Madina Series Book 1 (Lesson 8: Part 3)

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 28th November 2011 21:29

Asslamo Allaikum,

Previous Lessons to go through for new and old students

New Lesson:

Lesson 8 (Part 3)

Jazakullah Khairun

P.S: Please REMEBER to analyse and not just translate and if you don't understand please feel free to ask as many questions and as many times as possible.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 29th November 2011 19:50

Assalaamu 'alaykum ww
Lesson 8 (though title says lesson 3)

هَذَا البَيتُ لِلتَّاجِرِ وَ ذَلَكَ البَيتُ ِللطَّبَيبِ
This house belongs to the businessman and that house belongs to the doctor
هَذَا mubtada
البَيتُ badal
لِلتَّاجِرِ khabar
و atf
ذَلَكَ mubtada
البَيتُ badal
لِلطَّبَيبِ khabar
لِمَنْ هَذِهَ السَّيَّارَةِ , وَ لِمَنْ تِلْكَ ؟

Whose car is this and whose is that?
هَذِهَ السَّيَّارَةِ للطَّبَيبِ وَ تِلْكَ لِلتَّاجِرِ
This car belongs to the doctor and that to the businessman
هَذِهَ mubtada
السَّيَّارَةِ badal
للطَّبَيبِ khabar (li is harf jarr?)
و atf
تِلْكَ mubtada
لِلتَّاجِرِ khabar (li harf jar?)

هَذِهَ السَّيَّارَةِ مِنَ اليَابَانَ وَ تِلْكَ مَنْ أَمرِيكَا
This car is from Japan and that is from America
هَذِهَ mubtada
لسَّيَّارَةِ badal
مِنَ harf jar
اليَابَانَ khabar
و atf
تِلْكَ mubtada
مَنْ harf jarr
أَمرِيكَا khabar

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 29th November 2011 19:51

copy/pasted the sentences today...sorry came out a bit messy

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 29th November 2011 20:36

Salam,

Just very quickly:

This house belongs to the businessman and that house belongs to the doctor

هَذَا - Ishaarah
البَيتُ - Mushaarun Ilayhi
Isharah & Musharun Ilayhi together makes Mubtada
لِلتَّاجِرِ
Li = Jaar
A-Taajir = Majroor
Jaar & Majroor makes Khabar

Mubtada & Khabar makes Ma'toof 'Alayhi

و - 'Atf

ذَلَكَ - Ishaarah
البَيتُ - Mushaarun Ilayhi
Isharah & Musharun Ilayhi makes Mubtada
لِلطَّبَيبِ
Li = Jaar
At-Tabeebi = Majroor
Jaar Majroor makes Khabar

Mubtada & Khabar makes Ma'toof

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 30th November 2011 10:39

"Yasin" wrote:

Salam, Just very quickly: This house belongs to the businessman and that house belongs to the doctor هَذَا - Ishaarah البَيتُ - Mushaarun Ilayhi Isharah & Musharun Ilayhi together makes Mubtada لِلتَّاجِرِ Li = Jaar A-Taajir = Majroor Jaar & Majroor makes Khabar Mubtada & Khabar makes Ma'toof 'Alayhi و - 'Atf ذَلَكَ - Ishaarah البَيتُ - Mushaarun Ilayhi Isharah & Musharun Ilayhi makes Mubtada لِلطَّبَيبِ Li = Jaar At-Tabeebi = Majroor Jaar Majroor makes Khabar Mubtada & Khabar makes Ma'toof

W-Salam Maulana,

هَذَا البَيتُ لِلتَّاجِرِ وَ ذَلَكَ البَيتُ ِللطَّبَيبِ

Isn't Al-Baytu = Badal and Hadha = Mubdal Minhu?

The practical manifestation is here:

الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ

Alhamdu is Ism-Marfoo
Lillahi is Jaar/Majroor
Rabbi = Badal (then Mudaf) & Allahi = Mubdal Minhu
Al-Aalameena is Mudaf-Ileh

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 30th November 2011 11:05

Assalaamu 'alaykum WW
I think I need to make a list of all these terms before things get too much

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 30th November 2011 11:13

"ummi taalib" wrote:

Assalaamu 'alaykum WW I think I need to make a list of all these terms before things get too much

W-salam,

Badal = Substitue

Mubdal Minhu (not covered YET) is the word which is being substituting for.

الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ

Alhamdu is Ism-Marfoo (Mubatada because it is definite and Marfoo)
Lillahi is Jaar/Majroor
Rabbi = Badal (then Mudaf) & Allahi = Mubdal Minhu
Al-Aalameena is Mudaf-Ileh

Can you see that "Rabbi" is substitue for "Allah" i.e. they mean and refer to pretty much the same thing?

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 30th November 2011 17:24

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Isn't Al-Baytu = Badal and Hadha = Mubdal Minhu?

Hazhaa in the meaning/context of Badal/Mubaddal Minhu when doing Tarkeeb has always been Ishaara and what it points to is Musharun Ilayhi which together makes any portion of a sentence such as Mubtad.

Hazhaa without the Badal is Mubtada such as "Hazhaa Baytun" - this is a house

Some do Tarkeeb as Badal and Mubaddal minhu which is also correct but I've always done those as Ishara Mushaarun Ilayhi which is the common practice and also how I was taught.

In "Alhamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alameen" the Badal and Mubaddal Minhu is there so here it's right. With Ism Ishaarah, more accurate Tarkeeb has been with Ishaarah/Mushaarun Ilayhi.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 30th November 2011 18:02

I used to do Tarkeeb like this which made constructing and understanding the structures of proper sentences easier.

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[14.15 kB] Tarkeeb of Jumla 'Aatifah/Ma'toofiyyah

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 30th November 2011 19:30

okkk time to give up maybe...even though i can see it i dont think i'll remember all this.

i dont like giving up so maybe give a different sentence and i'll try as above

jazaakumullaahu khayran for this effort

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 30th November 2011 20:15

هذا الكتابُ جديدٌ و هذا القلمُ قديمٌ

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 30th November 2011 20:28

Salam, the Tarkeeb is not possible if any definition is not understood so before attempting and understanding this, it is important to know what each one means and examples that go with it.

Before giving it another go with the new sentence, please ask which ones you don't understand if there's any.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 1st December 2011 12:51

Assalaamu 'alaykum WW
my attempt:
هذا الكتابُ جديدٌ و هذا القلمُ قديمٌ

First part of sentence
هذا ishaarah (demonstrative pronoun)
الكتابُ mushaarun ilayhi
Above two together make up the Mubtada'
جديدٌ khabr
و harf atf
Second part of sentence
هذ ishaarah
القلمُ mushaarun ilayhi
Above two make up the Mubtada'
قديمٌ khabr

I've done this without looking. Now the last two lines of the terkeeb (by Mawlana Yasin) are as follows...i cannot remember the terms though i sort of understand what is being done

The first part of the sentence is something (???) to the second part due to the harf atf
The complete sentence is ???? I did not understand this

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 1st December 2011 13:21

MashaAllah you've got it

Two sentences or words joint with an Atf consists of Ma'toof 'alayhi which is before the 'Atf and Ma'toof follows the 'Atf.

A sentence in this format is jumlah 'aatifah or ma'toofiyyah

I'm sure Muadh can provide a more technical definition.

if a sentence has more than one atf which is valid in Arabic then each jumlah ma'toofiyyah will be the ma'toof 'alayhi of the proceeding Ma'toof. i hope i didn't just complicate it.

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