Where is Allaah?

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2011 06:33

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Assalamu Alaikum,
Please clarify where is Allah.I hear many different answers.Some scholars say Allah is above seven heavens while other say that He is everywhere.What is the correct opinion?.Also please see below a reply from a scholar who says that Allah is above seven heavens, above the Throne.

Answer:

It is the belief of ahl as-Sunnah wal-Jama'a to which the Ahnaf and all the rightly guided Muslims belong that Allah سبحانه و تعالي is in fact above the skies and not everywhere. However, in what manner Allah Ta'ala is present there is unknown.

It is not the premise of the lay man or woman to indulge in matters regarding the nature of Allah سبحانه و تعالي and engage in discussions and debates. Such matters should be left to specialist qualified ulamaa.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2011 06:35

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Salam,

i really did not want to ask this, but i have to. I am told that it is haram to believe in this concept and those who completely believe that Allah سبحانه وتعالى is in his creation are mushrik. But then at the same time many ulema have upheld the notion of wahdatul wujood - but on what basis can they hold this up, and also one can ask why bring such an issue into aqeedah because it is not something which is found in the times of the salaf or in places like Aqida Thahawiyyah? Also, are there different variants of this?

Answer:

Wa Alaikum Salam,

Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaa'ah do not believe that Allah is within his creation.

If a person believes that Allah is in every creation and concludes that every creation is Allah then they would be Mushrik.

And Allah knows best.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2011 06:47

Where is Allah? - Mufti Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera

It doesn't let me post the link from youtube.
The link on youtube is watch?v=3lgYg_Iw2ak

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2011 06:53

Mufti Saifur Rahman Sahib is telling us that Allaah is above the skies and Mufti Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera is telling us otherwise.

Which one of the two has deviated in his 'Aqeedah?

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2011 06:59

Shaykh Abdur Rahman Ibn Yusuf Mangera will be teaching Aqeedah Tahawiyyah on the 24th December at Masjid Quba. Do you really want to learn 'Aqeedah from someone who doesn't have the belief of ahl as-Sunnah wal-Jama'a?

Mufti Saifur Rahman Sahib wrote:

It is the belief of ahl as-Sunnah wal-Jama'a to which the Ahnaf and all the rightly guided Muslims belong that Allah is in fact above the skies and not everywhere. However, in what manner Allah Ta'ala is present there is unknown.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2011 07:55

Jazakallah.

When a person asks this question, an answer is usually given according to the understanding of the questioner.

www.muftisays.com/forums/sharing-portal/5366/-where-does-...

I haven't seen the video yet and I won't be able to see it until later tonight. However, I have heard Mufti Abdur Rahman mention once.that when he was in Masjid e Nabawi, a guard asked him where Allah was, he knew he was asking a silly question so he replied, (i may have it in the wrong order and incomplete) Allah is above.the Arsh. Then the person asked another question to argue with him, so He replied "Allah is closer to you than your jugular vein" and he also said Allah is with the ones who are patient.
The guard wanted to hear something else but Mufti Abdur Rahman only answered from Quran and Hadith.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2011 08:54

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2011 11:44

"Abu Ahmad" wrote:

Mufti Saifur Rahman Sahib is telling us that Allaah is above the skies and Mufti Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera is telling us otherwise. Which one of the two has deviated in his 'Aqeedah?

Asslamo Allaikum,

What we need is for you to have your brain checked!

Both are saying that Allah (SWT) is SEPARATE & DISTINCT from His (SWT)’s creation. A weeks ago a Salafi brother told me that one of his Pakistani (village) worker believes that Allah (SWT) is physically everywhere.

I said, “NOBODY in the entire Ummah believes that let alone a simple village guy”. You frame of mind and aggression has resulted in your wrong analysis and for him to corner him in a specific way of questioning. Ask the same guy a simple question:

Astaghfiuallul-Adheem!!!

Is Allah (SWT) in Najasah?

The guy clearly replied, “NO”

So I proceeded...How did you then assume that he believes that Allah (SWT) is “physically” everywhere? if he is denying the question above?

The ENTIRE Muslim Ummah believes in the following verse of the Qur’aan

[7:54] Surely, your Lord is Allah who created the heavens and the earth in six days, then He (SWT) then Istawaa on the Throne. He covers the day with the night that pursues it swiftly. (He created) the sun and the moon and the stars, subjugated to His command. Lo! To Him alone belong the creation and the command. Glorious is Allah, the Lord of all the worlds.

We need to then first eliminate any resemblance with the creation.

[42:11] Nothing is like Him...

And then we discuss Jiha (direction), Salaf didn’t even know about this word let alone ascribing it in their Aqeedah. Many Ulamah ascribe Jiha (direction) because it is implied.

Mufti Mangera avoids Jiha because its "implied"

Mufti Mangera (HA) simply affirms “Istawaa on the Throne” and THEN STOPS!

i.e: He has affirmed:

His belief in Allah (SWT)
Istiwa
Avoided resemblance with in creation
Avoided discussing the matter further

Jazakullah Khairun

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2011 22:08

Muadh_Khan wrote:

What we need is for you to have your brain checked!

Both are saying that Allah (SWT) is SEPARATE & DISTINCT from His (SWT)'s creation.

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Their 'Aqeedah is different, Mufti Saifur Rahman Sahib clearly affirms that Allaah is above the skies when he said "It is the belief of ahl as-Sunnah wal-Jama'a to which the Ahnaf and all the rightly guided Muslims belong that Allah سبحانه و تعالي is in fact above the skies and not everywhere. However, in what manner Allah Ta'ala is present there is unknown." and Mufti Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera doesn't affirm that, that's why he said "To take one of those and to establish an 'Aqdeedah which you shove down everybody's throat is really problematic" (from 1:55-2:01) and similarly he said "The majority of the 'Ulamaa agree that this was just a test and it was not to try to establish the location of Allaah" (from 2:35-2:42)

Then he gives us the meaning of Istiwaa when he said "Then he focussed on the heavens, he turned his attention to the heavens" (from 2:52-2:56)

Who from the salaf interpreted it in this way?

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And then we discuss Jiha (direction), Salaf didn't even know about this word let alone ascribing it in their Aqeedah. Many Ulamah ascribe Jiha (direction) because it is implied.

'Abdullaah bin Ahmad bin Hanbal narrates on his father (Ahmad bin Hanbal) in "ar-rad 'ala al-jahmiyyah" and mentions an authentic unbroken chain to Maalik bin Anas that he said: "Allaah is above the heavens, and his knowledge is everywhere, nothing is hidden from him"

'Abdullaah bin Al-Haakim narrates an authentic unbroken chain to Al-Awzaa'ee who said: "we (the tabi'oon) say, 'Indeed Allaah is above his 'arsh, and we believe that which has been mentioned in the sunnah as regards to his sifaat'"

There are hundreds of explicit statements of the salf as-saliheen in regards to the jiha of Allaah.

Please don't defend anyone because he claims to be from your jama'ah. Mufti Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera has fallen into tafweed and followed the madhab of the Jahmiyyah in his 'Aqeedah. I ask Allaah to protect us all from that.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2011 22:09

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2011 22:14

abu mohammed wrote:

I haven't seen the video yet and I won't be able to see it until later tonight. However...

This is not an attack on you, just some advice inshaAllaahu Ta'aala. Please don't comment on things until you've seen the proof, always wanting to reply to a post has become a common practice among the brothers, it could really destroy us when we stand in front of Allaah.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2011 23:06

Yes I do like to always reply, specially when someone is trying to cause fitnah or has made a mistake or even cracked a joke. Many appreciate it and a few can't stand it when they get told.

If you hadn't removed the rest of my comment, readers would see that I clarified a misconception and also posted a link about kids and how to talk to them. Did you read it?

Just so you know, I still haven't got in front of a pc to view this link.

Do you know Mufti saifur Rahman, do you know where he studied or who his teachers were?

Did you read through the links?

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2011 23:50

abu mohammed wrote:

I'm sorry akhi but you have been caught lying and deceiving many times on this forum, especially when it comes to defending one of your hanafee muftis (these are not my words, I'm simply just quoting those who have accused you of this on a number of occasions).

The video is very clear mashaAllaah, maybe brother muadh and yourself should carefully listen to it.

Barakallaahu Feekum

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 20th October 2011 00:18

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Forgive me for defending a Muslim brother but.......

You say to abu mohammed, "you HAVE been CAUGHT lying and deceiving many times on this forum"

Then you say, "(these are not my words, I'm simply quoting those who have accused you of this on a number of occasions)"

So in the first place you directly accuse him of lying and deceiving.

Then you say that it's others who ACCUSE him and you take the 'others' word as Haq and apply to him before saying from who.

You also apply this same 'accusation' to him with emphasis on when he defends a scholar. So defending scholars is also a sin in your books now.

Subhanallah. Why are you causing so much Fitnah?

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 20th October 2011 00:38

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check the thread "the salafi hijack" how many people accuse him of lying, deception and many other crimes.

Why am I causing fitnah?

you should ask abu mohammed the same question, I think he was the one that started the thread "the salafi hijack", and I think he was the one that started the majority of the threads refuting the salafis, try and count the complaints against him, then think twice about who you defend.

He claims he's a laymen and has to do taqleed, then he decides to speak up and refute, a muqallid can't refute because his job is to be quiet and follow.

It's very funny that You, Abu Mohammed and Muadh Khan always defend each other, even if the person doesn't deserve to be defended in a particular case, I think you deserve to be called

THE THREE MUSKETEERS

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