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#46 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 15:42

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Well Mufti Abdur Rahman was the Imam of my local Masjid and in the upper halls of the Masjid, sisters were invited to listen to the lectures. (entrance from the street is different, but the footpath is the same and in close proximity)

Sometimes, these lectures would be for men and women or men only or women only.

No need for any recorded clips as proof.

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#47 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 15:45

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There are 3 fatwas posted today above that state it is not permissible and/or Makrooh Tahreemi for women to come to the Masjid for Islamic education & alternative solutions are proposed.

You have not provided alternative evidence on the matter. Instead you keep diverting the topic about how bad the language is & other issues not pertaining to the matter at hand.

Either provide the evidence that there is absolutely nothing wrong for women to come to the Masjid for talks with their Mahram & without their Mahram in this day & age when majority of women don't dress properly or kindly do one.

NB: I do not want your unqualified opinion on the matter. Provide in writing what other Ulama say on the matter.

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#48 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 15:49

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Did he invite them? How do you know he invited them & agrees with it?

His silence is not proof that he agrees with it. He kept silent on the moonsighting issue despite not being in agreement with it.

Proof is required. Don't be so blasé & trivialise the matter. Provide explicit proof of the stance please.

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#49 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 15:51

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Mufti Taqi Uthmani:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FNcxBvIFAw
seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/2011/06/26/are-women-allowed...

Mufti Abdur Rahman Ibn Yusuf:
islamqa.org/hanafi/zamzam-academy/20429

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#50 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 15:53

This is becoming absurd now!

Ulama can present Fataawa differently according to their own area's. So if each one of gets a fatwa that contradicts, What's the problem?

When asking for a fatwa, make it so detailed that you leave no leaf unturned. When you get a response, it will be based on what you have detailed.

Silly comments about how the sisters are dressed is "Silly". Sisters go to the lectures/mosques appropriately dressed.

Its not Haram for them to attend mosques, but it would be heavily disliked/haram if there was only one small door for the entrance and the men and women were to enter from the same door at the same time!!!!! Come on guys. Grow up and stop this nonsense.

Anymore personal remarks, and the thread will be locked.

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#51 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 15:55

Assalamu alaykum

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#52 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 15:56

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Mufti Saab, stands up after Salah and makes a personal announcement and tells the men to send their womenfolk.

Unfortunately we don't have video recordings of our Salah that one may produce evidence. You will have to take my word for it as well as others who have helped setup such lectures.

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#53 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 16:00

The fatwa from Shaykh Faraz Rabbani has limitations:

1. Before they go to the Masjid, the religious knowledge must not be able to be reasonably sourced from elsewhere. In nearly all cases the knowledge can be sourced in the confines of ones homes as alluded to in the 3 fatwas above. Read them carefully.

2. How many of the women that come to talks don the niqab? Be honest. I have been to Birmingham Central Mosque & seen that most women do not don the niqab.

3. Some women travel alone at night. Fact.

So because all 3 criteria & in some cases other criteria too are not met, how did one come to the conclusion that in this day & age it is permissible for women to attend talks in the Masjid.

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#54 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 16:08

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Well I am sure the three Shuyokh in their responses aren't speaking of hypothetical situations rather they speaking of present day situations.

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#55 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 16:10

If it was so obvious that the criteria are impossible to meet then they would have said so

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#56 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 16:48

In case anyone is lost, ex-SF brothers are dragging their baggage over here again.

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#57 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 17:29

Women's going into masjid neither is haram nor is makruh e tehreemi, rather, it's disliked by Hazrat Umar rz.a and Hazrat A'isha Siddiqa rz.a.
However, Under some circumstances it becomes even haram.

But it's also mandatory for men to provide the religious education to women as the lap of the mother is the first madarsa of kids.

In our locality weekly ijtima for women are held (thrice in a week) in different homes on different days between zuhur and asr.

To learn Quran lady tutors are hired.

And I download bayanat of ulama and we hear at least one bayan daily after isha.
My wife can't sleep until she listens a bayan.

Reading a good book at a fix time in every home is very useful.

Each of us is responsible for his family on judgement day. This serious issue needs no discussion but action.

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#58 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 17:56

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Ok 'Mufti Saheb.' The fatwa above mentions it is Makrooh Tahreemi.

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#59 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 18:14

Those "Fatwas" are personal opinions of Scholars. None of the 3 "Fatwas" posted by the guest gives a Shar'ee reason why except for conditional circumstances, possibilities, location etc.

Please speak to a scholar directly regarding this matter. It will help inshaAllah.

Arguing here with no concrete ruling doesn't help your case nor does it help any arguments which are raised. The subject varies so much from events, facilities, location, speaker and other conditions. You cannot possibly expect a general ruling for such a thing?

Do you know how many knowledgeable Ulamaa are against Islamic girl's boarding schools? Many. But they do not issue "Fatwas" because the one's who are for the Islamic girl's boarding schools is also valid. This is "differences of opinion" and respect. You're trying to force a handful of personal opinions of Ulamaa (probably from the same location) onto the world?

This thread is going in circles and the cause is complete lack of understanding of "differences of opinion" - consider a cup half full or half empty

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#60 [Permalink] Posted on 9th September 2014 18:56

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So the fatwas are the 'personal opinions' of scholars not based on any Shar'i principles. They just made it up then, did they? That's defamatory coming from a Molvi.

The ruling in the fatwas is concrete. Don't say it's not, just because you don't want to see and/or accept it.

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