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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 29th August 2012 14:46
I've sent an email to Dawn Farms, Just waiting for their response.

However, this was taken from the IFI site.

Slaughtering must be done by a sane adult Muslim. Animals slaughtered by apostates, idol worshippers, atheists etc. are not permissible. Animals slaughtered (not stunned prior to slaughter) by the People of the Book (Jews and Christians.)
� The name of Allah must be invoked (mentioned) at the time of slaughtering by saying: Bismillah; wa Allahu Akbar. (In the Name of Allah; Allah is the Greatest.)
If at the time of slaughtering the name of anyone else other than Allah is invoked (i.e. animal sacrificed for him/her), then the meat becomes Haram "unlawful."

Jazakallah for Pointing this out.

This calls for more Home work
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 29th August 2012 14:46
In a nutshell, this is what I concluded back in 2007:

Habibi which is part of Dawn Farm Foods is certified by 'Halal Food Monitoring' - as per the HFM stamp on the Habibi page on the Dawn Farm Foods website.

i assume Habibi, a subsidiary of Subway's supplier - Dawn Farm Foods, is the one who supplies Subway (i didn't manage to confirm this back in 2007) So Subway is formally certified by IFI. Subway is however supplied by Dawn Farm Foods which also owns Habibi but they are certified by HFM.

How does IFI certify Subway when it does not certify Subway's supplier which is Dawn Farm Foods....which is certified by HFM ...who IFI dont know or recognise..

Confusing to me ... couldn't be asked in the end to follow up old 2007 email queries .... alhumdolillah since then many HMC outlets now in Hackney, Wal'stow, Newham, Hendon/Wembley sides etc ... Indian, Thai, Chinese, Singaporean, Caribbean, Turkish etc ... but mouth still waters when i walk past a Subways 

Allah knows best ...


Immense jzk for Br Abu Mohd's immense efforts and investigations in looking into the many halal certifying org out there - as boy, its a mine field of research to go through.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 29th August 2012 14:52
IFI also dont make a distinction between slaughter done by a sunni or shi'te - both they class as halal.

Pasted from their 18/92007 email to me "This is the first time that I hear that some 'Sunni' or 'Shiite' Muslims raise a question about meat slaughtered by a member of the 'opposite sect'. No, we do not make a distinction in the permissibility of meat slaughtered by a 'Sunni' or 'Shiite.' .' "
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 29th August 2012 15:19
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 29th August 2012 15:42
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 29th August 2012 15:44
Jzk, thats a brilliant find!. very useful doc.

A very very long task but maybe if that table can be edited to add a few more columns with headings like : stunning, mechanical slaughter, people of the book, sunni/shi'a slaughter ... though thats a MASSIVE task.
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 29th August 2012 15:50
Alhumdulillah, some have replied and the thread on certificates gets updated. Some will never reply or some will refuse to comment as we have seen from our Pakistani brothers in Pakistan.

If you could have a correctly worded email with the relevant questions and post it on the Halal Certificates thread, Then inshaAllah, I will do my best and may be others will help out too and email each and every one of them.

Jazakallahu khair.
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 29th August 2012 15:56
inshallah i'll try draft an email copying in you and Muadh offline for comments. Once final wording is agreed then maybe that can be used as a standard template email to send out when making queries. Pls also email me the current template that you've used over the past week when making your current enqueries.
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 29th August 2012 16:07
I've sent Muadh most of the emails so he knows what I've been doing and will forward those converstaions to you too.

Some queries were made via the websites, but i'll forward every thing now InshaAllah.
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 30th August 2012 11:07
Aslmsww, a quick google search shows 'Halal Foods Monitoring' to be located just a few mins down the road from the Dawn Farm Foods address. Dawn Farm Foods is located in Maudlings and HFM is located couple mins drive away in Johnstown Manor - both based in Co.Kildare, Ireland.

HFM according to below info has a single shareholder - a Br Moustafa El Shalakany.

www.duedil.com/company/IE395731/halal-foods-monitoring-li...
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 30th August 2012 11:22

"Daywalk3r" wrote:
Aslmsww, a quick google search shows ‘Halal Foods Monitoring’ to be located just a few mins down the road from the Dawn Farm Foods address. Dawn Farm Foods is located in Maudlings and HFM is located couple mins drive away in Johnstown Manor – both based in Co.Kildare, Ireland. HFM according to below info has a single shareholder - a Br Moustafa El Shalakany. www.duedil.com/company/IE395731/halal-foods-monitoring-li...

El Shalakany Mostafa

10 The Green Johnstown Manor
Naas, Co. Kildare

+353 45 872857

Any chance of anyone calling him to find out the facts.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 30th August 2012 12:19
Email from IFI

IFI Admin wrote:

Wa aleikum assalam,
Thank you for your e-mail. The Imam is out side the country and the person in charge for the Halal is a way too. I am forwarding your e-mail to them and insh-Allah you will receive your reply soon.
Wa salam
Mudafar Al Tawash
IFI Admin


IFI Admin has replied to me and CC'd the Imam as well as the person in charge of Dawn Farms
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 31st August 2012 16:31

"abu mohammed" wrote:
Email from IFI
"IFI Admin" wrote:
Wa aleikum assalam, Thank you for your e-mail. The Imam is out side the country and the person in charge for the Halal is a way too. I am forwarding your e-mail to them and insh-Allah you will receive your reply soon. Wa salam Mudafar Al Tawash IFI Admin
IFI Admin has replied to me and CC'd the Imam as well as the person in charge of Dawn Farms

 

Below is the reply from the Imam of IFI.

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Dear Abu Mohammed
Assalamu alaykum.
Your e-mail query regarding Halal slaughter was passed to me.
Here are the answers to your questions:


1) Do you authorize stunning of any kind? We authorise stun to stun in the case of poultry only.

2: Do you authorize Mechanical slaughter? No.

3: Do you authorize the slaughter of the people of the book, if so, is this the same meat that is supplied to Subway as Halal? We do NOT authorise the slaughter of the people of the book.

4: Do you authorize slaughter of shia/sunni/qadyani slaughter, Is this same meat supplied to Subway too? We authorise the slaughter of Suuni. We do not have experience of slaughter by Shia or Qadyani. I assume the question regarding the last two categories is theoritical. The question of the Qadyani is easy to answer as we would NOT authorise it. The Shia would not be our choice, however if presented to us it would require further consideration.

5: If you authorize the Halal meat for Subway, then who are HFM and Habibi? I can't find any information regarding them except that which is found on Dream Farm Foods, as Habibi is a part of Dawn Farm Foods and is certified by ‘Halal Food Monitoring’ - as per the HFM stamp on the Habibi page on the Dawn Farm Foods website. Where does your role come into play?

We have no role in certifying Habibi production, however we will raise the question with Dawn Farm Food.

Wassalamu alaykum.



Yahya M. Al-Hussein (Imam)
Islamic Foundation of Ireland
163 South Circular Road,
Dublin 8,
Ireland.
Tel. 00 353 1 4533242.

www.islaminireland.com

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 31st August 2012 20:47
Having said the above, I am not calling Subway to be halal. That is the responsibility of the individual and the taqwa of each person.

Allah knows best because Dawn Farms are one of the biggest suppliers of PORK. See thier website.
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd September 2012 10:07
I had replied to the above email for more details and have had the following response:


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Assalamu alaykum.
Dawn Farm Foods - which is based in Naas, co. Kildare, Ireland- is the producer of raw food products for Subway in the U.K. We supervise the manufacture and certify the products as Halal.

The rule regarding the meat of animals slaughtered by the People of Book is ageneral one. In our Halal certification we make a condition that the slaughterman must be Muslim. I have asked our webmaster to make the proper amenment to avoid the confusion. I thought that was done.

Wassalamu alaykum.

Yahya M. Al-Hussein (Imam)
Islamic Foundation of Ireland
163 South Circular Road,
Dublin 8,
Ireland.
Tel. 00 353 1 4533242.
www.islaminireland.com



Still awaitng more results with regards to the method and voltage of stunning.

Having said that, I would like to remind you Allah knows best because Dawn Farms are one of the biggest suppliers of PORK. See thier website.
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