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#1006 [Permalink] Posted on 24th January 2014 20:05
can someone tell me what's fundamentally wrong though? i seriously am trying to wrap my head around this...

this is what I understand:
Hazrat Maulana wants the Darul Uloom to maintain good relations with its neighbours.
So Hazrat makes it a point to send out cards to them every Christmas.
The senders ensure that the cards have no impermissible statements or symbols and only contain vague statements like "seasons greetings" or "happy holidays" or the like.
Hazrat, English not being his primary language, simply refers to them as "Christmas cards" not because of their content but because that's when they're sent out.
Hazrat's associates catch on to the phrase and also begin to refer to them as "Christmas cards".
Hazrat uses the term "Christmas card" while delivering bayans and his associates use the term when printing the transcript of one such bayan, none of them understanding this term's connotation and the impression it begets.
People naturally get the impression that Hazrat on behalf of the Darul Uloom is sending out cards every Christmas to his neighbours containing impermissible kufri Christian statements.

But what has the sender of the cards, Hazrat or whoever he appointed, done wrong aside from not ensuring correct usage of the English language?
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#1007 [Permalink] Posted on 24th January 2014 20:20
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#1008 [Permalink] Posted on 24th January 2014 20:21
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why dont we cut the carp. everyone knows its for christmas regardless of whats on the card. if its not for christmas then why send them out for christmas? why not any other time of year? why not before christmas or after christmas?
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#1009 [Permalink] Posted on 24th January 2014 20:23
Just a reminder that discussing or debating ulama opinions or fatawahs are simply not allowed, sharing information is fine Inshaallah.
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#1010 [Permalink] Posted on 24th January 2014 20:30
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I know full well it's for Christmas and I'm not trying to hide that.
But I wasn't aware that sending cards at Christmas time to Christians was impermissible.
I was under the impression that using Christian statements was impermissible. The fatwa that umar123 bhai linked seems to say the same.

So, saying explicitly Christians things like "Happy Christmas" or "Merry Christmas" is haram. Understood makes full sense.
But wishing a Christian goodness on Christmas is haram as well? I honestly did not know that.
Whenever people said "Merry Christmas" or "Happy New Years" to me, I'd respond with "Happy Holidays" or the like....but it seems like that's haram too.
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#1011 [Permalink] Posted on 24th January 2014 20:39
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Following AAP, yes - will get back later on them..
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#1012 [Permalink] Posted on 24th January 2014 20:49
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I don't know head and tails about this, what I do know is: Ulamah have to set (high) standards - which usually should be of taqwa not fatwa.

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#1013 [Permalink] Posted on 24th January 2014 21:03
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If there's nowhere here to discuss such ^^^ things aside from pms, should I go ahead and delete/edit my posts?
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#1014 [Permalink] Posted on 24th January 2014 21:47
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Brother my post was a reminder. It was a reminder to all involved on this topic not to overstep the mark and debate or discuss difference of opinions between ulamah and fatawahs, reminders are normally placed to stop ms rules and policies from being broken.
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#1015 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 03:56
something random:

after seeing the disease "piles" mentioned so often, especially in wazifa books, i finally decided to google search it....i clicked on the wiki article and read the info....and then scrolled down to the images.....
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#1016 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 05:51
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Lol classic, who on earth told you to go and check out images ?


I guess you'll be having frequent nightmares from now :D stay safe brother
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#1017 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 08:32
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Meh, just another day at work for docs...
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#1018 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 08:45
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Your a trained professional so for you it's different akhii. But put an average guy in your place then see, to be honest most guys don't even last in the delivery room when their partners are giving birth :D
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#1019 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 08:52
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Labour room... lol... reminds me of internship days..
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#1020 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2014 10:12

Pakistani devotees wait for their turn to dance wearing Ghungroo (small metallic bells) at a shrine to a Sufi saint in Lahore. Photograph: K.M. Chaudary/AP

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