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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 08:55

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In the UK, school students in year 10/11 are made to operate on a frog/lizard/rat etc, basically you have to cut it open during a biology lesson. You should see how many people puke up :D

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 09:00

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Frog dissection was a part of school biology syllabus in the past, by the time I reached 12th grade, they removed it from the syllabus. But had to do pharmacology experiments on dissected frog back in college. Well we had to dissect human cadaver back in college. 1st year, everyday we had dissection class. Never thought about the Fiqh regarding it back then.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 09:09

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That's right we also had frog dissection and rat dissection as part of biology....not sure if dissection is still part of biology anymore.

Neither of which I was successful in participating in, but I watched instead which was more interesting.

Not sure about frogs, but we were taught the anatomy of rats was similar to humans, hence the reason for using them for dissection.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 09:15

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What is the Fiqh regarding human dissection, as it is part and parcel of the process...MashaAllah there are now many muslim doctors, so I presume they would have all participated.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 09:35

The interesting thing is that most of the medical science today comes from the Muslims especially its advancements in the early stages, in fact the Muslims were one of the first ones to set up hospitals consisting of various departments etc. To bad we have been left behind and other nations (western) have exceeded, however some of the best doctors even today are Muslims, not all but some.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 09:42

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in gr. 11, we had fetal pigs.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 09:47

New topic. Split from random thread, as too many interesting topics get lost in the random thread. Hope that's ok.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 09:48

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A lot of Muslims would refuse to operate on pigs for some reason, however they stopped using fetal pigs after a little while, I can't really remember now what the exact reason was. I wonder if dissection is still part of the biology curriculum. Interesting nonetheless.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 09:49

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Remember there being a particular smell, very unpleasant. Many students left the lab due to feeling nauseated, this was before the unsealed bags were even opened.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 09:52

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In the time of Salhudeen Ayyubi rahimullah Egypt had the best hospitals in the land, Dr. M Sallabi describes it fairly well in his books about Salahudeen.

Another thing that we don't see today much and has nearly faded over the centuries is the use of 'hakeem medicine , medicine made from herbs etc. Very effective but also severely underrated a lot of times I've seen modern medicine fail in some scenarios but the herbal medicine has worked wonders, both sciences vary a lot too, I guess old school is old school and you can't beat it regardless of how advanced things get.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 09:54

The word Cadaver is discouraged to use in Britain as it is considered rude and inappropriate, the word which should be used is "deceased"

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 09:57

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Kids from the West and generally weak in their early days compared to kids from the East, just my observation. Western kids would be puking, feeling sick etc where as Eastern kids would probably get a clip around the ear and told to get on with it :D

It's an experience that's for sure

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 09:59

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QUESTION: Is organ donation and autopsy permissible in islam,can u xplain prohibition of dissection of cadaver according to Quraan or Hadiths?

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In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

Many Islamic scholars and Jurists have written on the subject of organ transplant. Over the decades, medicine has improved and advanced dramatically, taking medical technology to extreme heights.
Today, through the vast medical advancement, almost any transplant of the human body can be performed. Owing to the technological medical changes, prominent and renowned jurists of the world have carefully analyzed the process of organ transplant and upon investigation made the following observations:

1) When any person's limb or organ becomes unusable and that limb or organ is needed to function in the future by a suitable replacement then the following conditions must be considered:

a) Use of a non-living artificial component.
b) Using the organ of those animals that are permissible to eat and were slaughtered according to the Islamic law.

If there is an imminent fear of loss of life or danger of losing the organ and the replacement is only found in haraam animals or in permissible animals (which can be eaten) but not slaughtered according to Islamic law, then use of such a component will be permissible. However, if there is no imminent danger of loss of life then it will not be permissible to use anything from the pig.

2) Similarly, a transplant of any nature whatsoever is permissible from one part to another part of the body of the same person when necessary.
3) The sale of any part of the human body is haraam.
4) If any ill person reaches a stage where a specific organ becomes unusable to such an extent that medical experts are absolutely certain that besides the human organ there is no other life-saving substitute, the human organ is easily available to the patient, and the patient's life is in danger, then in that dire need a human organ transplant will be permissible.
5) When a perfectly healthy person on the advice of an expert physician confirms that the removal of one kidney will not harm nor cause ill-health whatsoever and considering the deteriorating health of his sick immediate family member which may cause death and there is no other alternate or substitute then this will be permissible with the condition that the kidney be donated and not sold.
6) The wasiyya (bequest) of the organs after death is forbidden in shari'ah.

Dissection of a cadaver (autopsy) is also impermissible due to the same reasons mentioned above. Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam has said:

كسر عظم الميت ككسره حيا

"Breaking the bone of a dead person is similar (in sin) to breaking the bone of a living person." (Sunan Abi Dawud, Vol. 2, P. 101, HM Saeed)

However, it will only be permissible in cases of necessity when it is required by law or in criminal cases.

Most of the scholars of the Arab world have approved autopsies for medical science research. This issue was discussed by the Islamic Fiqhi Academy of Makkah Mukarramah in October of 1987 where permissibility was given as long as the following conditions are observed:

a) An approval should be obtained from the deceased before his death or his heirs should agree to it after his death.
b) The body should not be opened up more than what is necessary.
c) Only female doctors should be allowed to a post-mortem of a female body.
d) The body should always be buried in the end.

And Allah knows best

Ml. Asif Umar,
Student Darul Iftaa
Checked and Approved by:
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 10:04

The issue explained a little more thoroughly with the views of Ulamah summarised (particularly the table) below:

central-mosque.com/index.php/General-Fiqh/islam-organ-don...

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 10:13

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That link provided is really educational MashaAllah, read a similar article on organ transplant in Riyadhul Jannah many years ago which was very similar, unfortunately never found the article again.

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