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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd July 2013 16:11

Are Vanilla Extract and Soy Sauce Halal?


Question:

I would like to ask whether Vanilla Extract is halal because I read that the vanilla pods are soaked in alcohol. Also a lot of cakes and biscuits have Natural Vanilla flavour written on the packs these days. Would you say this vanilla flavour is halal or haram?

One more question- what is the ruling on soy sauce used in Chinese dishes? The soya beans are fermented which could contain alcohol- is this true?
So many muslims eat Chinese food but is soy sauce ok to consume?
Jazakallahu khairan.

Answer:

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. 

As-salāmu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullāhi wa-barakātuh. 

Vanilla extract is a solution containing the flavour compound vanillin as the primary ingredient. Pure vanilla extract is made by macerating and percolating vanilla beans in a solution of ethyl alcohol and water.[1]

As ethyl alcohol can be produced from different fruits and grains, it is difficult to give a general ruling on vanilla extract until a specific product’s formulation is studied.

If the alcohol used in preparing soy sauce is derived from other than grapes, dates and raisins and it is not at a concentration which intoxicates, such soy sauce will be permissible to use.[2]

 

And Allah Ta’ālā Knows Best

Mufti Faraz al-Mahmudi,
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[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_extract (last accessed 11/03/13)

 

[2]  فَالْأَشْرِبَةُ الْمُتَّخَذَةُ مِنْ الْعِنَبِ (أَحَدُهَا الْخَمْرُ) وَهُوَ اسْمٌ لِلنِّيءِ مِنْ مَاءِ الْعِنَبِ بَعْدَ مَا غَلَى وَاشْتَدَّ وَقَذَفَ بِالزَّبَدِ وَسَكَنَ عَنْ الْغَلَيَانِ عِنْدَ أَبِي حَنِيفَةَ – رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى – وَعِنْدَهُمَا إذَا غَلَى وَاشْتَدَّ فَهُوَ خَمْرٌ وَإِنْ لَمْ يَقْذِفْ بِالزَّبَدِ (الهندية ج 5 ص 409 الرشيدية)

  (وَأَمَّا الْخَمْرُ فَلَهَا أَحْكَامٌ سِتَّةٌ:) أَحَدُهَا: أَنَّهُ يَحْرُمُ شُرْبُ قَلِيلِهَا وَكَثِيرِهَا، وَيَحْرُمُ الِانْتِفَاعُ بِهَا لِلتَّدَاوِي وَغَيْرِهِ. وَالثَّانِي: أَنَّهُ يَكْفُرُ جَاحِدُ حُرْمَتِهَا. وَالثَّالِثُ: أَنَّهُ يَحْرُمُ تَمْلِيكُهَا وَتَمَلُّكُهَا بِالْبَيْعِ وَالْهِبَةِ وَغَيْرِهِمَا مِمَّا لِلْعِبَادِ فِيهِ صُنْعٌ. وَالرَّابِعُ: أَنَّهُ قَدْ بَطَلَ تَقَوُّمُهَا حَتَّى لَا يَضْمَنَ مُتْلِفُهَا كَذَا فِي مُحِيطِ السَّرَخْسِيِّ وَاخْتَلَفُوا فِي سُقُوطِ مَالِيَّتِهَا وَالصَّحِيحُ: أَنَّهَا مَالٌ لِجَرَيَانِ الشُّحِّ وَالضِّنَةِ فِيهَا كَذَا فِي الْكَافِي. وَالْخَامِسُ: هِيَ نَجِسَةٌ غَلِيظَةٌ كَالْبَوْلِ وَالدَّمِ. وَالسَّادِسُ: يَجِبُ الْحَدُّ بِشُرْبِهَا قَلِيلِهَا وَكَثِيرِهَا وَيُبَاحُ تَخْلِيلُهَا كَذَا فِي مُحِيطِ السَّرَخْسِيِّ (الهندية ج 5 ص 412 الرشيدية)

 (وَأَمَّا مَا هُوَ حَرَامٌ عِنْدَ عَامَّةِ الْعُلَمَاءِ) فَهُوَ الْبَاذَقُ وَالْمُنَصَّفُ، وَنَقِيعُ الزَّبِيبِ، وَالتَّمْرُ مِنْ غَيْرِ طَبْخٍ وَالسَّكَرُ فَإِنَّهُ يَحْرُمُ شُرْبُ قَلِيلِهَا وَكَثِيرِهَا وَقَالَ أَصْحَابُ الظَّوَاهِرِ: بِأَنَّهُ مُبَاحٌ شُرْبُهُ وَالصَّحِيحُ قَوْلُ الْعَامَّةِ لَكِنَّ حُرْمَةَ هَذِهِ الْأَشْرِبَةِ دُونَ حُرْمَةِ الْخَمْرِ حَتَّى لَا يُحَدَّ شَارِبُهَا مَا لَمْ يَسْكَرْ كَذَا فِي مُحِيطِ السَّرَخْسِيِّ.(الهندية ج 5 ص 412 الرشيدية)

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd July 2013 16:14

Flavourings from dates and grapes?

 

Alhumdulillah, to date from over 15 years of experience in the field, we have yet to come across flavourings sourced from dates and grapes in the UK market.

 

 

We don't issues fatwas at the drop of the hat, but pertinent information is necessary for a decision.  Furthermore, we do not charge the companies or consumers for this service, it is totally a Lillah service.

 

 

To summarise:


Alcoholic Flavourings:  They are permissible due to necessity and public predicament as they are so widely used in the food industry.


Alcohol Extracts e.g. (vanilla, yeast and others): They are permissible due to necessity and public predicament as they are so widely used in the food industry.

 
 
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd July 2013 20:39
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Salaamualaikum

Intoxicants can be made with dates, grapes and raisins now like they were thousands of years ago. Non alcoholic beer is sold in Makkah supermarkets. They also contain alcohol. Muslims should simply abstain from food stuff that contains flavorings. It's the principal, not the quantity of alcohol that's in favorings. I totally disagree with this view that it is allowed because of nessecity and predicaments. That's just another easy cop out .if Muslims use this excuse then they will surely use other excuse not to follow sunnah and shariah. Allah knows best
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 24th July 2013 14:56

The verdict of many contemporary 'Ulama is based on sources of Hadith which infer that alcohol from dates and grapes are regarded as Khamr (intoxicants categorically mentioned in the Qur'aan), and that other alcohols will not be termed as ‘khamr’ in the technical sense and thus not impure.

 

 

The Hadith from Sahih Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmizi, Nasai, Ibn Majah says that Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihe Wasallam said:

 

Khamr is from these two trees: dates and grapes".

(I'laus sunan Vol.18 Pg.26)

 

 

This is the view propounded by the Foodguide service and rest assured that it is of sound Hanafi scholarship.

 

 

Nevertheless, if you are a follower of a Maz-hab (school of thought) other than the Hanafi School or you prefer to refrain from such products on the basis of Taqwa, then that will be praiseworthy.

 

 

 

 

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 24th July 2013 15:44

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He is Hanafi and there are Hanafi Ulamah who have given this ruling. I know a very prominent Hanafi Scholar besides Shaykh (Mufti) A.S. Desai (HA) who has this opinion.

There are Hanafi Brothers & Sisters who follow this opinion and joking aside, RESPECT to them....

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 24th July 2013 22:23
Asalaamualaikum brother. No disrespect to any one on this tread. Here is a past article from the majlis in regards to khamr ( alcohol ). Please read and decide inshallah .

All forms of alcohol are haraam regardless of the source from which
it is derived. Whether it is grape alcohol, barley alcohol, date
alcohol, etc., etc. it is haraam. Foods containing alcohol of any type
are not permissible.

Those who are of the view that foods with non-grape alcohol are halaal
are in error. Whisky, Gin, Vodka and numerous, in fact most, types of
liquor are not grape alcohol. If someone drinks a spoon of
whisky/vodka just as a tonic, it will be wrong to say that it is
halaal simply because the whisky is not grape alcohol and the spoonful
does not intoxicate.

The view of non-grape alcohol being permissible in small quantity is
paving the way for the legalization of liquor. This is sure to happen
because Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said that in later
times liquor will be made halaal by giving it fanciful names.

Furthermore, even great Ulama err. Those who contend permissibility in
this regard are in error. And Allah knows best.

Was-salaam

A.S. Desai

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 00:19
Fully agree with that except that there is another type of alcohol which does not intoxicate and is not exactly used as a drink either.

There is also synthetic alcohol.

Wine, vodka etc, these are made to intoxicate regardless of its origin. Therefore Haram.

And Allah knows best.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 05:47
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salaams brother

I remember asking the majlis years ago about the permisability in using synthetic alcohol and they said that it wasn't permisable to use due to its mimicking nature and the fact that it is included in the family of alcohol regardless if it is not intoxicating. this is their view.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 10:00
Jazakallahu khair.

Please take a look into this thread.

TABDEEL-E-MAHIYAT, [CHANGE IN THE ORIGINAL PROPERTIES OF A SUBSTANCE]

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The example given by 'Allamah Ibn Aabideen in his Fatawa Radd-ul-Muhtaar on Nutfah [a drop of sperm] which is impure and changes after conception into 'Alaqah [germ cell or clot] also impure but fertilizing into a Muzqah [embryonic lump] which is pure.

The second example quoted by him is of 'Aseer [grape juice] which is pure but ferments and changes into Ghamr [wine] becoming impure and thereafter can further change into Khal [vinegar] which is pure again. Vinegar is prepared by two successive microbial process. The first being an alcoholic fermentation [which is Haraam] and the second an oxidation of alcohol by aceto bacter, when its molecular structure is changed and it ceases to be an intoxicant. Other varieties of vinegar are produced from beetroot, tarragon and alcoholic spirits. In vinegar the intoxicating factor is destroyed by the microbial process of oxidation hence it becomes permissible. Islam permits any variety of vinegar to be used as a condiment or preservative. In both cases the original state undergoes tremendous changes making the final product something altogether different.


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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 10:07
Use of Synthetic Alcohol in Food/Drinks and Its Permissability www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/ealcohol.htm

Q) Certain glazed donuts have ethyl alcohol in the sugars, the same alcohol found in fruits and vegetables. Once these donuts are cooked the ethyl alcohol content is .02%. Are these donuts halal? Also, please provide a dua for happiness. JazakhAllah Khair.

A) In principle, if any alcohol is not from grape or date extract, it is permissible, if it does not intoxicate. Hence the donuts containing ethyl Alcohol will be halaal.

Mufti Ebrahim Desai FATWA DEPT.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 10:08
Question This is not medication which is neccessary to preserve life, so why is such an act permissible as ethanol is pure Alcohol (kamr) and is the same Kamr found in Vodka/Rum/Spirits etc?

Answer Principally, if the alcohol is extracted from grapes or dates it is not permissible. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu �layhi Wasallam) said, 'Khamr (wine) is from these two trees, dates and grapes.' (Mishk�t p. 317).

Furthermore, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu �layhi Wasallam) said, 'Alcohol itself is prohibited and intoxication in every other beverage.' (Hidaaya vol. 4 p. 497).

In view of the abovementioned Hadith, since the alcohol in coke is from ethanol which is fermented from sugar cane mollasses and does not intoxicate, it is permissible. However, if one is doubtful, he may exercise precaution and abstain.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai FATWA DEPT.
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 10:09
Asalaamualaikum,

Recently there has been alot of controversy about wether or not krispy kreme doughnuts are halal or not, as they appear to contain alcohol. they are an american doughnut company. below is a e-mail from the company describing the issue related

"Thank you for your recent email regarding nutritional information on our doughnuts. Krispy Kreme doughnuts do not contain alcohol products manufactured to be consumed as a beverage, such as liquors, wine and beer. The glaze on Krispy Kreme Original Glazed Doughnuts contains a specially produced flavouring that is made and approved for use according to strict FDA guidelines. This flavouring contains a small amount of ethyl alcohol, a common ingredient that, incidentally, is also naturally present in just about all fresh fruits and vegetables. The flavouring for Krispy Kreme's glaze contains less than 2 percent ethyl alcohol, an essential ingredient for many flavourings commonly used in commercial food production. By contrast, vanilla flavouring, an ingredient widely used in many foods, such as ice cream, cakes, cookies, even animal crackers for children, contains 35 percent ethyl alcohol. It is important to note, however, that when the flavouring is mixed into the glaze recipe, it becomes less than 1 percent of the total composition, and, therefore, the ethyl alcohol content drops to less than 0.02 percent. During the cooking of the glaze, virtually all, if not all, of the ethyl alcohol is lost through evaporation. We hope you find this information helpful and appreciate the opportunity to provide assistance and we look forward to serving you in the future."

i was hoping if you could help me by telling me if the doughnuts are actually haram or if they are allowed.

Jazakhallah

A) In the Name of Allah, the Inspirer of Truth. Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

Alcoholic Flavourings Clarification:

Alcohols used as a carrier for food colourings and flavourings are permissible as long as they are not sourced from dates or grapes.

Read the full article here: www.gmwa.org.uk/foodguide2/in...uestion&id=200

And Allah knows Best Wa Alaykumussalaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh www.foodguide.org.uk

Mufti Abdullah Patel Halal Food Guide
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 10:10
Alcohol in Flavourings

Most food products nowadays contain some type of flavouring - natural, artificial, or a combination of both. Many of these flavourings contain alcohol, which is used as a carrier or solvent for the flavouring. The actual amount of alcohol in the finished food product may vary, but it is usually around 1% or less, as the alcohol evaporates during the production process. Items such as drinks and ice creams can contain a bit more, since no evaporation takes place. Such a small amount of alcohol is not required to be declared on the ingredients declaration on the packaging of the product.

The Foodguide follows the opinion of major contemporary Hanafi scholars including the venerable Mufti Yusuf Sacha of the UK (highly acclaimed foods expert) and Mufti Ashraf Usmani of Pakistan. The fatwa in our times is that synthetic alcohols (and all alcohol not sourced from dates and grapes) in foods and otherwise is pure (tahir), and permitted to use and consume on the conditions that:

(a) it is not used as an intoxicant; (b) it is not used as intoxicants as used (i.e. for alcoholic consumption, even a little); (c) it is not used in an amount that intoxicates; (d) it is not used in vain (lahw). Courtesy: Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

This is the view propounded by the Foodguide service and rest assured that it is of sound Hanafi scholarship. Nevertheless, if you are a follower of a Maz-hab (school of thought) apart from the Hanafi School or you prefer to refrain from such products then that is fine too. We will try to facilitate such persons by indicating which products are affected on this web-site as far as possible.

Mufti Yusuf Sacha/Mufti Abdullah Patel/Shaykh Faraz Halal Food Guide
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 10:15

Brothers & Sisters,

This is an issue where many Arab Hanafi Scholars disagree with the Ulamah of Deoband and even some Deobandi Ulamah disagree with the Fatwaas of permissability being quoted so appreciate the Taqwa of people and move on.

Many Hanafi Ulamah around the world have differences of opinion for example many Hanafi "Non-Deobandi" Mashaykh ask their (women) Mureeds to stick to a particular dress code even when with their husbands as they consider it modest.

Allah (SWT) knows best.

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 10:25
Jazakallahu Brother Muadh, agreed.

Just a little addition to the information regarding Alcohol - Grape Juice and Sayyidina Umar رضي الله عنه

Sayyidina Umar رضي الله عنه liked to drink khamr in jahiliyah, but after embracing Islam, he stopped drinking alcohol, but continued to drink grape juice in a similar way. The Shia like to claim that Sayyidina Umar رضي الله عنه drunk alcohol as a muslim. The point is "The Process"
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