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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 20th October 2014 19:20
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I don't know anyone who eats it with the shells except some Chinese people, we've always peeled them before eating them
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd October 2014 17:21
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Here some peel of the heads and fry them separately. crunch...crunch
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd October 2014 05:35
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If you have options of eating some thing else then why not use it instead of getting into the trouble..
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd October 2014 08:54
It has to be removed before cooking.
Thats how ladies in our family do. If its not removed, you will have a stinking smell
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd October 2014 15:32
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Here in our place, after cleaning when we look at the prawns, they are close to spotless white.
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 24th October 2014 04:12
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Please see the first link in the first post of this thread. Personally, I do not eat shrimp for the same reason you said. Also, I've read from quite a few `Ulamaa' that one should not eat them (or better not to eat them). You can do a search for "prawns" yourself on AskImam. However, seeing Mufti A.H. Elias's information on his website shows why someone might believe it is permissible to eat them.
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2017 10:58
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2017 12:49
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The impurities in the digestive tract of a fish have to be removed in order for the fish to become permissible to consume.

Where can I find a reference to this comment?

Not the link to ask imam, that's already there but the actual action of removing the digestive tract.

If the answer is in the Arabic of the fatwa, can it be reposted with the translation.
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2017 13:11

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www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/28622

My question pertains to permissibility of eating prawns or shrimps. I know that it is halal in some schools and haram in others depending upon whether prawns are considered fish or not. My question is that in the schools that consider eating prawns halal, is it permissible to eat prawns that have not been deveined?

Prawns have 2 visible veins in their body, 1 running along the back and one along its belly. The one one along the back is actually its digestive tract and is filled with partially digested food as well as feaces. The digestive tract can be removed (deveining) before cooking. However  if we eat a prawn in which the digestive tract has not been removed we would be consuming its feaces along with the flesh. Feaces is generally considered impure and haram. Would this also apply to prawn feaces? If so, then would it be permissible to eat a prawn whose digestive tract has not been removed before cooking?

 

Jazakallah for your advice.

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

As-salāmu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullāhi wa-barakātuh.

The impurities in the digestive tract of a fish have to be removed in order for the fish to become permissible to consume. This is more essential in small fishes where generally the digestive tract is not cleaned. Accordingly, the same ruling will apply to prawns if consumed based on the opinion of those ‘Ulamā who regard prawns as a fish. Therefore, it will be necessary to remove the digestive tract (a dark dorsal vein) before consuming. [1]

And Allah Ta’āla Knows Best

AbdulMannan Nizami

Student Darul Iftaa
Chicago, IL, USA
 

Checked and Approved by,
Mufti Ebrahim Desai.

www.daruliftaa.net



[1]
 وفي " الذخيرة ": لو وجد سمكة في بطن طائفة يؤكل، وإن كانت الطافية لا تؤكل. ولو وجد في حوصلة طائر يؤكل وعند الشافعي - رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ - لا يؤكل لأنه كالرجيع، ورجيع الطائر عنده نجس. قلنا: إنما يصير رجيعا إذا تغير. وفي السمك الصغار التي تقلى من غير أن يشق جوفها، قال أصحابنا: لا يحل أكله لأن رجيعته نجس. وعندنا وسائر أجزائه تحل

[البناية، كتاب الذبائح، السمك اذا مات بآفة، ج١١، ص٦١٥، دار الكتب العلمية]

 

قُلْت: وَفِي مِعْرَاجِ الدِّرَايَةِ: لَوْ وُجِدَتْ سَمَكَةٌ فِي حَوْصَلَةِ الطَّائِرِ تُؤْكَلُ. وَعِنْدَ الشَّافِعِيِّ لَا تُؤْكَلُ لِأَنَّهُ كَالرَّجِيعِ وَرَجِيعُ الطَّائِرِ عِنْدَهُ نَجِسٌ، وَقُلْنَا إنَّمَا يُعْتَبَرُ رَجِيعًا إذَا تَغَيَّرَ. وَفِي السَّمَكِ الصِّغَارِ الَّتِي تُقْلَى مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يُشَقَّ جَوْفُهُ، فَقَالَ أَصْحَابُهُ لَا يَحِلُّ أَكْلُهُ لِأَنَّ رَجِيعَهُ نَجِسٌ، وَعِنْدَ سَائِرِ الْأَئِمَّةِ يَحِلُّ

[رد المحتار، كتاب الذبائح، ج٦، ص٣٠٩، سعيد]

 

السمك الصغار كلها مكروهة كراهة التحريم هو الأصح

[جواهر الأخلاطي، كتاب الذبائح، ص٢٢٩/٢٨٧، مخطوط]

 

اس پر بندہ کو مدت سے اشکال تھا کہ مچھلی کا رجیع کیونکر حلال قرار دیا گیا؟ جواہر الاخلاطی کی نص کراہت تحریمہ سے اطمینان ہوا۔

حرمت سمک صغار کی علت یہ ہے کہ  آلاءش صاف کیٗ بغیر کھایٗ جاتی ہے اس  سے مراد متعین ہے گیٗ۔

[احسن الفتاوي، كتاب الصيد و الذبائح، ج٧، ص٣٨٩، سعيد]

 

سوال: و مچلی آلاءش بغیر دور کےٗ ہوے اس کے معدہ سمیت خشک کر لی جاتی ہے، اس کو کھانا درست ہے یا نہہں؟

جواب:اس کو شگاف دے کر دھو کر پاک کر کے کھانا درست ہے۔

[امداد الفتاوي، خشك مجلي كهانا، ج٤، ص١٠٤، مكتبة دار العلوم كراتشي]

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2017 13:18
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Brother, I already said:

Quote:
Not the link to ask imam, that's already there but the actual action of removing the digestive tract.

If the answer is in the Arabic of the fatwa, can it be reposted with the translation.


So can you translate the Arabic & Urdu too or provide evidence for cleaning the fish like that.
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2017 19:55
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وفي " الذخيرة ": لو وجد سمكة في بطن طائفة يؤكل، وإن كانت الطافية لا تؤكل. ولو وجد في حوصلة طائر يؤكل وعند الشافعي - رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ - لا يؤكل لأنه كالرجيع، ورجيع الطائر عنده نجس. قلنا: إنما يصير رجيعا إذا تغير. وفي السمك الصغار التي تقلى من غير أن يشق جوفها، قال أصحابنا: لا يحل أكله لأن رجيعته نجس. وعندنا وسائر أجزائه تحل

[البناية، كتاب الذبائح، السمك اذا مات بآفة، ج١١، ص٦١٥، دار الكتب العلمية]



قُلْت: وَفِي مِعْرَاجِ الدِّرَايَةِ: لَوْ وُجِدَتْ سَمَكَةٌ فِي حَوْصَلَةِ الطَّائِرِ تُؤْكَلُ. وَعِنْدَ الشَّافِعِيِّ لَا تُؤْكَلُ لِأَنَّهُ كَالرَّجِيعِ وَرَجِيعُ الطَّائِرِ عِنْدَهُ نَجِسٌ، وَقُلْنَا إنَّمَا يُعْتَبَرُ رَجِيعًا إذَا تَغَيَّرَ. وَفِي السَّمَكِ الصِّغَارِ الَّتِي تُقْلَى مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يُشَقَّ جَوْفُهُ، فَقَالَ أَصْحَابُهُ لَا يَحِلُّ أَكْلُهُ لِأَنَّ رَجِيعَهُ نَجِسٌ، وَعِنْدَ سَائِرِ الْأَئِمَّةِ يَحِلُّ

[رد المحتار، كتاب الذبائح، ج٦، ص٣٠٩، سعيد]



السمك الصغار كلها مكروهة كراهة التحريم هو الأصح

[جواهر الأخلاطي، كتاب الذبائح، ص٢٢٩/٢٨٧، مخطوط]



اس پر بندہ کو مدت سے اشکال تھا کہ مچھلی کا رجیع کیونکر حلال قرار دیا گیا؟ جواہر الاخلاطی کی نص کراہت تحریمہ سے اطمینان ہوا۔

حرمت سمک صغار کی علت یہ ہے کہ آلاءش صاف کیٗ بغیر کھایٗ جاتی ہے اس سے مراد متعین ہے گیٗ۔

[احسن الفتاوي، كتاب الصيد و الذبائح، ج٧، ص٣٨٩، سعيد]



سوال: و مچلی آلاءش بغیر دور کےٗ ہوے اس کے معدہ سمیت خشک کر لی جاتی ہے، اس کو کھانا درست ہے یا نہہں؟

جواب:اس کو شگاف دے کر دھو کر پاک کر کے کھانا درست ہے۔

[امداد الفتاوي، خشك مجلي كهانا، ج٤، ص١٠٤، مكتبة دار العلوم كراتشي]



In al-Dhakhīrah, it is written:

"If a fish is found in the belly of a bird, it may be eaten, even though the ṭāfiyah (fish which is found dead floating on the surface of the water) is not eaten. If it is found in the stomach of a bird, it may be eaten, and according to Imām al-Shāfiʿī (رحمه الله), it may not be eaten because it is like excrement. The excrement of birds is impure according to him. We say that it only becomes excrement when it undergoes change. With regard to small fish which are cooked without removing their insides, our companions (of the madhhab) say that it will not be permissible to eat because its excrement is impure. According to us, the rest of its parts are permissible to eat."

[al-Bināyah, Kitāb al-Dhabāʾiḥ, al-Samak idhā māta bi-āfah, Vol. 11, pg. 615, Dār al-Kutub al-ʿIlmiyyah]


"I say: In Miʿrāj al-Dirāyah, it is written: If a fish is found in the stomach of a bird, it may be eaten. According to al-Shāfiʿī (رحمه الله), it may not be eaten because it is like excrement and the excrement of a bird according to him is impure. We say that it will only be considered to be excrement when it undergoes change. With regard to small fish which are cooked without removing their insides, his companions (i.e. those of al-Shāfiʿī (رحمه الله)) say that it is not permissible to eat because its excrement is impure. According to the rest of the Imāms, it is permissible."

[Radd al-Muḥtār, Kitāb al-Dhabāʾiḥ, Vol. 6, pg. 309, H.M. Saʿīd]


"Small fish are all makrūh taḥrīmī; this is the most correct view."

[Jawāhir al-Akhlāṭī, Kitāb al-Dhabāʾiḥ, pgs. 229 & 287, manuscript]


"Regarding this, this humble servant experienced difficulty for a considerable period of time: why has the excrement of fish been determined to be ḥalāl? Satisfaction was found in the conclusion of karāhah taḥrīmiyyah from the text of Jawāhir al-Akhlāṭī.

The ʿillah (cause) for the impermissibility of small fish is that they are eaten without removing the filth. From this, the intent is determined."

[Aḥsan al-Fatāwā, Kitāb al-Ṣayd wa 'l-Dhabāʾiḥ, Vol. 7, pg. 389, H.M. Saʿīd]


Question: Is it permissible to eat the fish which has not had the filth removed and is dried with its stomach intact, or not?

Answer: After cutting opening the fish, washing it, and purifying it (i.e. removing the impurities), it will be permissible to eat.

[Imdād al-Fatāwā, Khushk machlī k'hānā, Vol. 4, pg. 104, Maktabah Dār al-ʿUlūm Karāchī]
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