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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 12:17

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  1. Shaf'aes follow the Hanafi opinion on touching (mostly) without even being married and it is well known
  2. We travel with brothers of multiple Madhabs (even Salafees) and make Muswhara about Qasr and joining and the Ameer rules and everybody accepts. This happens to us multiple times in a year. The Huk'm of an Ameer is binding to the Jamaat and usually Sha'faees/Salafees don't combine when Hanafees are around while sometimes we (Hanafees) make them Imam and pray in Shaf'ae time
  3. Our Imam is a Hanafi Hafidh and since nothing but leather socks Masah is acceptable according to Malikees so he DOES NOT make Masah on skinsealz (although it is permissable for him according to Hanafi Madhab)
  4. I was Ameer of a Jamaat in 10 days and we had to hury so we had a Shaf'ae (Malaysian) brother call Asar and all Hanafees prayed behind him
  5. A good friend comes from a long line of Ulamah and Mashaykh and his dad is Hanafi and mother is Shaf'ae (South Indian), my friend is Hanafi but his brother is Shaf'ae and both Bay't to a Deobandi Hanafi Shaykh. When they go for Hajj, flight stopped at Cairo Shafae brother combines Salah but Shaykh and Hanafi brother didn't and prayed Esha at Jeddah while Shaf'ae didn't.

Just some practical examples from experience and it has never been an issue, Alhumdolillah.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 12:19
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You are correct people during that time, looked at adhab and Sunnah, I believe that the awareness of differences in beliefs didn't exist at the time....few years ago I met one of the youngsters from the Salafi side of the family....Im fully clued up with the way they look for opportunities.

Yep I'm in a bookshop with an obvious hanafi Kitab in my hand

...adhab? I remained polite, but not even out of courtesy of being related, or age difference between us....he makes a scarcastic comment about the book.

I wouldn't speak to anyone in that manner nor allow my children to, not even to a non muslim. Unfortunately I have never experienced anything different from them.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 12:21
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Don't know, just something I've heard
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 12:27

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My relative (family and her not Deobandi) is married to a well known Salafi translator on the Internet. They have been married for almost 15 years. In 15 years:

  1. I have seen witnessed this man lie
  2. I have never witnessed anything but the utmost Akhlaaq and adab
  3. I have never witnessed him missing his Tahajjud or not reciting Qur'aan
  4. I have never witnessed him to have a soft stand on Madhabs at all, he strongly believes in following Qur'aan and Sunnah
  5. I have never witnessed to be soft with anyone within his family or our family on Bid'ah and all women in the family HATE HIM for his Bid'ah bashing

YET when it comes to family issues everbody has no issues with him in family gatherings, weddings etc.

Husband/wife are immensely happy together and may Allah (SWT) keep them that way.

My uncle is married to a Deobandi Alimah (garduate of Canada) and my uncle comes from a Barelwee background and they are happy together, husband/wife have no issue. This Alimah gives Dawah to family women on Deobandi'ism and sometimes they disagree but again no issues within family or husband/wife relationship.

Daughter of a very famous Deobandi Alimah is married to another relative who I would say is now "Barelwee leaning" and again husband/wife have no issues...they poke fun at each other (in front me as I am older) and take funny digs but that's about it.

May Allah (SWT) keep them all happy in this world and the next (Ameen).

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 12:30
But Sunnah teaches us to look for similarities and not challenges so if a Deobandi tries to marry a Sufi or Salafi just to test the water it will be STUPID :P
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 12:35
Such marriages should not be encouraged. We have many brevlis in our family married to deobandis and vice versa. It shows the lack of seriousness of deen that people do not care about such issues. The serious deobandis would never marry a brelvi or salafi. The brevlis in our family some of them do not even pray behind deobandis. Differences between madhabs should not be a big deal however. In most cases these can be overcome but not salafi/deobandi/brelvi issues. It also depends on one's attachment to their particular school of thought. How about if a brevli husbands asks his wife to consult the brelvi pir. We have some salafi relatives one of which is very active in her dawah. I have had to refute certain things. I am still looking at a massive refutation of this 1 salafi auntie but am building my case. I admire those like mufti kamaludeen db who marry mureeds with mureedahs. It is good to have a wife on the same wave length. If one is a tablighi it makes sense to marry a tablighi as she can go jamaat with her husband etc. With regards to bro abu muhammad's posts please do not label brelvis as sunnis. They have hijacked the sunni word. We are more sunni then them Alhamdulillah with more adherence to the sunnah then them Alhamdulillah (in general)
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 12:41
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Exactly my point. When Barelwi openly make takfeer of Deobandi's where do they draw the line.

The Imam is a Kaafir, but the spouse is not. Beats me man!
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 12:45
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Because you have a picture of a Indian/Pakistani Barelwee in your head and you are applying to the whole world. Exactly what people are doing with Salafees (they are picturing Madkhalees) and applying it to everyone.

At the end of the day people should know whom they are marrying.

But I am glad that inter-Madhab is no longer an issue, rest don't really care much about and I can agree with you guys is you wish no issues.
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 12:54
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I guess you are right, my thoughts are based on what I witness and not the bigger picture.

Another scenario! :)

This mixed marriage issue could also happen after marriage. For example, a Barelwi couple happily married with kids for many years then one day one of then becomes a Staunch Salafi, That would be disastrous, in the sense that the spouse would be making takfeer and so on.

May Allah help us.


Sorry for dragging it on, just that there are so many out there who don't know the rules and so many out there who end their marriage and ruin so many lives.

As Imam Abu Hanifa gets accused by some GM's for being a "What if'er" I'm just carrying on with it,

What if?

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 14:15

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Nikahs are breaking and Zina is spreading and may Allah (SWT) protect us and our generations (Ameen).

In this scenario I try my best to get people who are upon the Sunnah married and offer all the help which I can as I believe it to be critical. ALL IMPEDIMENTS need to be removed from the path of Nikah, in my opinion.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 19:08
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For example, if the Wife is Hanafi and the Husband is Shafi'. How will they work together, because in the Shafi' Madhab, the wudhu breaks if the husband even touched his wife. Can you imagine the consequences.......


LOL! my husband in his salaah has a kinda Salafi leaning though he's not one. I mean, like spreading legs hideously wide, hands in chest..... but the most bugging is when he tried to hug or touch me while having wudoo I was like "!!!@#$%^&*!!!!"

Anyway my mum is like this too at home, while she had wudoo, dad would tease her by acting wanting to touch her and she would be like "nooooooo!!!! My wudooooo!!" xD
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 20:00
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I think if I face such condition, the issues are : are our prayers valid? are our nikah still intact or nullified? is this "the other" person considered like their islam is nulled and hence the couples are no different than doing zinah each other?

because AFAIK many giant scholars in the past considered the tajsim aqeedah (as the one Salafis now having) as kufr and some of them declared kaafir to mujassim. Then we have some extreme Sufis or Barelvis who believed it's okay to do some bidati or shirki woo-woo, or some even believe that Rasulullah is all-seeing and all-hearing. Some scholars have declared them kufr as well as a group (though it is said that each individuals are different and can't be applied in the same brush of kufr, IIRC from what I learned.... Well correct me if I'm wrong).

now as disclaimer I'll NEVER ever declare salafis or extreme sufis as disbeliever.... I'll leave it to Scholars and to Allah to judge each one of them. But this thing just bugging me. Difference between 4 madhabs is not problem, they just differ in furoo'. But in Ahlus-sunnah W. Jam vs Salafi /GM vs Barelvi/ extreme sufis, the difference is weightier in Aqidah, right?
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 20:18
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Egypt is 50/50 Hanafi/Shaf'ae and there are no issues like this.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 20:48
Indonesia is largely shafi'i i suppose..
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2014 21:07
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yes, but there are minority of Hanbalis too.

while salafis here are still pretty new, like since around 1997.

naqshbandi haqqani/hisham kabbani are growing too, they lured people through whirling dervish :x
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