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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 13th September 2017 12:31

As you know, we have discussed Mechanical Slaughter here and all have agreed and accepted as not acceptable and HARAM!

We all know too that HFA used to endorse mechanical slaughter but took a new turn on their policies and stopped certifying mechanical slaughter.

Since the new CEO of HFA Saqib Mohammed has taken over from Masood Khwaja, things have improved for them and for the Muslims.

 

Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Yesterday we looked into FAKE Certificates and stumbled across more certifiers and found a big mess!

Since Masood Khwaja left HFA and went into retirement in 2013, he made a come back with with yet another Halal certifier. The problem here is that his influence on the Halal Market has allowed him to attract big clients.

We found from the fake certificates that one of the major Halal food supplier to shools, colleges, airlines etc across the UK are being certified by Masood Khwaja who STILL ENDORSES MECHANICAL SLAUGHTER!

This company known as Halal Consultations has named the Masood Khwaja as the Anchor Person of this company who is PRO MECHANICAL SLAUGHTER.

This means that many of our children are consuming Haram in the name of Halal!

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 13th September 2017 12:33
Source halalconsultations.com/mechanical-killing/
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Mechanical killing is a term that denotes that in poultry slaughterhouses which are fully mechanised, slaughtering is carried out by a fixed rotating blade. Throats are cuts by the blade without severing the spinal cord and for Zibah rule compliance licensed Muslim slaughterers are standing at the station doing the rendition of Shahada and Tasmiya with admissible parity to the speed of the line. And if a chicken is found on conveyer with out slit in the throat slaughterer would before the bird reaches the bleeding area slaughter it by hand with full rituals. Yes, it is preferable to have all the flock hand cut, as it would have been in non-mechanised plants, this method with the expediency of machines is viable and operable within the tenets of the Islamic dietary rules. It goes without saying that these days chicken are hatched by scientific methods influencing speedy growth and, then hung upside down shackling legs for slaughtering; without blinking an eye to say that technology is being used, science is being applied!! All the certifier of Halal has to ensure for mechanised killing is that that the bird is not decapitated (or dead), words of Shahada are recited, as required, and animal welfare rules are adhered to.

It is imperative to note here that up to a little while ago many a endorsing bodies did frown upon and disapproved with a scowl pre-stunning of birds and animals and the same organisations are now manifestly sanctioning it placidly and openly. The day is not very far whence sanity will prevail. True it is that slaughtering of animals is directed in the Qur’an and birds butchery is followed from Ahadiths (saying of the Prophet) and, the above procedures as concurred by Halal Consultations are in precise compliance of both

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 13th September 2017 12:42
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 13th September 2017 17:24
According to the Department for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs:

How to legally carry out religious slaughter, including how to restrain and bleed the animal.

www.gov.uk/guidance/halal-and-kosher-slaughter

It clearly states using a "hand-held" knife for all animals - I can't seem to find any mention of Mechanical slaughtering!
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For any animal (including birds), you must use:

a hand-held knife that’s sharp and large enough for the animal you’re slaughtering
rapid, uninterrupted movements of the knife


So according to UK regulations, I guess these certified traders find the loophole of getting mechanically slaughtered produce from abroad!

They are playing with our Deen!
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 13th September 2017 18:44

An old friend contacted me recently who is not a Hanafi and doesn't understand Urdu and wanted to discuss this matter. I had to re-read a lot to jog my memory on the subject.

The discussion between the 4 Madhabs is this:

  1. What is the status of the animal is Tasmiyah is ommitted but nothing else is read in its place? We know this can and does happen with mechanical slaughter.
  2. What is the status of the animal is Tasmiyah is ommitted but something Shirk is read in its pleace e.g. Glory be to Jesus Christ etc?
  3. What is the status of multiple animals are slaughtered, how should Tasmiyah be read?
  • Should it be read by the same individual who is doing the slaughtering?
  • What is the status when Tasmiyah is read by another individual other then the one who is slaughtering? This is the most pertinent point because in mechanical sluaghter a mechanical kife is doing Dhabihah while a human is reading Tasmiyyah (when pressing the ON/OFF button) to control the knife
  • Should Tasmiyah be read on each animal or a collective Tasmiyyah when more than 1 animals are being slaughtered is sufficient? This is also important because we know that human will neither be in synch nor keep pace with mechanical slaughter? Is anyone keeping track of Tasmiyah to slaughter?
  • What if there is delay in Tasmiyah and what sort of delay is acceptable?

After reading hundreds of pages of information, we need to really avoid mechanical slaughter because there are too many unknowns here...

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 13th September 2017 21:53
FATWA: MECHANICAL SLAUGHTER By Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Mechanical slaughter is of three types:

1: Chickens are transported to the place of slaughter through a conveyer belt and are manually slaughtered. If there is certainty that the chicken is alive and the Muslim slaughterer recites the name of Allah upon slaughtering, then the chicken is Halal. In this case, only the transportation is mechanical but the slaughtering is manual. This procedure is unanimously permissible and recommended.

2: Chickens are transported by means of the conveyer belt to the mechanical slaughter blade. Once the mechanical plant comes into operation, the blade also comes into operation and cuts the chicken. This procedure is not permissible. It does not matter if the plant and the blades are controlled together or separately.

3: The chickens are transported by means of the conveyer belt to many slaughter blades and every blade is controlled separately by a Muslim who recites the name of Allah upon effecting the mechanical slaughter. This procedure conforms to the principles of Sharée Zabh set out by the Fuqahaa.

According to our knowledge, such a procedure does not yet exist. and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 9th December 2025 18:13
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Halal Chicken in USA:

In my country, majority of the "Halal Chicken" easily available everywhere is machine slaughtered and it is cheap (almost the same price as Haram Chicken), there are three certifications which are "hand slaughtered chicken"

  1. HFSAA
  2. HMS
  3. HMA: Most of the frozen foods in grocery stores, Samosas etc are imported from Canada and this organization is pretty much a copy of HMC (UK)


So to get "hand slaughtered Chicken" is a little harder but not much but a little more expensive. Halal Meat in USA is really cheap and easily available and price alone tells you if it is "Machine Slaughtered" or "Hand Slaughtered".

  • There is a Deobandi Tableeghi family who runs Crescent Foods (in Chicago) and they supply Crescent Chicken to most normal American Grocery stores. This is a famous brand in America which many non-Muslims consume (due to quality) and it is a "hand slaughtered" but it is not certified by anyone, it is guaranteed "Hand Slaughtered".
  • In America, most states slaughter according to Muslim Dhabihah method (and always did) so lamb, cow etc is never an issue because many Farms employ Muslims who do Dhabihah


Halal meat is so much easier to get in America and Canada compared to UK because local Grocery Stores, Costco all stock Halal and cheaper. Lamb Meat in America is majority Halal, just like it is in UK but unlike in UK here it is labelled and identified while in UK it is not (in normal stores).

Majority of Canadian normal grocery stores carry certified Halal meat.

Most of "Indian" snacks and foods in America and Canada are also certified Halal so our local Aldi freezers are filled with certified Halal Samosa, Pakora, Biryani etc which I hardly saw in UK

The Hindus and Sikhs are well versed in USA (in most cities) on the distinction between "Hand Slaughtered" and "Mechanical Slaughtered" and they will tell you.

So what is the negative?

Machine slaughtered is so much cheaper that most "Halal" or "non-Halal" Restaurants and caterers use it and they tell you.

Difference between UK, USA and Canada?

Americans and Canadians don't lie or deflect! They will clearly tell you that their chicken is Restaurant Depot or SYSCO which means machine slaughtered OR something is not Halal.

I have called over 200+ Restaurants in my state and almost all of them gave me information on the phone and clearly.

Unlike in UK where people are evasive. Why is that?

Because in America if you lie you will end up with a lawsuit and a complaint to the County and your business will shut down!

The only exception of lying is a local Arab Restaurant and Brothers from the Masjid caught him in a sting operation and this was exposed to our whole state, the Masjid decided to send some people and he apologized and gave a pledge to rectify his behavior because of lawsuits and boycotts from the state.

Even those Muslims who consume mechanical slaughter were disgusted by his lying so he had to issue an apology and a statement on Camera and a pledge and make some people take responsibility for (his) future actions.

The level of lying, dishonesty and deception which I witnessed over decades in UK simply doesn't exist here. Everyone just tells you whatever they are doing and its your choice to eat/buy or whatever.

Mechanical Slaughter:

Canada doesn't this problem to such an extent but the issue does exist.

Having said all that, it is impossible to avoid Mechanical slaughter by accident at Masjid, weddings, friends, families in America because it is easily available everywhere and certified.

So here we have to look at the difference of opinion among Senior Deobandi Ulama (read page 54 on wards) and some who permit mechanical slaughter .

Many practicing Muslims just do not eat Chicken because it is so prevalent here unless they know the source.

Vertical Cut?

The second issue is "Certified Dhabihah Halal" for cows, lambs and goat can be done via Vertical Cut instead of horizontal cut, there are many opinions, blogs, articles on the topic. HOWEVER, when I researched this in-depth it is is never done in practice by itself in USA or Canada and practiced nowhere.

I do not know why people keep bringing it up when it is not done by major Halal Certified Companies so the issue is irrelevant.

Importing UK Model?

America and Canada are different societies, different ethos, multi-cultural and huge compared to UK. The certification systems (like HMC) does not work across these societies because profit margins are cut throat and there are such problems with "Halal certifications" that major businesses drop them.

Ontario (in Canada) is Gujarati dominated so they have HMA and Muslim businesses have cornered the market across grocery stores but there are still dozens of brands which are not certified.

In America, almost all major densely Muslim populated states have Muslim Farms and Muslim businesses who do "Hand Slaughtered" but don't get certified.

Plus, you need to do research find a "Hand Slaughtered" major brand and then meet your local Costco or Walmart Manager and convince them into carrying a brand like Crescent Chicken.

So the difference is America is a Capitalist society (money talks). Restaurant Depot or SYSCO are major chains so do your research and then go meet the Manager with a petition of 25+ signatures and Muslims will buy it because they don't know the details.

In America, if you don't answer phone calls, emails, respond to or engage with a customer, the customer will drop you...Unlike in UK where businesses just keep going.

In America, money is KING. I spoke to a massive Bar owner in my city, the guy called me multiple times asked a lot of questions because he has non-Alcoholic Establishments and wanted to differentiate his business from other.

VP of a major Chicken Fried Chain called me and spoke to me for over an hour on "Halal" and "Cross Contamination" because he saw the value in it from "Gluten Free, Contamination Free, Allergen Free" natural point of view.

But we have a lot of "Deobandees" in America who want to pursue the British HMC like Model and Alhumdolillah they are making good progress too but in major cities like NYC, Chicago etc.

But America is a greedy, cut throat, make money society unlike UK and businesses do what increases their bottom line and from Customer side, it is a review driven society, one wrong move (a lie or deception) the Americans (of all disposition) shun that business on principal.

P.S: Crescent Chicken may be "Halal Certified" now, I have heard rumors but nothing confirmed.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 10th December 2025 18:25
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Allah Ta'ala has commanded us to not only eat Halal but also Healthy & Wholesome food. I am sick and disgusted by the animal cruelty and "mechanical slaughter" and every other nefarious practice which is in our food supply.

We are getting sicker because of the way food is being handled with no concern for animal welfare!

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