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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 8th March 2020 17:48
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Kuraib reported that Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i.e. her son) to Sayyidina Mu'awiya (RA) in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced.

I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Sayyidina Abdullah Ibn 'Abbas (RA) asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said.: We saw it on the night of Friday. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? -I said: Yes, and the people also saw it and they observed fast and Mu'awiya also observed fast, whereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we would continue to observe fast till we complete thirty (fasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal).

I said: Is the sighting of the moon by Mu'awiya not valid for you? He said: "No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has commanded us". Yahya b. Yahya was in doubt (whether the word used in the narration by Kuraib) was Naktafi or Taktafi. [Muslim]
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 8th March 2020 17:54
It is neither global nor local sighting, hilal is declared without sighting. There is no crescent present on horizon and it is declared as sighted.
It is Hilal fixing or ceserean moon birth.
For cesarean birth, the doctor asks the patient what day is convenient for her.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 8th March 2020 17:54
This post has been reported. It could be due to breaking rules or something as simple as bad use of bbcodes which breaks the page format. We will attend to this soon.
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 8th March 2020 17:57
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According to the Zaahir-e-Riwaayat (view considered for Fatwa), it is not considered which means that one reliable sighting anywhere (not only Saudia Arabia) in the world is valid. However, the problem in the sighting of the moon, as you correctly stated that there are many errors in the sighting of the moon in Saudi Arabia. If the errors are rectified and after Shahaadah of an individual/s sighting the moon, decision is taken in consultation with the officials of the Hilaal Sighting Committee, then it will be valid for the entire Muslim Ummah. Similar procedures must be put in place in other countries as well, as the moon may be sighted elsewhere and not necessarily Saudia Arabia
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islamqa.org/hanafi/askimam/28709

Like i said i havent researched this issue, and I have no problem in people discussing it and proving a view as erroneous. I like when people in ine region follow each other, as it feels odd to be fasting and seeing your neighbors celebrating eid on social media.

Just be consistent with your ( not you personally) approach regardless of the topic and don't shut down arguments and points in other topics in the name of taqleed and following Ulama :).
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 8th March 2020 18:03
I won't understand this:
Malaysia and Japan are declaring positive moon sighting then why Saudi astronomers are attempting moon sighting. They are breaking their own global sighting principle.
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2020 10:30
(The Greeks worked out the earth was round and not flat before the time of Jesus (pbuh))

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So, on June 21 he planted a stick directly in the ground and waited to see if a shadow would be cast at noon. It turns out there was one. And it measured about 7 degrees.

Now, if the sun's rays are coming in at the same angle at the same time of day, and a stick in Alexandria is casting a shadow while a stick in Syene is not, it must mean that the Earth's surface is curved. And Eratosthenes probably already knew that.

The idea of a spherical Earth was floated around by Pythagoras around 500 BC and validated by Aristotle a couple centuries later. If the Earth really was a sphere, Eratosthenes could use his observations to estimate the circumference of the entire planet.

Since the difference in shadow length is 7 degrees in Alexandria and Syene, that means the two cities are 7 degrees apart on Earth's 360-degrees surface. Eratosthenes hired a man to pace the distance between the two cities and learned they were 5,000 stadia apart, which is about 800 kilometres.

He could then use simple proportions to find the Earth's circumference — 7.2 degrees is 1/50 of 360 degrees, so 800 times 50 equals 40,000 kilometers. And just like that, a man 2200 years ago found the circumference of our entire planet with just a stick and his brain.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2020 10:30
Loading Qur'aan Verse
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2020 11:38
The first lesson taught in astronomy is
The observer must believe that the observer is at the center of universe and the whole universe is rotating around him. Else calculations are impossible.
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2020 11:59
Flat earthers have claimed that the Quran also claims that the Earth is flat by quoting:
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There is no contradiction between saying that it is round and saying that it was spread out, because in fact in its totality it is round, but to the one who stands on it and looks at it, it appears flat, as it appears to everyone.

Others translate the word Dahaha as an egg and not just a normal egg, the egg of an ostrich!

Ar-Raazi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

If it is said: Do the words “And the earth We spread out” indicate that it is flat?

We would respond: Yes, because the earth, even though it is round, is an enormous sphere, and each little part of this enormous sphere, when it is looked at, appears to be flat. As that is the case, this will dispel what they mentioned of confusion. The evidence for that is the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And the mountains as pegs” [an-Naba’ 78:7]. He called them awtaad (pegs) even though these mountains may have large flat surfaces. And the same is true in this case.

End quote from Tafseer ar-Raazi, 19/131

Shaykh ash-Shanqeeti (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

If the scholars of Islam affirm that the earth is round, then what would they say about the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Do they not look at the camels, how they are created?

And at the heaven, how it is raised?

And at the mountains, how they are rooted and fixed firm?

And at the earth, how it is spread out?”

[al-Ghaashiyah 88:17-20].

Their response will be the same as their response concerning the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water” [al-Kahf 18:86] – that is, as it appears to be in the eye of the beholder, because the sun sets on one country, but remains up in the sky for another, until it rises from the east on the following morning. So the earth looks flat in every region or part of it, because of its immense size.

This does not contradict its real shape, because we may see a very high mountain, but if we climb it and reach its summit we may find a flat surface there, and find an entire nation living there, and some of the people there may not know anything about the rest of the world, and so on. End quote.

Dr. Zakir Naik earth is ostrich egg shaped
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2020 12:43
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Saudi's don't enforce global sighting and neither do they correctly site the moon on most occasions. In fact, Saudi don't do 12 monthly sightings. Saudi scholars are clear that other nations must follow the sighting of their own country etc. This is well known.

It's other nations and other ill educated groups who incorrectly follow Saudi just because of Hajj and other reasons. Such groups do not take the teaching of the Saudi scholars that they should not be followed.

Also, Allah doesn't call it "The New Moon" in his infinite wisdom, Allah says; "New Moons" i.e. we will sight it differently so we will have different new moons and different dates.
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