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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 9th June 2013 22:23

Salaam, there was a time when I used to drink Supermalt almost every day because it was a healthy alternative to Pepsi etc.

Then one day, I looked into supermalt to find that the "Non-Alcohol" drink was manufactured in the same factory where alcoholic beverages were also manufactured/made. Ever since then, I have stopped drinking it.

I know that the drink itself is halal as per the ingredients, but doubts started to cross my mind about where its all made. Therefore after a few years, I've decided to find out again if I/we can drink it without fear or doubt.

In my quest, I came across a very strange fatwa:

This is just the last part of the fatwa which I found absurd!

Some people think that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), Ã¢â‚¬�...“Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a little of it is haraamÃ¢â‚¬Â, mean that if a small percentage of an intoxicant is mixed with a large amount of a substance that is not intoxicating, then it is haraam. This is a misunderstanding of the hadeeth. Ã¢â‚¬�...“Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a little of it is haraamÃ¢â‚¬Â means that if a lot of something will cause intoxication, and a little of it will not cause intoxication, then a lot or a little are both haraam, because you may drink a little that does not cause intoxication, then you may be tempted to drink more and become intoxicated. But if something is mixed with alcohol but the alcohol is a small amount and does not have any effect, then it is halaal and does not come under the ruling of this hadeeth.Ã‚Â

Al-Baab al-Maftooh, 3/381-382.

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According to that, one can have an alcoholic drink if its watered down and does not intoxicate. Did I miss something? I'm pretty sure I've misunderstood it!

YUK! Astagfirullah, or have I misunderstood something. That's is so WRONG. (or have I read it wrong) see full fatwa here. islam-qa.com/en/ref/33763

Does anyone else drink Supermalt? I would really like to start it again, and for those who don't, believe me, its not nice.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 9th June 2013 23:14

Don't get me wrong!

I understand the Hadith about imitation of the Kuffar and their customs. Many Muslims like to buy these silly non-alcoholic wine bottles etc. But whats the blooming point?

The bottles look just like the real thing and many non-muslims have said that it tastes just like the real thing too. WHY?

Do we as Muslims get a high in thinking we are doing a kuffar act without getting any sins upon us?

I don't like the idea.

In fact THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY THING about HFA that I liked, believe it or not.

HFA rejected to certify an Halal drink simply because of the way it was advertised and because of its look. (ironic, but true)

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2013 10:30

Salam.

wont the above fatwa fall into the group where companies use alcohol as a carrier.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2013 22:36

The Foodguide follows the opinion of major contemporary Hanafi scholars including the venerable Mufti Yusuf Sacha of the UK (highly acclaimed foods expert) and Mufti Ashraf Usmani of Pakistan. The fatwa in our times is that synthetic alcohols (and all alcohol not considered 'khamr') in foods and otherwise is pure (tahir), and permitted to use and consume on the conditions that:

(a) it is not used as an intoxicant;

(b) it is not used as intoxicants as used (i.e. for alcoholic consumption, even a little);

(c) it is not used in an amount that intoxicates;

(d) it is not used in vain (lahw).

Courtesy: Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

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This is the view propounded by the Foodguide service and rest assured that it is of sound Hanafi scholarship. Nevertheless, if you are a follower of a Maz-hab (school of thought) apart from the Hanafi School or you prefer to refrain from such products then that is fine too. We will try to facilitate such persons by indicating which products are affected on this web-site as far as possible.

Alcohol is produced as a 'bi-product of the fermentation process of yeast', however this is unavoidable and is part of the process of baking bread. Further, the alcohol is trace (very difficult to detect) and dissipates in the process hence Halaal.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 11th June 2013 10:52

A quick email to Supermalt

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From:
Sent: 11. juni 2013 11:02
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Supermalt

Hi,

I am a great fan of the malt drink, supermalt, but I had a few questions regarding the production.

I understand that this drink is a non-alcoholic drink, but I was concerned about where and how it is produced.

Are there any other drinks made at the same plant where supermalt is made?

Are there any alcoholic beverage's on site that may contaminate even the slightest amount of alcohol into the supermalt drink?

Are the machinery in the process plant the same as those used by the alcoholic drinks?

The machine that pours the drink into the supermalt bottles, are they used by any other drinks?

Many thanks.....[/quote]

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[quote]Dear.......,

Thank you for your e-mail regarding Supermalt and alcohol.

Supermalt is totally non-alcoholic and no yeast is added is added anytime during the production. Supermalt is also Halal certified by the HFA authorities in the UK. It is suitable for children and pregnant women.

At the brewery where Supermalt is produced there is also production of alcohol. However no contamination happens as the facilities are properly cleaned between the different productions. We put a lot of focus on this.

We do regular measurements of the alcohol levels in all our products and we are at 0.0 %.

Hope this answers your questions. If not, must let us know.

Med venlig hilsen/Best regards,

Ingrid Falch

Marketing Manager, Malts
Royal Unibrew A/S
Faxe Alle 1
DK-4640 Faxe
Denmark
Mob: +45 2923 0225
Fax: +45 5671 3152
e-mail: [email protected]
Internet: www.royalunibrew.com

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 11th June 2013 11:18

Looks like you can start having it again, isn't it suppose to be high in iron or something. Tasted it very long time ago when a family member insisted I try it because it has health benefits, definitely tasted awful, not something I would drink even if it is good for you.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 11th June 2013 11:21

The colour of the bottle isn't to imitate an alcoholic drink, its to protect the drink from deterioration from affects of sunlight.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 11th June 2013 11:36

Its not a nice drink in taste, definitely.

Being HFA approved doesn't really mean much to me.

I'm just concerned that other alcoholic drinks are made in the same place.

Personally I need someone with a better reputation to tell me that its safe to drink.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 11th June 2013 11:48

Isn't it the same as food manufacturers making processed products that are suitable for vegetarian as well as foods unsuitable meat products at the same plant?

Although companies state that there is no risk of contamination between the two, some companies will state there is risk of contamination.
Contact them again and be more specific, I.e. is the same machinery or equipment is used for the alcoholic and non alcoholic products.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 11th June 2013 11:52

Can't remember what product I was enquiring about but I was told by a company that once the meat products were manufactured, the worktops and machinery was cleaned down to make the suitable for vegetarian products, as personal choice didn't feel that wasnt enough to avoid cross contamination.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 11th June 2013 12:00

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Aapa,

I have had this discussion with Mufti Abdullah Patel (HA) many years ago about Gregs. What is "risk of contamination" in Shariah? There is risk of contamination in everything but we can't start declaring things Halal/Haram based on risks?

In the Hanafi Madhab "moisture/wetness" transfers Najasah e.g. if a piece of cloth has Najasah on it then if its wet and I touch it with my foot then the Najasah can get transferred otherwise if its bone dry then it’s even permissible to pray on this spot so this "risk of contamination" needs to be quantified.

Muslims have lived in India for over 1000 years and other places around the world and no one has come up with this “risk of contamination” business otherwise based on this premise EVERYTHING in ASDA is “potentially” Haram

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 25th August 2013 00:29

Alhumdulillah, I finally have my answe regarding Super Malt from Food Guide!

I had sent them all my correspondents from above including the link to here, and here is their reply.

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In the Name of Allah, the Inspirer of Truth.
Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

JazakAllah for your inquiry.

Yes, it is permissible as it is strictly cross contamination free as per
their statement.

And Allah knows Best
Wa Alaykumussalaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh
Web: www.foodguide.org.uk
Mobiles: tinyurl.com/foodguide2

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 19th November 2013 06:53

Nice, never was much a fan of Super Malt but I did drink a lot of 'Moussy' and 'Laziza' a few years back.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 19th November 2013 06:55

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So Greggs cheese pasties are halal despite them
cooking products containing pig in the same oven ?

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 19th November 2013 07:52

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Salaamualaikum brother

question
So does this mean that if I taste a drop of whiskey or drop it in my orange juice, does this make it halal because a drop of liquor won't get a person drunk. Isn't alcohol considered najaasat in the hanafi mathab? Didn't rasullullah (saw)

say that a time will come when alcohol will be legalized in this ummah and be given different names? Is intoxication of alcohol the principle or is the prohibition the principle and not the amount that is consumed?

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