Salafi groups created by non Muslim allies

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2024 22:49

The Saudi government has explicitly admitted that it creates, funds, and spreads Salafi groups at the request of its non-Muslim allies.

For example, the Cold War, lasted from the 1940s to the 1990s. During this period, the US and the communist Soviet Union struggled for influence over the Muslim world. The Saudi Arabian government has revealed that during this Cold War, the US requested that it spread anti-communist Salafi religiosity throughout Muslim countries to prevent Soviet influence.

During the 1980s, with the encouragement of the US, Saudis made special efforts to spread militant anti-communist Salafi regiosity in Afghanistan, to encourage the people there to rebel against Soviet forces in the country, and thereby weaken the Soviet Union.

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www.rt.com/news/422563-saudi-wahhabism-western-countries/...

www.moroccoworldnews.com/2018/03/243388/spread-wahhabism-...

This being that case, it can be said that for many decades the Saudi government has created Salafi groups used by its non-Muslim allies, like the US. The US, is, of course, under heavy influence from Israel. Hence, there is no a great deal of difference between creating Salafi groups for use by the US, and creating Salafi groups for use by Israel.

Thus, Qaeda/ISIS and the Madkhalis are both fake Salafi groups. They are run by intelligence agencies from two closely allied states: Saudi Arabia and Israel. They are used to help Israel achieve its regional goals.

NOTE: The Salafi movement itself is not a creation of Saudi Arabia. Many of its key ideas can be traced to various pre-1800 figures like Ibn Hanbal, Ibn Taymiyya, and Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab. However, Salafism proper only emerged in the late twentieth century with scholars like al-Albani, Bin Baz, Ibn Uthaymin, and Muqbil bin Hadi al-Wadi'i. Salafism has attracted individuals across the world due to the piety of its members and the strength of their scholarly arguments.

Nevertheless, Saudi Arabia exerts far more influence over the Salafi movement than any other state. This is because it has officially adopted Salafism as its state religion. Additionally, it has used its vast oil wealth to create and fund thousands of Salafi religious organizations across the globe, including schools, mosques, media outlets, and charities. Saudi Arabia also runs the most influential Salafi religious universities (e.g., Madinah University, Umm al-Qura, Muhammad ibn Saud).

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 15th January 2024 07:13

British conspiricy
The journalist, David Livingstone wrote an excellent treatise exposing the British conspiracy. He states:

“The communal effort to codify the intricacies of Islamic law is one of the great intellectual achievements of history. And by the ninth century, it was decided that four leading schools would be recognized as representative of Sunni orthodoxy. The schools, known as a Maddhabs, differed on minor points, but were considered mutually compatible.

Therefore, Islamic law was essentially incorruptible. From that point forward, the Doors of Ijtihad ("independent reasoning") were considered closed.

This posed a challenge to the British "Divide and Conquer" strategy of creating sects based on corruptions of the religion. Therefore they sponsored a wave of these so-called "Revivalists" who all demanded a re-opening of the Doors of Ijtihad, beginning with Mohammed Abdul Wahhab, in the mid-1700s.

Wahhab, a crypto Jew, was sponsored by another crypto-Jew, Ibn Saud, the progenitor of Saudi Arabia. He denounced the Maddhabs and called for a return to the sources, the Quran and Sunnah, undefiled by "human" opinion. He also called a "Jihad" against the Muslims, first within Arabia, and ultimately against the Ottoman Empire.

In 1932, again with British support, the Saud clan seized control of Arabia, which they proceeded to name after themselves. They also seized al Haramain, the sacred precincts of Mecca and Medina and masqueraded as defenders of Sunni Islam.

In 1933, they signed away oil concessions to the Rockefellers' Standard Oil, now Exxon Mobil, the world's third largest company by revenue, and the second largest publicly traded company by market cap. 90% of Saudi revenues from from oil, largely managed by the Rockefellers' Exxon Mobil.

The extraordinary Saudi wealth was a key factor in their support for the spread of Wahhabism, as well as the related Salafi movement, which have since essentially become one.

Salafism began in the eighteenth century, headed by a notorious imposter and British agent by the name of Jamal ud Din al Afghani. Afghani was not only the Grand Master of the Freemasons of Egypt, but also a pivotal figure in the European Occult Revival, which included H. P. Blavatsky and Aleister Crowley. Afghani was also an original source of the Masonic teachings of the wayward Nation of Islam in the US.

Afghani's British handler, Wilfred Scawen Blunt, was the first to propose the establishment of a British controlled "Caliphate" (leader of the entire Muslim community) to replace the Ottoman Empire. The idea of a neo-caliphate was later actively pursued by T. E. Lawrence, aka "Lawrence of Arabia," who managed the Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire on behalf of the Illuminati Royal Institute for International Affairs (RIIA), the sister organization of the Rockefellers' CFR.”

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 15th January 2024 09:25

Recently I heard Maulana Ibrahim sahib saying "Do not leave/dilute ethics and justice in disagreement". He was quoting a hadith here.

We may disagree with certain group, that doesn't mean we accuse the group of some thing which doesn't exist in them.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 15th January 2024 13:57

IJMA' ON THE DESIRABILITY OF DISPARAGING THOSE WHO MISGUIDE OTHERS

Another Ijma’ (consensus) corroborated by numerous other authorities is the following one related by Imam al-Ghazali, in which he explains the necessity of belittling and disparaging all these charlatans who drag countless people with them into the depths of Jahannum:

_“The ways of the Salaf-us-Saaliheen (radhiyallahu anhum) would differ in expressing hatred for the sake of Allah towards the perpetrators of sins (i.e. private sins which do not affect or influence others). *However, ALL of them reached consensus on expressing hatred for the oppressors and innovators, and all who disobeyed Allah with a sin that extends from himself to others…”*_

وكلهم اتفقوا على إظهار البغض للظلمة و المبتدعة وكل من عصى الله بمعصية متعدية منه إلى غيره

Imam al-Ghazali explains why the issue of condemning these charlatans who misguide the masses is more severe than it is for the Kuffaar:

_“…the matter in condemning him is more severe than it is for a Kaafir, because the evil of a Kaafir does not extend [beyond himself] as Muslims believe he is a Kaafir so will pay no attention to his speech as he makes no claim for himself of being a Muslim and believing the truth. As for the innovator who propagates his innovation, and claims what he calls to is true, he is a cause for the misguidance of people, and thus his evil does extend [beyond himself]..”_

في الإنكار عليه أشد منه على الكافر لأن شر الكافر غير متعد فإن المسلمين اعتقدوا كفره فلا يلتفتون إلى قوله إذ لا يدعى لنفسه الإسلام واعتقاد الحق أما المبتدع الذي يدعوا إلا البدعة ويزعم أن ما يدعو إليه حق فهو سبب لغواية الخلق فشره متعد

Hence, the Shariah demands exposing, belittling and disparaging such charlatans:

_“Thus the desirability of expressing hatred of him, hostility towards him, disassociation from him and belittling him, and disparaging him for his innovation, and driving people away from him, is greater.”_

فالاستحباب في إظهار بغضه ومعاداته والانقطاع عنه وتحقيره والتشنيع عليه ببدعته وتنفير الناس عنه أشد

All of these liberal modernists who fraudulently claim affiliation to our tradition invariably tend to find such a tenet, entrenched permanently in the Shariah by Ijma’ (consensus), extremely unpalatable. Moronic and far-fetched reasonings are generally proffered by these liberals in order to circumvent or water down this important tenet of the Deen which serves as a vital vanguard to protect the Ummah from satanic infiltration. More commonly, this tenet of the Shariah is generally received with a deafening silence, since these liberal modernists themselves form an integral cog in Shaytan’s scheme of infiltration.

In reality, the slogan of “tolerance” and “unity” trumpeted by these liberal modernists are but deceptive canards. Their tolerance is restricted to only their own kind. Their idea of unity precludes unity with the Haqq. They bear the greatest of intolerance to the Haqq. Take the example of shaving the beard and the “tolerance” of such liberals for the view that shaving is “mutilation”, “akin to chopping off one’s penis”, “imitation of the Kuffaar”, “imitation of women”, “a huge transgression of the Shari’ah”, “plucking a few hairs causes one’s Shahaadat to become Mardood”, etc. etc.

While exhibiting extreme tolerance for every conceivable Shaytaniyaat, these fraudsters harbour extreme intolerance for the Haqq as represented by all of these Shafi’i Mujtahideen. While their filthy tongues maintain complete silence over the world of filth, not infrequently do words slip out of their wagging tongues which provide a revealing glimpse into the extreme hatred and intolerance for the Haqq nurtured and harboured in their terminally diseased hearts.

[Excerpt from "The Shafi’i Madh-hab and the Beard"]

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 15th January 2024 17:17

I quote an reputed scholar:

"if the fifth group compiles and documents usools, documents all their masail, do not target the Aimma, we are ready to accept this group as fifth madhab"

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 15th January 2024 19:02

Nabi ﷺ mentioned there will be 73 sects and 1 will go to Jannah. The group is from the people described below. Allah Ta'ala will deal with the other 72 as he pleases and in Sha Allah they will also eventually enter Jannah. Note Qadiyanis are not a sect, that's a different religion all together.

The one saved sect is such that in Sha Allah as soon as their eyes close they attain salvation. The whole preservation of the Shariah is based on this, to keep the Deen in Pristine condition so that a person can gain immediate salvation. Majority of the Ummah is from this saved sect and that is why we are constantly facing hardships because of my antics and not implementing Shari'ah on my own person. Allah Ta'ala wants it that we become purified here and don't face any further problems because anything beyond this world's hardship is a different beast all together.

Nabi ﷺ said:

"This people of mine is one to which mercy is shown. It will have no punishment in the next world, but its punishment in this world will be trials, earthquakes and being killed."

Sunan Abu Dawood

To give this reputable scholar the benefit of the doubt, he's saying it in a manner that it's quite obvious they will not achieve the mentioned goal.
This can not be taken seriously at face value and who ever thinks so is a lost cause. We are 1400 years down the line. The Madhabs have been codified from the best eras.
Why stop at the 5th let a 6th or 7th come. May Allah Ta'ala grant us true understanding of Deen.

THE AHLUS SUNNAH WAL JAMA'AH

The followers of Imaam Maturidi and Imaam Ashari are known as the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah. Most of the followers of the Shaafi, Maaliki and Hambali Math-habs are the followers of Imaam Ash'ari (rahmatullah alayh) whilst the followers of Imaam Abu Hanifah (rahmatullah alayhi follow Imaum Maturidi (rahmatullah alayh).

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 16th January 2024 01:32

In today's environment, for personalities like late Ahmed Deedaat and dr ZN, la Madhab makes their task easier.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 16th January 2024 03:42

An intelligent person would have been able to deduce from the explanation given about The Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah that apart from the major Fiqh issues, the Firqah e Baatila also has major Aqaaid issues.

Khilaf e Aula Masaail are not the main point of contention. Those are tackled to display how badly the other party is struggling in the sphere of understanding basics of Quraan and Hadith as well as combatting their disrespect towards the Aimmah e Mujtahideen.

The Masaail are mainly about their egregiously defective understanding when it comes to Aqeedah. Their incorrect beliefs take people towards committing Kufr.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 16th January 2024 08:30

I interact with salafee followers. I have found that there is a wide spectrum of type of salafee followers. There are followers who follow the fiqh offered by their ulema and move on. At the other end there are who slander Aimma mujtahideen. They are more Bitter on Imam abu Hanifah RA. I defend ahnaf and get abused, blocked, banned etc.

We Ahnaf/deobandees too have similar spectrum, from the moderates..... to offering fatwa of kufr on silly reasons.

Let us move on, read Shaykh Ali Mian Nadvi RA, life will be simple.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 16th January 2024 08:41

Shaikh Saaleh Bin Fauzan says:

ﻭﻫﺎ ﻫﻢ ﺍﻷﺋﻤﺔ ﻣﻦ ﺍﻟﻤﺤﺪﺛﻴﻦ ﺍﻟﻜﺒﺎﺭ ﻛﺎﻧﻮﺍ ﻣﺬﻫﺒﻴﻴﻦ، ﻓﺸﻴﺦ ﺍﻹﺳﻼﻡ ﺍﺑﻦ ﺗﻴﻤﻴﺔ ﻭﺍﺑﻦ ﺍﻟﻘﻴﻢ ﻛﺎﻧﺎ ﺣﻨﺒﻠﻴﻴﻦ، ﻭﺍﻹﻣﺎﻡ ﺍﻟﻨﻮﻭﻱ ﻭﺍﺑﻦ ﺣﺠﺮ ﻛﺎﻧﺎ ﺷﺎﻓﻌﻴﻴﻦ، ﻭﺍﻹﻣﺎﻡ ﺍﻟﻄﺤﺎﻭﻱ ﻛﺎﻥ ﺣﻨﻔﻴﺎ، ﻭﺍﻹﻣﺎﻡ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﺒﺪ ﺍﻟﺒﺮ ﻛﺎﻥ ﻣﺎﻟﻜﻴﺎ .ﻟﻴﺲ ﺍﻟﺘﻤﺬﻫﺐ ﺑﺄﺣﺪ ﺍﻟﻤﺬﺍﻫﺐ ﺍﻷﺭﺑﻌﺔ ﺿﻼﻻ ﺣﺘﻰ ﻳﻌﺎﺏ ﺑﻪ ﺻﺎﺣﺒﻪ .ﺑﻞ ﺇﻥ ﺍﻟﺬﻱ ﻳﺨﺮﺝ ﻋﻦ ﺃﻗﻮﺍﻝ ﺍﻟﻔﻘﻬﺎﺀ ﺍﻟﻤﻌﺘﺒﺮﻳﻦ ﻭﻫﻮ ﻏﻴﺮ ﻣﺆﻫﻞ ﻟﻼﺟﺘﻬﺎﺩ ﺍﻟﻤﻄﻠﻖ ﻫﻮ ﺍﻟﺬﻱ ﻳﻌﺘﺒﺮ ﺿﺎﻻ ﻭﺷﺎﺫﺍ.

[A’anaatul Mustafeed Bisharah Kitaabit-Tauheed, Vol: 1, Page: 12]

”Yani Aur Ye Hamaare Paas Aimma Muhaddiseen Hain Jo Mazaahib E Arba Me Se Kisi ek
Mazhab Ki Pairawi Karte Thhe.

Allama Ibne Taimiyya Wa Ibne Qayyim (Rh.) Hanbali Thhe,

Imaam Nawawi Wa Ibne Hajar (Rh) Shaafai Thhe..

Imaam Tahawi (Rha) Hanafi Thhe.

Aur Imaam Ibne Abdul Bar (Rh) Maaliki Thhe.

Chaaron Mazaahib Me Se Kisi ek Mazhaab Ki Pairawi Karna Gumraahi Nahi Hai Jiski Badaulat Kisi Ko Tanqeed Ka Nishaana Banaaya Jaaye Balke Jo Shakhs Motbar Fuqaha Ke Aqwaal Se Baahar Jaata Hai Aur Usme ijtihaad Ki Salaahiyet Nahi Hai To iska Haq Hai Ke Usko Gumraah Kaha Jaaye.”

Similar statements are avaiable from Shaykh Uthaimeen, he explains that Taqleed existed among Sahabah. He has offered a ruling to stick to one madhab. (scans can't be posted here)

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 16th January 2024 10:17

Please provide clear examples of Fatwas of Kufr given for silly reasons.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 16th January 2024 12:10

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What about this:

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Wahhab, a crypto Jew, was sponsored by another crypto-Jew, Ibn Saud, the progenitor of Saudi Arabia.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 16th January 2024 12:16

The author, David Livingstone, delves into a controversial narrative, alleging a British conspiracy to manipulate Islamic law through historical figures like Mohammed Abdul Wahhab. The intricate web of geopolitical maneuvering, sponsorship of specific movements, and alleged covert agendas outlined in the treatise paints a complex picture of external influence on religious dynamics and regional politics.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 16th January 2024 18:24

Please provide clear examples of Fatwas of Kufr given for silly reasons.

JazakAllah Khair

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2024 01:56

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Vow!!!!

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