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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 20th December 2011 20:37

Youtube Video

"Bring back the Lions"
By Sheikh ul hadith Mufti Saeed Ahmad Palanpuri
This lecture has been translated into english.

Mufti Saeed Ahmad Palanpuri talks about the rise of the Salafi/Ahle hadith/Ghair Muqalid fitna and how the Ahle Haq Ulama have been affected.
Shaykh was not in a good mood, as should be expected when the current situation is prevalent.
 

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 20th December 2011 22:24
SubhanAllah, how true is this clip. Amazingly it seems the sheep are fighting back whilst the lion sleeps.

The sheep being laymen / us.

This is a lesson for everyone.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 20th December 2011 23:35

"abu mohammed" wrote:
SubhanAllah, how true is this clip. Amazingly it seems the sheep are fighting back whilst the lion sleeps. The sheep being laymen / us. This is a lesson for everyone.

In my Salafi days  I used to drive hundreds of miles to see Shaykh (Maulana) XXX who had Khilafa from Shaykh (Maulana) AbrarulHaq Hardoi (RA) and the whole way I used to think about how to "OUTFOX" him in a debate and which Mas'ala in the Hanafi Madhab I would be able to reute him in.

I used to GET MY BUTT KICKED!

Those "Deobandi Ulamah" have long gone. Fortunately we still have Ulamah like Shaykh (Maulana) Yaqoob Qasmi (HA), Shaykh (Maulana) Marghoob Ahmed (HA), Shaykh (Mufti) Yusuf Sacha (HA) in UK...

10 minutes with Shaykh (Maulana) Marghoob Ahmed (HA) and you wonder what Shaykh (Maulana) Anwar Shah Kashmiri (RA) must have been like.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2011 07:13
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In my Salafi days;

I used to drive hundreds of miles to see Shaykh (Maulana) XXX who had Khilafa from Shaykh (Maulana) AbrarulHaq Hardoi (RA) and the whole way I used to think about how to "OUTFOX" him in a debate and which Mas'ala in the Hanafi Madhab I would be able to reute him in.

I used to GET MY BUTT KICKED!


Those "Deobandi Ulamah" have long gone. Fortunately we still have Ulamah like Shaykh (Maulana) Yaqoob Qasmi (HA), Shaykh (Maulana) Marghoob Ahmed (HA), Shaykh (Mufti) Yusuf Sacha (HA) in UK... 10 minutes with Shaykh (Maulana) Marghoob Ahmed (HA) and you wonder what Shaykh (Maulana) Anwar Shah Kashmiri (RA) must have been like.



WOW i didnt know your a reformed salafi! Mashallah.

More comforting to know that we have EX-salafis here to tell us WITH first hand experience about the ghair muqallids practices.

I think we need to start a new thread called, I USE TO BE a Salafi. Would be interesting....
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2011 11:35

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In my Salafi days; I used to drive hundreds of miles to see Shaykh (Maulana) XXX who had Khilafa from Shaykh (Maulana) AbrarulHaq Hardoi (RA) and the whole way I used to think about how to "OUTFOX" him in a debate and which Mas'ala in the Hanafi Madhab I would be able to reute him in. I used to GET MY BUTT KICKED! Those "Deobandi Ulamah" have long gone. Fortunately we still have Ulamah like Shaykh (Maulana) Yaqoob Qasmi (HA), Shaykh (Maulana) Marghoob Ahmed (HA), Shaykh (Mufti) Yusuf Sacha (HA) in UK... 10 minutes with Shaykh (Maulana) Marghoob Ahmed (HA) and you wonder what Shaykh (Maulana) Anwar Shah Kashmiri (RA) must have been like.
WOW i didnt know your a reformed salafi! Mashallah. More comforting to know that we have EX-salafis here to tell us WITH first hand experience about the ghair muqallids practices. I think we need to start a new thread called, I USE TO BE a Salafi. Would be interesting....

Asslamo Allaikum,

Years of experience has taught me that it isn't about "daleel" BECAUSE of following reasons:

  1. In Shariah there are valid differenes of opinion e.g.on issue like Rafa Yadain, Ameen etc so you can easily make a case either way by using the books and evidence presented by Hanafi or Shaf'ae Madhab. A person simply has to google and post the opinion of Imam Nawawi (RA) for example while not knowing that Imam Nawawi (RA) was actually Shaf'ae So quote upon quote on either position can be readily presented on matter on which there is NO right or wrong answer.
  2. Its in human nature to justify whatever you do or whichever Scholars you associate yourself with
  3. For 1400+ years Ulamah in Islam havn't agreed whether to do Rafa Yadain is superior or to abstain from it is superior so discussions on Muftisays won't decide it either.

After a while you mature up, start thinking and Allah (SWT) opens your heart.

AND

It works the other way too i.e. people listen to or read "polemics" and end up quitting following a Madhab.

What changed me wasn't daleel as much but when I read the following statement:

Ibn Hajar also related that Ibn al-Mubarak said: "If Allah had not rescued me with Abu Hanifa and Sufyan [al-Thawri] I would have been like the rest of the common people."

I knew that Abdullah Ibn Mubarak (RA) was one of the greatest Scholars on the face of the Earth so who am I?

Some people may argue that the above statement is weak but there is no doubt that Abdullah Ibn al-Mubarak was a student of Imam Abu Haneefa (RA).

Then there are further arguments about that as well...

To cut a long story short something can affect your heart while if it doesn't your mind will SPIN IT and find a reason not to accept it.

What I do know is “Guidance comes from asking Allah (SWT) when you beseech and beg” and neither from reading too much or listening to Bayans.

At the end of day the choice is between:

  1. Following Salaf like Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) or other Imams (for that matter) in their opinion which has been preserved and passed to us through the chain of Ulamah (And may Allah (SWT) reward them immensly)
  2. Following Khalaf (like Shaykh Al-Albani (RA)) who are in turn making judgement calls and picking and choosing between the opinions of Salaf and grading and weakening as they go along

What I do know is that on the day of judgement if Allah (SWT) questions me I can say, "I followed SALAF" as it was passed down to me through generations and I am secure.

In 2012:

  1. I can NOT perform Rafa Yadain based on Taqleed of Salaf
  2. I can perform Rafa Yadain based on Taqleed of Salaf
  3. I can do individual research and perform or not perform Rafa Yadain

1 & 2 will secure my Aakhira the action itself is fairly inconsequential.

3 will probably please my Nafs in Dunya but will make me answer on the day of judgement.

And I would rather put my trust in Ulamah who are passing me the knowledge of the Salaf without making judgement calls to secure my Aakhira, security from questioning on the day of judement is more important to me then pleasing my Nafs.

Jazakullah Khairun

 

 

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2011 18:58
I can only say, SubhanAllah.

The more I read your posts, the more my love increases for you for the sake of Allah.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2011 19:15
the Shaykh (ha) is cussed and dissed more or less publicly in UK ....life (as usual) goes on. May Allah سبحانه وتعالى lengthen his (ha) shadow over us ...
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2011 19:19
The pious and righteous are always attacked, not including those who cause the attacks.

There are those who fail in their tests and there are those who pass. May Allah make us of those who pass all the trials and tribulations.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2011 19:23
where's the rest of the talk for this?
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2011 19:32
I think it will get released on Saturday, not 100% sure.

Sounds great. The Ulama need a wake up call!
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2011 11:25

"Daywalk3r" wrote:
the Shaykh (ha) is cussed and dissed more or less publicly in UK ....life (as usual) goes on. May Allah سبحانه وتعالى lengthen his (ha) shadow over us ...

Asslamo Allaikum,

This is a Deobandi version:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?79620-Khulasa-wa-Tasheel-Qasd-us-Sabeel&p=705898&viewfull=1#post705898

Madkhalees/Ahl-e-Hadeeth are EAXCTLY the same way with their Shaykhs.

Both of these groups assume that once you have done your research and selected your shaykh he is infallible and can make NO MISTAKES

VERSUS Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said:

كل بني آدم خطاء وخير الخطائين التوابون
 

Every son of Adam is a sinner and the best of sinners are those who repent. (Tirmidhi)

Jazakullah Khairun

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2011 12:29
why does there need to be a confrontational approach that some ulama have when dealing with Salafi's. Banging chests and shouting from the mimbar doesn't really come across as intellectually or academically mature, lacks adaab and has, in most cases, the opposite effect. Where and when there are issues that muslims as a minority living in the US/UK/Euro face together why cant ulama actually join together to take tissues forward and provide guidance whilst still keeping their differences. i.e. like www.alqalam.org.uk/Panel+Members/42/ & www.alqalam.org.uk/About/47/ . Restructuring the evenings childrens madresahs (especially for the 14-16 ages) to bring extra topics that discuss issues such as aqeedah and taqlid with solid and well ground evidences (i.e. not wishy washy) , amongst other things (i.e. placing a more emphasis on these two issues and a few other in the last year or two of the current darsi-nizami syllabus), will Inshallah go a lot further then a confrontational approach.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2011 13:10
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 27th December 2011 11:55
Daywalk3r wrote:
where's the rest of the talk for this?


Can someone help here?
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 27th December 2011 17:51
Can we have a list of lions we can learn from with their work listed please.
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