Mashaaallah we now have (HMC) Halal Baby Food.
It is called Petit Gems, and made by some brothers in Coventry.
Check out their website www.petitgems.com
If you had a choice, NON HMC (Mumtaz Baby Food) or HMC (Petit Gems) which would you buy?
Mashaaallah we now have (HMC) Halal Baby Food.
It is called Petit Gems, and made by some brothers in Coventry.
Check out their website www.petitgems.com
If you had a choice, NON HMC (Mumtaz Baby Food) or HMC (Petit Gems) which would you buy?
AND SISTER. (from coventry)
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Fee amaanillah
Wassalaam
It works here.
Wassalam
AND SISTER. (from coventry)
Maafi Queenie......
Im pretty sure there are some sisters as well. I hope no offence was caused.
I understand what you are saying, however, if Mumtaz are not HMC, then how can you be sure if they genuinely Halal (Allah knows best). With Petit Gems being HMC, atleast we know the slaughter practice, and production practice is monitored and Genuinely Halal.
It's not really about monopoly, its about butchers, restaurants, food manufacturers, etc, being prepared to comply with HMC monitoring and standards. Its about choice.
If Mumtaz dont want to be accredited by anyone, thats their choice. Then the customer has a choice about what their priority is.
Price and quality goes without saying, but so does halal. Would you buy meat from a butchers if you are unsure of the halal slaughter practice? The same should apply to Restaurants, Fast Food Places and Ready Made Meals.
brother i eat (as well as others on this board inclu ulama) at places that are not HMC'd but are halal and also buy from some butchers who are not hmc'd. They have been encouraged to become HMC'd some have some have not some are thinking about it. Just cause some is/are not HMC'd it dont mean they are not halal. If people (with deen and taqwa in them) have spoken with a non-HMC'd company and investigated them fully and then conclude them to be halal then far as i;m concerned they are but yes it would be much better for them to become HMC as then no individual/s need to bother them to investigate them as HMC already have. And not all people know exactly what to look for in determining if someone is halal or not - hmc are full of competent people/ulama who know the relative fiqh and mordern day food related business matters.
But we all agree that every business should be encouraged to become HMC'd for the benefit of all muslim. Sod HFA!!
And for further info i personally contacted Mumtaz few weeks back to tell them the business as well as shar'ee benefits of becoming HMC'd.
As I have also said it IS a matter of choice, but just because one food company gets their product accredited by HMC, does not mean they have instigated a monopoly.
I am just letting other brothers and sisters know, that the HMC choice is out their.
There is so much abiguiety in the Halal market, as we muslims are not organised as a community.
I think where a Muslim company has made an effort to reassure the community that they are genuinely halal, then we should praise and promote that.
Remember these are small companies, in a market dominated by multinationals like Heinz, Nestle, etc.
I sometimes have to give credit to the Jewish community for their support of their own products. We can learn from this.
If we are constantly price driven then halal produce will suffer. We need to support our own as much as possible.
In East London Maashaallah HMC is very strong, as in Leicester, but I think more should be done. And the only way we can start to do this is through forums like this one, and through word-of-mouth.
Educate people about HMC, about halal. What do you think?
Am not saying they are instigating it but its in everyone's interests to put pressure on Mumtaz (by calling/emailing/writing to them to get HMC'd) also so there's more of a choice then just one. For me personally (and maybe for others also) if we do find out mumtaz are halal i'll have no qualms whatsoever in buying their products. But I think what your saying is to buy the HMC brand one, not as mumtaz is not halal, but as it helps HMC become more and more mainstream and puts pressure on others to become HMC'd also which is the ideal goal - I agree in principal.
Yes so if anyone does prove this then its ok but it'll help even more (for the halal business and UK ummah as a whole) if they are HMC'd. but like I said if I find out they are halal then I'll eat.
[quote] Remember these are small companies, in a market dominated by multinationals like Heinz, Nestle, etc. I sometimes have to give credit to the Jewish community for their support of their own products. We can learn from this. If we are constantly price driven then halal produce will suffer. We need to support our own as much as possible. In East London Maashaallah HMC is very strong, as in Leicester, but I think more should be done. And the only way we can start to do this is through forums like this one, and through word-of-mouth. Educate people about HMC, about halal. What do you think?
Agree. I try keeping in contact with Molana yunus dodhwala who holds alot of HMC talks for HMC. Last one he had was before he went Hajj was in Stokenewington N16 which was very good mashallah..
The HMC model IS (far as I know) based on the jewish Kedassia model. The Kosher Kedassia board in the UK is very very strong and strict - its impossible to get kosher kedassia accreditation without their approval and they are well connected within the food industry as well as the regulators (i.e Defra).
So in short we agree on everything. HMC is best!
BTW Can all reading this post contact mumtaz and let them know the benefits of HMC.
I dont think we ever really disagreed, but it's just individual perception of things can come from different angles.
I completely respect your opinion, like Im sure you do mine.
The common goal is the same.
It is down to individuals to create awareness, discuss and debate. Thats a Forum after all.
I would hope more people express their opinons too.
What checks have been made to ensure that not just the meat but the whole production process, cleaning agents, other meat product on the same line is all halal?
Thats what HMC check for.
If it is not HMC, there is always that doubt, unless you've personally checked out Mumtaz's production plant, and know what cleaning agents they use, and what other meat products are manufactured on the baby food production line (cross contamination).
Personally I would go for a HMC product over a non HMC product every time!! And especially when feeding my child!!!
onIy if i know that person has taqwa (fear of aIIah in his Iife both inwardIy and outwardIy) wouId i do so - so just the same way i wont Iend any person money whom i dont know fears aIIah in paying it back to me i wont trust anyone who doesnt fear aIIah in his responsibiIity in feeding me haIaI food. - if he dont fear aIIah in fuIfiIing his duties towards his Iord (both inward duties and outward) i think its aIoud for me to use caution and think then he probs wont fuIfiI his duties towards other musIims aIso if he cant even fuIfiI aIIah's. - (i think this is what i'm trying to say- sounds kinda confusing!)
in short untiI your 100% sure its haIaI and know there entire production (as mentioned above by a father) is aIso and know reguIary they have not changed any suppIiers or production/processing methods (as these change constantIy due to price and other market forces) then you cant be 100% sure - which is where HMC comes in - it saves me/you/rest in doing the whoIe checking paIava (which is not as straight forward as it sounds - some HMC appIications can take up to 4 months to process i think and thats by fuIIy trained HaIaI inspectors not g i joe's Iike me/you).
However in your heart of hearts if your 100% sure and convinced of someones cIaim to be haIaI then one wouId think thats OK but if you Iook at the bigger picture facing the UK ummah with regards to haIaI food then it makes sense to strengthen/support the work/position of HMC as much as possibIe for the benefit of the wider peopIe as the more stronger HMC gets (by peopIe such as me and you using HMC certified businesses onIy) the more the so caIIed "haIaI food" industry wiII cIean up its act as those bogus cIaimants of haIaI food wiII be more and more under pressure to cIean up their act.
This cannot be undone and I am sure it will be greatly appreciated.
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