In the UK, an employee at Asda or Mark's and Spencer's can request to their employer that they will not serve anyone with alcohol or swine and they can ask the customer to go to another till!
Where there is a market, the requirements will always be met.
These same non Muslim's will find the loophole to please the minority, so why can't Muslim's uphold their values?
Back to my question, will the HMC certified chicken being sold in a pub be halal or haram? Regardless of eating there.
Then I'll move to question two if I'm not sidetracked :)
If a pub serves halal food...food would be halal environment would be haram.
If a restaurant serves halal food....food might be halal but environment would be haram.
So they both haram.
So eat at home...better still cook at home. Even if the restaurant has an illusion of having a halal environment. Reality is probably different being served by ghayr mahram staff...food cooked by others who do not follow the rules of taharah. Or fardh ghusl.
Islamic environment is the home environment.
So if you would not go and eat in a pub then dont go and eat out with your family in a restaurant.
So, as per the conversation, if someone questions HMC about the environment of a restaurant, they will give their reason of, "We only certify the meat and poultry, we do not certify sea food, drinks etc etc" and they get away with it.
So if a pub wanted to serve only HMC certified meat and poultry due to demand of the local non Muslim public, using the same principles of HMC, would they certify them or not? Or should they certify them or not?
Of course you are not obliged to answer, but you may give your thoughts on their wording and stance/policy.
Then why certify other forms of haram places and use the lame excuse of, "Only the meat and poultry is certified by us, not the sea food or drinks served there"
If you want to certify a place as halal, let it all be halal. Don't throw out a bait and pull customers in!
With HMC certificate displayed in the window and after cross checking on HMC's website, the public will know that the poultry and meat has not been stunned.
What's the guarantee at other places unless you know the owners.
The restaurant owners get offended when you enquire if their food is halal and refer you their halal logo on the door which the graphic designer would have got it off Google.
Even when they have a certificate, it's not for the restaurant but their supplier being certified halal? What's the guarantee that they are not mixing poultry and meat from other sources?
They are so many halal authorising boards so how are you going to make a decision on the spot whether they stun the chicken or not? How often the checks are carried out etc...?
I went to a restaurant recently but checked their certificate before ordering. The restaurant wasn't certified but their supplier was certified by universal halal agency. I had never heard of them or their level of checks. What do you think I was supposed to do?
At least with HMC, you are at peace knowing that your poultry and meat halal.
I do get my poultry from non hmc source but that's because I know the slaughterman. Same with takeaways where I know the owners.
You're stretching it too far. Their job is to certify poultry and meat. Maybe there should be another organisation that would rate restaurants for their ambience, segregation, sound and video system, entertainment, waiters clothes etc...
Am not disagreeing with your reservations. I dont go to many restaurants with my family either for the similar reasons you have pointed out.
This cannot be undone and I am sure it will be greatly appreciated.
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