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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 7th August 2014 17:54

As-salam-u-'Alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, Vanilla flavorings, like Vanillin, what dalail are given by Ulama who declare some types halaal?

Is Vanillin powder any different according to them?

I read in a fatwa, that the food product mustn't be consumed for leisure and entertainment. Is not edibles, where this is used, like chocolate, consumed for leisure!?

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 7th August 2014 18:42

Today we will find almost every other person consuming food for leisure/pleasure as well as normal consumption.

See here for further information foodguide.org.uk/index.php?page=viewquestion&id=200

Please note, the food section is not really for questions and answers. It is here for educational purposes and what ever research or findings we come across.

Anyone wanting more answers on food related topics should try www.foodguide.org.uk for reliable information (UK based)

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 24th August 2014 06:34

There is a difference between Vanillin and Vanilla: a good and brief read, Alhamdulillah, on: www.muslimconsumergroup.com/ingredients_description.html

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 24th August 2014 17:19

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Alhamdulillaah, I follow this site in America. It's not as hard as some people make it seem to avoid products without alcoholic flavorings. For people who have doubts about which side is stronger, I suggest at least trying to abstain from foods with alcoholic flavorings for a while.

The two articles/books below are the reason why I abstain:

www.themajlis.net/Sections-article242-p1.html

books.themajlis.net/node/287

Also, see this post by Muadh Bhai:

www.muftisays.com/forums/86-qa-support--fiqh/8677-incorre...

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 25th August 2014 05:31

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JazakAllahu khairan for sharing. But do you or any other brother have info on vanilla essence(manufactured and sold in Pakistan) and Vanillin powder used in a popular hazelnut/milky chocolate spread (Choco Bliss) of Young's food, Pakistan.

Also I read of an ingredient of Young's normal chocolate spread stating Vanillin (Natural flavor). This is confusing.

Wassalam.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 25th August 2014 12:35

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Did you ask the Ulama?

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 26th August 2014 03:03

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Asked one Mufti Ebrahim Desai's tudents, he told me to ask Mufti Desai himself.

Still unable to contact Mufti Ebrahim Desai for an explanation for a layman like me, due to an email sending failure to [email protected]

I assume it is a difference of opinions, as the MCG site seems in line with Mufti A S Desai's stance (as far as alcohol is concerned). Mufti A S Desai told me that:
(1) Vanilla is haraam. Alcohol is used in the process. Furthermore, it is made from different sources, all of which are not known to us. It is therefore necessary to abstain from products containing this substance.

(2) The same applies to vanillan powder.

On my personal research, Vanillin is cheap for manufacturers of foods; that which is derived from non-alcoholic processes (e.g. lignin), (found it to be commonly used, an info that I read on a site or maybe two or more)

Uptill now I haven't found a alcoholic version of Vanillin powder, but just to be cautious await some info on it.

Brothers I would like to clarify that, I am asking this because a lot of foods at my house has accumulated with such ingredients, and it is not good that it gets wasted due to ignorance.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 26th August 2014 04:53

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You may also contact Mufti Sheheryar Younus of Banuri Town, whose sheikh was Hadhrat Shah Hakeem Akhtar. Sister Muslim11 once gave me his e-mail address: [email protected]

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 26th August 2014 06:13

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What is the difference between Vanilla and Vanillin?
By Cybele May

When reading labels many people note the slight distinction between natural vanilla and vanillin. While vanillin is not necessarily artificial vanilla flavor, it is only one component of the complex vanilla bean.
What is the flavoring of vanilla?

Vanilla, as a flavoring, is always made from the vanilla bean. The vanilla bean is harvested as a long, thin, dark brown pod from the vanilla orchid. Vanilla extract contains high levels of vanillin which is an organic compound known as phenolic aldehyde. But true vanilla extract contains hundreds of other volatile compounds which also contribute to the flavor. These can vary from bean to bean, and from variety to variety, as vanilla has at least four main cultivars.

What is vanillin?

Vanillin is known as vanilla flavoring. The main component is the distinctive phenolic aldehyde that is the trademark flavor known as vanilla.

How is vanillin made?

There are several current industrial methods to make vanillin. Many extract vanillin from wood pulp, though it can also be purified from other orchids. Another method uses chemical synthesis from Eugenol, an extract of cloves or cinnamon as well as the vanilla bean itself.

Is vanillin artificial?

Vanillin is made from natural sources, but through a rather lengthy process. The key is that vanillin, as a compound, is found in many different places in nature, not just the vanilla bean. They key thing to remember about vanillin is that it is highly concentrated, and contains only one part of the vanilla bean's flavor profile. So in one way, it's very pure. In other way, it lacks complexity. So, vanillin is natural, but a highly processed ingredient.
Why is there such as difference in price?

Natural vanilla extract is made from the vanilla bean, which limited by its annual harvest. Vanillin can come from so many sources which are grown in so many different parts of the globe, it is easy to keep up with demand in mass quantities.
Should I prefer vanilla to vanillin?

Some taste test that have been performed by Cooks Illustrated and other editorial groups have shown that vanillin is preferred in some situations. In baked goods, the simplicity of the vanillin flavor in an item such as pound cake was chosen by taste testers. In other recipes, such as creme brulee or ice cream, the complexity and depth of true vanilla creates a better taste experience.

The preference for vanilla over vanillin is likely to dependent on its use. In many situations, a simple shortbread cookie can be made with vanillin while a smart cook will save their more exotic vanilla extracts for recipes that require all of the more subtle flavors of the true vanilla experience.

When choosing a product at the store, whether they use vanillin or vanilla is not always the best criteria for quality. Experience is probably a better teacher.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 26th August 2014 06:16

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السلام عليكم

Bro, what is the confusion at the moment?
Do want to find halaal vanillin to use in a recipe or
you want to know if that chocolate spread you mentioned is halaal or not?
You live in pakistan?

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 26th August 2014 11:49

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Wa-'alaykum-assalam

JazakAllahu khairan for your concern brother.

At home I have local vanilla essence, as for baking I have asked my mother, not to use it. Alhamdulillah, the chocolate cakes without the essence are tastier, and cinnamon powder was used for scent and flavor.

My question is mainly for Vanillin powder, used in the spreads, I have stated in a past post. Although it is certified by the SANHA, I want to refrain from non-khamr alcohol consumption too, so the certification doesn't mean much regarding my questions.

Yes I live in Pakistan.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 26th August 2014 12:44

masha'Allah, quick replies from Mufti Sheheryar Younus:
Actualy there is nothing cnfrmed and verified about these things tht is there alcohol in it or not thts why our ulama said tht its halal bcz we cnt give fatwa of haram without verification but still if someone leave these things bcz of these doubts thts taqwa but not fatwa.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 26th August 2014 12:49

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W-Salam,

Since you live in Karachi, Darul-uloom Binori Town endorses SANHA of South Africa

fatwa.banuri.edu.pk/masla/lays-chips-pakistan-k-ishtihar-...

so this answeres your query.

The ceritification is by Ulama and means everything if you chose not to follow it (that's your decision) but you don't have the right to disregard the effort which is behind it!

Jazakallahu Khayran

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 26th August 2014 13:25

As-salam-u-'Alaykum, brother, I try to refrain from the doubtful, Alhamdulillah.

I think I erred in making it unclear, that I meant, the certification doesn't mean much to me, as the certification is most probably in view of a fatwa like that of Mufti Ebrahim Desai.

As Mufti Sheheryar, told about someone leaving them due to doubts is taqwa. I remember reading something similar on the uk food guide site too.

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 26th August 2014 14:00

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If you know nothing about SANHA then what grounds are you doubting their process and ceritification?

Darul-uloom Binori Town which is local to you don't have a problem with them but you do? On what grounds?

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