Why I found a HMC Restaurant to be Haram! (my opinion)

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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 20th April 2011 12:04

Imagine the pub had a HMC sticker on the Window.

They have full right, no!

If all the meat is Halal, just like the ones being discussed, then one could go to the pub for a meal and refrain from the alcohol and watch a football match their too.

How sick, if we wouldnt do that, then why go where there are woman who are more tempting than the food and the music is playing away with beard less chefs wearing their trousers below their ankles listening to music whilst cooking our food.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 20th April 2011 12:06

Where are all the sisters? No comments yet!

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 20th April 2011 12:12

My mum had a habit of listening to the radio whilst cooking, she liked to listen to the news on the hour on the asain radio stations.

The news would last like 5 minutes and then the music would be playing non stop. When I would enter the kitchen, I would switch the radio off and then get moaned at.

I would say to my mum that if she wanted to listen to something, listen to Quran, Hadith, Islamic talks etc, at least the food she was cooking would have Barakah InshaAllah, rather than the blessings of shaytan with food that probably has no barakah in the preparation.

That sunk in and know my mum still goes round telling everyone that when they cook, they should have the words of Allah on their lips rather than the lyrics of Iblees.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 21st April 2011 08:57

I think people are missing the point of HMC.

HMC certify the Meat in "that" given place,

So resturants (hot food serving outlets) have to ensure all food served on premises is HMC. This also extends to drink, for example if you sell alcohol you will not get HMC status. Your silly if you will say, what about this and that, well you cant expect one small/non profit organisation to go round reading all the labels in the shop.

As for grocery shops, the certificate clearly states, ONLY FRESH POULTRY/MEAT. So if anyone does not read the certificate and buys frozen meat then its their bad, not HMC.

ALSO some ppl are moaning about men without beards, women dressing as men (p.s i have a beard, and I completely agree with your points) BUT what has that got to do with HMC, if people are eating HARAAM then they commit HARAM actions, simple..... so inshallah through the effort of changing their diet, they will change too. I hate going to restaurants where all this crap goes on too, but that doesnt mean it has anything to do with HMC.

At the rate you guys are moaning about it, soon you will say, HMC resturants should only serve men with beards and women with headscarfs and jilbabs.

Maybe we need to create a thread called, "I hate restuarants that......."

I think you all need to step back and think about the issues HMC staff face before you go on a long one. You ALL need to thank Allah every day that we have people in this country who are thinking about the meat we eat, even before we jumped on the bandwagon of HMC. Also we all need to do what we can to promote HMC.

This is a big DAWAH project on its own. No point telling people to read namaaz if their eating Haraam and then their namaaz in Invalid.

This is the Basic, and do all you can to promote it inshallah, rather than moan about some unforseen / uncontrolable shortcomings.

Poeples attitudes here have reminded me of the following.

Look into yourselves my friends, what are you?
Imagine a big beautiful garden, with thousands of wonders to view and smell. However somewhere in the garden a dog has come and relieved itself. Now if you went into the garden would you pay any attention to the excrement? Definitely not!
However, if a pig were to stroll in, it would miss out all the flowers and beauty and would certainly trace the excrement".
Maulana Saleem Dhorat

Now ask you self, what are you?

Jazakallah

p.s. I am in no way affiliated to HMC, but only live only on a HMC diet, O yeh and i dont eat at any weddings like other do, who only eat HMC at home but anything goes if they go out of town because they are hungry and theres no HMC shop there and so their doing pooja of their Hazrat-e-Pait.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 21st April 2011 09:17

Salaam, please wait till I get to a pc. We are all for hmc.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 21st April 2011 09:17

o yes and one last thing,

Im not saying the non HMC food is Haraam, because we dont know that.

all im saying is that when im standing infront of Allah on the day of judgement, atleast i will say,

Ya Allah, I had a choice between Doubtful (non-HMC) and Lesser Doubtful (HMC), so i chose the Lesser doubtful.

Will you be happy to say , I chose the doubtful over the Lesser doubtful....... given that you had the choice........No.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 21st April 2011 09:22

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Salaam, please wait till I get to a pc. We are all for hmc

I know you all are for HMC.

But this post doesn't really do any justice for the hard work HMC are putting in.

It seems to cast a shadow over HMC's efforts.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 21st April 2011 10:23

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Poeples attitudes here have reminded me of the following.

Look into yourselves my friends, what are you?
Imagine a big beautiful garden, with thousands of wonders to view and smell. However somewhere in the garden a dog has come and relieved itself. Now if you went into the garden would you pay any attention to the excrement? Definitely not!
However, if a pig were to stroll in, it would miss out all the flowers and beauty and would certainly trace the excrement".
Maulana Saleem Dhorat

Now ask you self, what are you?

Although I also made the same points in an earlier post stating the purpose of HMC (maybe I spoke too much about twitter so everyone missed it), I don't think the above story is correct in this context and to apply it to the guys here who made those concerns. Amazing story, great example, but in answer to your story of a scholar, I give you a Hadeeth:

"Whosoever of you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart; and that is the weakest of faith."

So now maybe I should ask, "Now ask you self, what are you?" *smiles* (no anger)

They are acting on the Hadeeth, and are looking for a source of authority and I'm sure they had a reason why they felt the authority figure "could" be HMC. Maybe the others can confirm my thoughts?

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 21st April 2011 10:53

"rizmalek" wrote:

Poeples attitudes here have reminded me of the following. Look into yourselves my friends, what are you? Imagine a big beautiful garden, with thousands of wonders to view and smell. However somewhere in the garden a dog has come and relieved itself. Now if you went into the garden would you pay any attention to the excrement? Definitely not! However, if a pig were to stroll in, it would miss out all the flowers and beauty and would certainly trace the excrement”. Maulana Saleem Dhorat Now ask you self, what are you? Jazakallah [/quote]

Asslamo Allaikum Brother,

I am guessing and hoping that you are Ba'yah to Hazrat (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat (HA) and in that case I would like to remind you that it’s a sin in Islam to be judgemental about your Muslim brothers and sisters.

Just because someone has an opinion on the matter, it doesn’t mean that are rejecting the concept or finding holes or finding fault in the matter.

A Muslim with a sound Fitrah abhors indecency and filth so he/she would spot excrement in a beautiful garden, detest it and make all efforts to remove it. He/She can:

Remove it with his/her hands
Bring it to the attention of the Park attendant
Feel remorseful that a beautiful garden is being degraded due to excrement

This is exactly in line with the following Sunnah

[quote="Yasin"] Amazing story, great example, but in answer to your story of a scholar, I give you a Hadeeth: "Whosoever of you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart; and that is the weakest of faith."

A Non-Muslim or a Non-Practising Muslim would look at the excrement, shrug their shoulders and move on!

A PIG would spot excrement in a beautiful garden, love it and live in it!

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 21st April 2011 11:50

Jazakallah for your feedback Brothers Yasin and Muadh Khan. Much appreciated.

There is no doubt that I agree with every thing you guys have said.

I wasnt saying that we should keep quiet about the issues we see around us. I certainly never do, so I wouldnt want anyone else to.

I was definitely not being judgemental, atleast not intentionally, so I would like to take this opportunity to Apologise to those who I might have offended.

I felt that pointing out all the Issues we face when going to HMC restaurants is creating 'bad publicity' for the HMC cause.........

Whilst I would love it if I could go to a resturant that plays no music, that even has no women even there! unfortunately thats not the case. But one thing im sure you all will agree is that HMC is doing a fantastic job on our behalf.

Jazakallah once again for the constructive feedback.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 21st April 2011 12:22

abu mohammed wrote:

Every table has its own Ipod docking station so you can play your own Music[/quote]Could this make it possible to listen to your favourite nasheeds whilst dining out?

Personally I wouldn't go as far to place HMC and the words haram side by side in the title, where it makes it seem that HMC are the ones to blame for the Haram. (I've read the whole post and I know you don't mean it that way.)

This is a better idea:

Rizmalek wrote:

Maybe we need to create a thread called, "I hate restuarants that......." [/quote]

Imagine a tatty book with dirty pages and text font which is unpleasant to the eye but the story itself is perfect not a single error in text, thanks to the proof reader.

How can we blame the proofreader for the other aspects of the book. It is not their job. Proof reading is a task in itself.

HMC are like that proofreader, except in our case the sticker on the restaurant acknowledges their efforts.

HMC has shouldered the enormous responsibility of discharging an obligatory duty on behalf of the community by providing assurance that we are eating genuine Halal.

Not all HMC restaurants are like you said hence

abu mohammed wrote:

"Maybe the stickers should say "Only the Meat is Halal, not the Rest" [/quote] wouldn't be fair.

[quote="Muadh Khan"]I would like to remind you that it's a sin in Islam to be judgemental about your Muslim brothers and sisters.

So regardless of whether the waiters have beards or the waitresses have scarves we can only think of our selves and think that they may have a small deed that may be beautiful in the eyes of Allah to be granted a place in Paradise.

Think the best of others and be grateful if you see a sin in others you do not have.

Despise the sin not the sinner.

That shouldn't stop you from being able to nicely talk to them to do amal on this hadith :[quote="Yasin"] "Whosoever of you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart; and that is the weakest of faith."

Maybe this stance should be taken : [quote="Muadh Khan"]" I feel very uncomfortable in "Muslim Resturants" and always have, so if we have to we get the food and eat at home."

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 21st April 2011 12:36

Jazakallah Bint Mohammed

My reply to rizmalek had an error and has dissapeared, but the rest of the replies pretty much sums up what I was saying.

The point is that the restaurant says HALAL and we go, but if it says HMC, we give it preference.

However, would you like to be served food by a waiter in shorts?

I guess not, So if the restaurant is Halal, they shouldnt have unislamic stuff going on.

My moan is about the waitress who served us. Astagfirullah, she should have been in a veil, thats all i'm gonna say. I'm sure you all understand.

HMC is great and may Allah reward them for their efforts. I am in full support of them. I even keep contact via emails telling them what I find at other places. If I can find an example of an email I sent them I will post it here InshaAllah.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 21st April 2011 12:39

rizmalek wrote:

So resturants (hot food serving outlets) have to ensure all food served on premises is HMC. This also extends to drink, for example if you sell alcohol you will not get HMC status. Your silly if you will say, what about this and that, well you cant expect one small/non profit organisation to go round reading all the labels in the shop.

I said Imagine about the pub.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 21st April 2011 12:40

rizmalek wrote:

As for grocery shops, the certificate clearly states, ONLY FRESH POULTRY/MEAT. So if anyone does not read the certificate and buys frozen meat then its their bad, not HMC.

HMC Meat is also available as FROZEN.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 21st April 2011 12:46

Asslamo Allaikum,

Off topic...

The great Muhadith Shaykh (Maulana) Zafar Ahmed Thanwi (RA) who was the nephew of Shaykh (Maulana) Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA) writes that he was on Hajj and one of the great Mashaykh (I can't remembr the name at the moment) asked him, "Have you read Ad-Durrun-Mandodh by Imam Sha'rani (RA)?"

Astonihsed he replied, "Hazrat, this is the first time I have even heard the name!"

Returning back to India he discussed the matter with Shaykh (Maulana) Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA) who asked him to translate the whole series into Urdu.

This is a book by the great Imam, Faqih, Muhadith Abdul-Wahab Sha'rani (RA) where he benfitted from many Mashaykh of Tassawuff and each of them advised him of something and he pledged it so this is his book of pledges.

So the book starts with,

"A pledge has been taken from us..."

And then the chapter of the pedge and what it is and an explaination.

Muhadith Shaykh (Maulana) Zafar Ahmed Thanwi (RA) was himself a giant Scholar of Hadeeth and a Mureed of Shaykh (Maulana) Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA) so he explains the pledges in the light of the teachings of his Shaykh.

One of the pledges is about "eating outside of your home where people look at your food". It has a spiritually devastating effect on your Eemaan.

This concept was not present in earlier Islam i.e. throughout the books of Islam you don't find the concept of "Resturants" where families visit, sit and eat. What is found is a place where people went and "bought Rotees & Chapatees" i.e. Naanbaees (these were the people who cooked Rotees"...

Shaykh Zulfiqar Naqshabndi-Mujaddidi (HA) also talks about this in one of his Urdu talks and when I find it, I will link it.

I was never really a food person but reading and listening I am beginning to wonder.

Off ourse eating at a Resturant isn't Haram!

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