option I have got is darasat e denia of two years in a local masjid. However, I can't further study there as the timings are not suitable for me as I have to give time to my family too. So apart from studying the darasat e denia course I want to learn deen from bayanaat.

Since there are so many ulema belonging to the Deoband school of thought whose bayans are available on the net. I don't know how many should I listen to. Also I believe that each alim is a master in his own field. For instance Maulana Tariq Jameel and Maulana Saad in Dawah, Shaykh Zulifiqar Ahmad in Tassawuf etc. What I need to ask is that I want to listen Ulema in five major fields of Islam.
1. Tabligh,
2. Ilm (Quran o Sunnat, Correct Aqaid, Khatam e Nabuwat and Defense of Sahaba RA and Radd of Batil Aqaid)
3. Tassawuf
4. Jihad.
5. Islamic History

However, I am also aware that ulema do make mistakes in some rulings out of political pressure or because of human error. For instance, some ulema advocate Islamic banking where as it is Ribba banking and not Islamic in any sense. And many ulema declare democracy as according to Islam where as it is kufr according to some ulema.

Since this is the time of great fitna, I want your advice which ulema to listen who are most authentic in each field. How many to listen. Should I stick to one alim in each field and exhaust all the material created by him or should I listen to more than one alim in each field. If more than one alim then how many.

Also are bayans enough or should I also read books written by prominent ulema..
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 04:30
This is not a Fiqh Q&A support questions. Thread moved to Tech & General Support
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 05:18
You sound a beginner, since you say that you want to learn deen.
And then you issue a "fatwa" saying that "some ulema advocate Islamic banking where as it is Ribba banking and not Islamic in any sense".

Amazing.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 05:37
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Brother, I am no one to issue a fatwa. Other ulema have issued fatwas that Islamic Banking is not Islamic...

Also have heard from another person that Jamia Ashrafia has rejected Islamic banking as authentic.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 05:38
Also from an alim of Jamia Ashrafia involved in the work of Tabligh told me that "Islamic banking is wrong" (mafhoom)when I asked that some ulema promote this concept...

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 05:38
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 06:37
I don't want to be harsh, but without knowing the background of the whole issue, and without understanding the evidences from both sides, a layman should not just dismiss something.

Secondly, Jamia Ashrafia supports Islamic Banking. Hazrat Maulana Sufi Sarwar Sahab (DB) is on the record.

Lastly, such issues should be asked from Muhaqqiq Ulema, and unfortunately, tableeghi ulema do not fall under this category.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 08:32
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If it's Islamic, it's right. If it's wrong then it's not Islamic banking.

Ulama who say it's Haram are referring to cases with Ribaa under the guise of "Shar'ee" or "Islamic"

The Ulamaa who agree with Islamic banking don't agree under political pressure (which by the way makes no sense) but they agree because it's the actual Halaal method hence Shar'ee compliant.

The Ulamaa who say it's Haraam say so because the method in question is most likely Haraam.

So without an understanding of all cases, methods and circumstances of questions to which rulings are given its very irresponsible to simply say some disagree and some make mistakes. Thus subtly indicating you already know what is right and what is a mistake meaning wrong.

So since you claim to know better than Ulamaa why do you need to study? Do you see how easy it was to turn your statement so negative?

Some Ulamaa say marriage is Haraam. are they wrong? The reality is without knowing the question and situation of the question you simply cannot judge an answer so easily.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 10:16

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W-Salam,

Your question makes no sense.

Islamic Knowledge is not a Degree or a diploma which you pursue in order of Academic excellence. You acquire Islamic Knowledge to please Allah (SWT) and to become a Servant of Allah (SWT), you don’t keep on piling information!

You need to evaluate your life and figure what is Fardh (obligation) upon YOU and start gaining that knowledge from any Authentic Ulama, you don’t need to go to the Best Alim in the World to learn Salah, you just need to make sure that you learn your Salah (properly).

If you have no Business in Islamic Banking there is no reason for you to stick your nose into it and meddle into matters in which Ulama differ.

Mufti Abu Bilal has an opinion and he has the right to have an opinion as a “Mufti”. YOU are a layman (in your right) so you can simply choose to make Taqleed and not an expert on anything.

Accept that you are a Layman, make Taqleed and that will be good Insha'Allah

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 10:42
I'd recommend Maulana Tariq Jameel, and Maulana Mohammad Yasir for Tabligh.

Dr Yasir Qadhi for Islamic history.

Jihad, Maulana Zahir Mahmood.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 12:19
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Asalam o alaikum, Thanks to all brothers who corrected me. However, I want to mention here one thing, there was a very great mufti who called army men killed in Operation Silence in Lal masjid as Shaheed.

archive.org/details/Jundullah_ShariatyaShahadat_Urdu Look at 5.33 to 5.44

Wafaq ul Madaris deserted sisters in Lal masjid. Tablighi Jamaat, Khanqahi brothers, Ulema all deserted them.

I also want to mention that Darul uloom Deoband India has declared even Afghan Taliban Movement as against Islam...

I respect all the ulema even if I disagree to some of their views but I don't worship them as did the Bani Israel... So in some instances there is indeed some kind of government pressure... May be in Islamic banking issue I used the wrong word..

Any ways. I don't want to get in any kind of debate. These are my views and if anyone feelings are hurt I apologize...

They have taken their scribes and their monks as lords besides Allah, and also Christ, Mary’s son; though they were commanded to worship only the One God, there is no god except Him; He is far too immaculate to have any partners that they ascribe [to Him]! At Tawbah . 31
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 12:39
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W-Salam,

If you already know the answer, understand the details then why ask questions like you are looking for guidance and then begin to critique when others advise you?

Why ask about matters which you already know the answers to???
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 14:51
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Ok brother Muadh Khan, My main question was how to gain knowledge if I can't go to Madrassah and also how to avoid from fitnah. Islamic banking was an example which I gave (wrong example I admit) but the main reason of that example was that I wanted to avoid fitnah.

I got my answer. It seems I don't need to listen to bayanaat. Just learn the deen from local masjid ulema and learn only the part which applies on me. This is the conclusion I got from your replies. Jazak Allah khair for clearing my mind and correcting me.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 14:59
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learn only the part which applies on me.

This is only correct if you take in your entire daily routine and work on every aspect of it and not just the Faraaid.

So think about every aspect of your life from waking up, washing, eating, working, socialising, earning, family, praying, fasting, donating, hajj, and so on. It's not just the basics, its what goes on to get there too.

An Alim once told me that little knowledge can lead to Hell - yet laypeople tell me not to go too deep into knowledge. There has to be balance which you can work on.

There is the right path, the left path and the middle path. There is Halal, Haram and doubtful. So you should educate yourself with the knowledge as knowledge is also the lost property of a believer.

Go to the Masjid, ask the Ulama, listen to lectures, read books and learn from authentic scholars.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 7th October 2015 15:05
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My dear and beloved Brother May Allah reward you for your desire, to gain knowledge for his sake, and May Allah grant you barakah in your endeavours ameen.

Insha'Allah do not be disheartened, it is the nature of the internet that sometimes when we are discussing various issues our replies can inadvertently come across as unduly harsh.

The audio Bayaans usually are there to inspire, an individual but if we wish to improve ourselves it is better
to find a local Ustadh from to learn, things such as Tajweed, perfection of Salaah etc. You probably also need Islahi Ta'Aluq with someone to seek guidance as far as Islah goes.

And Allah knows best.

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