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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2013 14:58

One of my family members have a cat here and to trim the Nails, they hold the cat by its skin right behind the skin and it goes immobile completely.

They said that pet stores also hold the cat like this specially misbehaving cats...

There are youtube videos of clipping the cat by the handle and it goes limp.

Why does this happen?
Is it safe?
Does it hurt the cat?

Ustadha Acacia (the cat expert) can perhaps answer this...

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2013 15:52

I don't hold cats like that but then again, I haven't really had to deal with large numbers of cats so I don't know if I ever would have to. As far as I know, the method of holding you mentioned does NOT hurt the cat - that is how their mother carried them as kittens and that is how they hold each other as well.

As for trimming nails... cats trim their own nails so there really is no need for this (unless the couch is that important or the person doesn't want to find bits of the cat's nails here and there).

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2013 16:24

Yes the mother holds the kittens like that as they said on youtube. But its so amazing the cat goes completely limp!

they hold it and then clip it at the pet shop and the cat doesn't even move whatever they do to it! Its really mind boggling...

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2013 16:35

Yes, in that position, the person handling the cat has the upper-hand. One of their defenses are basically useless (teeth) and the main sensory organ they rely on in times of danger (sight) is also immobilized (they can't turn their head to look wherever they want)... plus they are held at the 'nape' - that is the main area they attack when they go for prey. In that situation, NOT putting up a fight actually gives them an advantage in that the minute they're put down, if they really don't like it, they will scurry off or turn around and attack (hiss, swipe, and growl).

This is all pure speculation though, I have no idea why they go limp.

There are certain grips that basically immobilize people too.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2013 18:42

Sister

just tested and their eyes stop moving and pupils dilate with that grip...test it out

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2013 18:49

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they hold the cat by its skin right behind the skin

^^I don't know what that means..

But I'd love to 'hold' animals like Andrew Ucles.

That guy is something..truly something. He is also an YouTube sensation - not for ladies though.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2013 19:06

...and Shaykh Muadh is away watching AU's videos.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2013 19:32

I'll take your word for it insha'Allah... don't plan to test it out myself. I know how to hold them like that but prefer not to. Besides, the cat is resting peacefully and is not 'misbehaving' alhamdulillah... plus, she is old.

The key to handling animals is to not think they are human. They communicate, move, and react in different ways; so, as long as you remain humble and reflexive, you should be fine insha'Allah.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2013 21:46

Sister Acacia, I had never had a pet or any animal in my life so no idea. Actually I did have a parrot in Pakistan and I came home and the cat had eaten it!

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2013 23:18

A sad reality of life - its a cat eat bird world out there, hence wings for birds... which we brilliant humans clip.

Birds aren't the only animals we like to alter to fit our lives... we also get cats declawed to keep them from scratching our prized possessions, effectively taking away the cat's defense mechanism (one of them anyway).

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd December 2013 01:35

Sister Acacia,

Masha'Allah you seem to know a lot about animal behavior, have you read Kitaabul-Haywaan (book of animals) by Imam Dimyari (RA) which is a classical encyclopedia in Islam about animals and their behavior.

almost all classical Fiqh texts refer to it and it talks about weird creature like Mermaids in addition to animal behavior and habits...I don't know any other Islamic work on the subject.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd December 2013 01:59

No, I haven't. JazakAllah khayran for name. I'll look into it insha'Allah.

Alhamdulillah, I'm not the only one on MS who loves animals. It is part of our deen too alhamdulillah.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd December 2013 19:33

SCRUFFING CATS AND DOGS

What is a dog or cat's scruff? The scruff is the loose skin present behind the animal's neck. It serves many purposes for both the animal and its owner. Although not generally advised for humans due to the potential for injuring your pet, grasping an animal by the scruff of its neck promotes submissive behaviour in the animal. This is a natural behaviour that is learned by kittens and puppies during the neonatal period.

Scruffing is used by a mother to pick up her kittens/puppies. A mother cat picks up her kittens by the scruff of their neck to carry them from one place to another.

You may notice as the baby is lifted off the ground, it automatically becomes limp and the animal seems immobilized as it is being carried.

This is a natural reflex of neonatal animals and helps facilitate the transporting process. When the kitten is released, the mother cat will lick her kitten to comfort it.

As the animal ages, it will continue to be submissive when held by the scruff. In general, dogs and cats should not be lifted primarily by the scruff of the neck because it is a dominant behaviour. They should be lifted with two hands to support the weight - i.e. one under the animal's arms, and the other under the rump. Particularly, as the animal ages and gets larger, it should not be lifted off the ground using only its scruff because the heavy weight of the rest of the body will cause excess strain on the loose skin and may be painful. In adult animals, scruffing should be done gently for training or restraint purposes, and only by those that know what they are doing. It would be best to consult a trainer or your veterinarian for a demonstration.

Scruffing is used as a form of communication between animals and is an indication of dominance. For example, when two dogs are fighting, the dominant dog may grab the other by the scruff, telling the other dog that he is the dominant one. Dominance is also demonstrated by other behaviours as well, such as direct stares or mounting behaviour. Another example where scruffing is used as a form of communication would be when a mother dog disciplines her puppy when it is misbehaving. She will glare at the puppy, then scruff and shake for a quick moment to make it clear that the behaviour was inappropriate.

Scruffing can be used for dog training purposes, but again do not try to scruff a puppy without a demonstration from a professional. Essentially, you will be imitating what the dog's mother would have done if the puppy misbehaved. This is done by scruffing the dog and shaking gently while saying "no" firmly. Maintain direct eye contact with the dog to convey the message that you are scolding him/her. From puppy-hood, the dog will understand the scruff and shake as a reprimand and will eventually learn to associate it with the verbal "no". After a few times, just saying "no" with a direct glare should be enough to reprimand the dog. You must keep in mind that a mother dog or cat will NEVER hurt their puppy or kitten using this technique. So if you as the owner hurt the puppy or kitten by improperly using this technique, you can cause physical and/or psychological damage to your pet. The importance of timing the reprimand correctly must be emphasized. The reprimand must be done at the same time that the offending action is performed. For example, if a dog is caught in the act of urinating on the carpet, the owner can immediately intervene and reprimand him/her. If the dog is scolded after the deed is done, he/she will not associate the act of urination with the scolding. At best, the dog will associate the smell or sight of urination with you getting upset.

It should be emphasized that scruffing should be done gently to prevent injury to the animal by grabbing too tightly or shaking too vigorously. It should not be used as an attempt to gain dominance over an animal because this could lead to elevated aggression or fear. For example, a very submissive or fearful dog will not benefit from scruffing as a training tool because the dog will become even more fearful of the handler. Aggressive dogs may not even allow you to get close enough to scruff them. But if you are able to scruff them, do not assume that you are completely safe from their jaws. You may be surprised how well some determined animals can squirm and twist. Attempting to scruff a frustrated or aggressive animal will just serve to frustrate it more. Scruffing should be reserved for confident dogs that need minor disciplinary action or when first training a new puppy. Remember that you are trying to imitate what the puppy's mother would have done. The mother would not physically abuse the dog or yell furiously at it. The dog will not understand what exactly you are angry about. Scruffing should be used as a disciplinary tool, not a form of punishment.

It may also be used to separate two pets which are fighting. Although you should not physically interfere with two animals that are in a brawl, there are moments when the two animals may pause momentarily between attacks. At those moments, you may be able to control one of them to stop the fight. For example, if two feline housemates are fighting and they separate momentarily, you may grasp the aggressor by its scruff and hold the cat down as the less dominant cat has an opportunity to flee the scene. While the cat is being scruffed, he/she will immediately relax into a more submissive position. You may further emphasize your point by saying "no" firmly. You are not only dissipating the fight, but you are disciplining the dominant cat and teaching it that fighting is an inappropriate behaviour. Once the aggressive cat has calmed down, you may release and talk to him/her gently. You may also stroke the cat at this time as a mother cat would after disciplining her kitten.

Scruffing is also seen during feline copulation, when the male grabs the female by the scruff. This is done to immobilize her while he mounts and to prevent her from running away as the mating process takes place.

Since scruffing promotes submissive behaviour in the animal, people can use this technique for animal restraint purposes. For example scruffing an animal during medical procedures, such as blood sampling, allows for more control of the animal's head and less risk of people being bitten.

Scruffing has a quite a few purposes in the animal world. For us, it serves as a useful tool for discipline and restraint purposes. Care must be taken to avoid using it as an easy tool to acquire dominance, because it may lead to fear or increased aggression. As well, many other factors determine dominance in a hierarchy and scruffing is only one minor part.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd December 2013 21:17

Jazakallahu Khayran Sister, so this is where grabbing something by the scruff og the neck comes from...

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