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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2010 12:35
As soon as I open my mouth regarding the method of Salah, I get hammered with "In Sahih Bukhari, The Prophet says PRAY AS YOU HAVE SEEN ME PRAY"

Then I get told that there is no difference in the Salah of the men and women. OK, I accept the Hadith. But 99% of the time I get this Hadith quoted to me, I ask the person (not that he/she is wrong, but because thats all they know) I say "Pray what like you see the Prophet pray? Salah, Quran, Tasbeeh, Zikr, Dua?

My next point would be about Darwin, If he wants to believe that he comes from Apes, then thats his problem, I come from Adam (as), And if you want to pray like a Woman, then thats your problem, I want to Pray like a Man, as taught by the Prophet. (Peace & Blessings Be Upon Him)

Women's Prayer: Why is it different?

From: THE SALAH OF WOMEN Click on it to read full article.

Published by Madrasah Arabiyyah Islamiyah (Aazadville)


Proofs from Prophetic Hadiths

Imam Bayhaqi has mentioned a principle which is the basis of the differences found in the salah of males and females.

He says:

"The separating factor between the laws of salah of males and females is that of concealment . A woman is commanded to do all those actions which are more concealing for her. " (as-Sunan al-Kubra alil-Bayhaqi: vol. 2 p 222)

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RAISING THE HANDS

Wa'il ibn Hujr states that Rasulullah said to him, "O Ibn Hujr, when you perform salah, raise your hands till your ears while a woman should raise her hands till her chest ." (Majma' uz-Zawaa'id: vol. 2 p 103, and I'laa us-Sunan: vol. 2 p 156)


"Abd Rabbih Ibn Zaytun said that he saw Umm ud-Dardaa raising her hands parallel to her shoulders when beginning salah. " (al-Musannaf li-Ibn Abi Shaybah: vol. 1 p 239)


"`Ataa was asked how a woman should raise her hands in salah. He replied that she should raise them till her breast " (Ibid)


"Hammad ibn Salamah al-Basri used to say that a woman should raise her hands parallel to her breast when beginning salah. " (Ibid)

Hammad was based at Kufa and he used to issue this fatwa.

The narration of Ibn Jurayj has been mentioned as follows:

Ibn Jurayj said, "I asked Ataa whether a woman should gesture with her hands like a male when making takbir. Ataa replied that she should not raise her hands like a male. Then he practically indicated with his hands how it should be done by lowering his hands and drawing them very close to his body. Then he said, "In the raising of the hands, a woman is unlike a man . And if she leaves that, there is no harm. "

The Muslim Ummah continued this practice over the centuries. Imam Zuhri used to issue the same fatwa in Madinah. (Here we need the rules of Ijma of the Ummah)

PLACING THE HANDS

Allamah Abdul-Hayy Luckhnawi writes:

"As for women, the jurists are unanimous that it is sunnah for them to place their hands on their bosoms. " (as-Si'aayah: vol. 2 p 152) There is ijmaa' on this mas'alah.

SAJDAH

Imam Abu Dawud has narrated the following hadith in his Maraaseel:

"Yazid ibn Abi Habib states that Rasulullah passed by two women who were performing their salah. He said to them, "When you prostrate, then make the parts of your body touch the ground because a woman is unlike a man in these aspects. " (Maraaseel Abi Dawud p 118; and its like in as-Sunan al-Kubra alil- Bayhaqi: vol. 2 p 223)

Imam Bayhaqi narrates the following hadith:

Abdullah Ibn Umar reports that Rasulullah said, "When a woman sits during salah, she should place her one thigh over the other and when she prostrates, she must attach the stomach to her thighs so that is more concealing for her. Indeed, Allah looks at her and tells the angels, "O My angels! Bear witness hat I have forgiven her. "" (as-Sunan al-Kubra alil-Bayhaqi: vol. 2 p 223)

Imam Abu Bakr Ibn Abi Shaybah narrates the following statement of Ali:

"It is reported that Ali said: "When a woman performs salah, she must practise ihtifaaz and keep her thighs close together. "" (al-Musannaf li-Ibn Abi Shaybah: vol. 1 p 270, and it has been taken many ways, Abdur-Razzaq has taken it from Isra'il from Abu Is'haq from Harith from Ali and Ibn Abi Shaybah took it from Abul-Ahwas from Abu Is'haq and Bayhaqi took it from Abul-Ahwas, with the mentioned sanad)

Imam Abdur-Razzaq has quoted the following hadith in his Musannaf:

Ali says, "When a woman prostrates, she must practise ihtifaz and keep her thighs close to her stomach. " (al-Musannaf li-Abdir-Razzaq: vol. 3 p 138)

"Ihtifaaz": to lean on one side and rest on the posterior. (See Lugaat al-Hadith: vol. 1 p 98)


The following narration has been quoted by Bayhaqi: "Ali said: " When a woman performs sajdah she must keep her thighs close together. ""(as-Sunan al-Kubra alil-Bayhaqi: vol. 2 p 222)



The following narration appears in Kanz ul-Ummal: "Ibn Umar states that when a woman prostrates, she must let her stomach touch her thighs in order to make herself completely concealed. "(Kanz ul-Ummal: vol. 4 p 117)

Imam Ibn Abi Shaybah narrates:

"Ibrahim says that when a woman prostrates she should join her thighs to her stomach without raising her posterior and without stretching her limbs out like a male. "(al-Musannaf li-Ibn Abi Shaybah: vol. 1 p 270)



The following words have been narrated by Ibrahim Nakha'i:

"Ibrahim said that when a woman prostrates she must draw her thighs inwards and place her stomach on them. " (Ibid)

Mujaahid:

"Muhaahid used to dislike that a man attach his stomach to his thighs as a woman does. " (Ibid)


Hasan al-Basri: "Hishaam reports from Hasan who says that woman should draw herself closely together in sajdah. "(Ibid)

Imam Abdur-Razzaq narrates:

Ibrahim says, "A woman used to be commanded to place her arm and her stomach on her thigh when she goes into sajdah and not to spread her limbs out as a male does so that her buttocks are not raised. " (al-Musannaf li-Abdir-Razzaq: vol. 3 p 138)

Allamah Muhammad Taahir al-Gujaraati narrates:

"When a lady performs salah, she must contract herself when she sits down and when she goes into sajdah and she must not spread her limbs out. " (Majma' Bihar l-Anwaar: vol. 1 p 521)


Based on these narrations, the Fuqahaa have issued the following ruling:

"A woman should contract herself in sajdah and join her stomach to her thighs because this is more concealing for her. "(al-Hidaayah: vol. 1 p 53)



THE SITTING POSITION

It is mentioned in the Musnad of Imam Abu Hanifah rahimahullah:"Abdullah ibn Umar was asked how women performed their salah during the era of Rasulullah. He replied that initially they performed tarabbu'. Then they were ordered to themselves close together and lean onto one side by resting on their left buttocks and completely contracting themselves. " (Jaami' ul-Masaaneed: vol. 1 p 400)


Taraabu' is to sit cross legged. This narration indicates that initially the women sat in the position of tarabbu' but this command was later abrogated and they were ordered to draw themselves close together and lean onto one side by resting on their left buttocks and completely contracting themselves.



Sheikh Abu’l-Wafaa Afghaani writes: "This is the most authentic narration of this chapter i.e. the sitting position of women . It is for this reason that Imam Abu Hanifah has made it the basis of his madh'hab. " (Ta'leeqash-Sheikh Abul-Wafaa Afghaani ala Kitab il-Aathaar lil-Imam Muhammad ash-Shaybaani: vol. 1 p 208)


Abu Bakr Ibn Abi Shaybah narrates:

When Ibn Abbas was asked about the salaah of a woman, he replied, "She must draw herself close together and lean onto one side by resting on her left buttock. " (al-Musannaf li-Ibn Abi Shaybah: vol. 1 p270)


In another narration of Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah (vol . 1 p270), one finds the following words:

Ibrahim said: "A woman should sit in salah as a man does."


This quotation indicates permissibility. However, Naasir ud-Din al-Albaani has interpolated the words of this narration thus:

"A woman should so as a man does in salah." (Sifatu Salatin-Nabiy p 207)

This interpolation has clearly changed the meaning of the words and is a misleading act.

The following narration is also quoted by Ibn Abi Shaybah:

Khalid ibn Lajlaaj said that women were commanded with tarabbu' when they sat in salah and they should not sit like men on their buttocks. That is in order that nothing happens. " (al-Musannaf li-Ibn Abi Shaybah: vol. 1 p 270)


The Fuqahaa took these narrations into consideration and delivered the following ruling:

"A woman should sit on her left buttock and position her legs out on her right hand side because that is more concealing for her. " (al-Hidaayah: vol. 1 p 55)

The above narrations indicate that Ibrahim Nakha'i used to issue the fatwa in Kufain accordance with this practise, while in Madinah, Mujhaahid did likewise as did Hasan Basri in Basrah.

These Hadith and Aathaar clearly indicate that the salah of females differs from that of males.

I hope that answers your answer not Question, Dr. Naik
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2010 12:38
Mawlana Yasin, I authorized this post but it has not worked
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2010 13:19
Would you like me to re do it, I have the text typed out on Word too, just incase I did something wrong.

If so, then you will need to delete this thread and start from scratch.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2010 13:47
ok, let me delete it first then try again
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2010 13:49
i dont think i'm authorized to delete as i cant see the delete sign..better wait for admin
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2010 13:56
no problem InshaAllah.

I'm away from the PC at the moment, no rush.

stopped for Zohar & lunch.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2010 19:54
Salam, the center bbcode was causing this issue (nested in the (B) bbcode)

I've also removed the video according to our terms and conditions.

Please use video2mp3.net to convert the video to mp3 as there's no need for the video.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2010 19:54
PS. mp3 can be embedded using [mp3 ]link[/mp3 ] (without space)
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 19th October 2010 21:03
I dont need the Video or the Audio, its not a problem, but the links to the posts are missing. They were links to my posts regarding this subject.

Can the replies that are not needed, be deleted.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 20th October 2010 12:05
abu mohammed wrote:

Can the replies that are not needed, be deleted.


assalaamu 'alaykum
i think you may be able to delete the replies if you have a delete option at the end of the page..scroll down and see if there is an option with a cross on it...not sure but as you are moderator on this section you may have the option
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 20th October 2010 12:07
Actually it will delete the whole topic so don't use the delete option...sorry
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 20th October 2010 12:12
Then let it remain as it is. The Post is important!

Funny, but I think this post is targeted towards the men more than the women.

What is the opinion out there?
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