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#76 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2015 17:56
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I am simply saving everyone time and effort. Your posts are time wasting and off-topic, breaking site rules, breaking etiquettes, sometimes offensive and sinful and mostly just repeats and attempts to advertise Kufr on our site. Which part of this do you not understand? Please refer to my previous post
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Your behaviour will simply be ignored and you will get through to no one so if you want to respect the site rules and continue then you are our guest. Otherwise you're simply another Fitnah-monger like many who have come before you and disappeared only to be forgotten overtime. The choice is yours.
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#77 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2015 18:07
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#78 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2015 18:08
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#79 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2015 18:09
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#80 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2015 18:14
I'm pretty sure he's incapable of sticking to topic and answering questions. He's also incapable of starting his own thread or reading our messages. I will not be explaining anymore. Unrelated posts will simply be moved away from this thread.
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#81 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2015 18:18
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you're scared of posting the ayahs i quote lol dkm yasin you guys are jokers
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#82 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2015 18:20
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لكم دينكم ولي دين
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#83 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2015 18:20
He's moaning on twitter now for his posts being censored.


He's also moaning that he's in the right and Maulana Yasin can't answer him and the removal of his posts in which he posts ayahs, and about the death of Isa as. I've asked him to come back to the forum and follow the rules and not go around in circles.

Ahmadian, maulana yasin and muadh are fully capable of taking you on and I can assure you of that.
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#84 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2015 18:21
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That's pretty sad and (trying to think of a kinder word than pathetic)
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#85 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2015 18:24
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#86 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2015 18:32
Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) does not only say it was spiritual rather the Qur’an and Ahadith tell us it is spiritual which is why it is spiritual. The reason non Ahmadis try to justify it and make it physical is to try and keep Isa(as) alive as Qur’an states he has died.

Let’s go straight to the Qur’an and see all of the beautiful proofs which show it was indeed a spiritual journey.

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The heart of the Prophet was not untrue to that which he saw.(Chapter 53 verse 12)

Allah has clearly told us that the Heart was not untrue to which he saw which shows that it was not physical rather a spiritual journey.

Allah also states:

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‘Or thou have a house of gold or thou ascend up into heaven; and we will not believe in thy ascension until thou send down to us a book that we can read.’ Say, ‘Holy is my Lord! I am not but a man sent as a Messenger.’(Chapter 17 verse 94)

This ayah itself has totally rejected the concept of a physical ascension and The Prophet Muhammad(saw) makes it clear that Allah is pure from physically raising earthly bodies to the heavens. It should also be kept in mind that Allah is everywhere and is not confined as proven from the Quran



Allah has made it clear that He is everywhere. Here are a few verses which prove this fact.

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And when My servants ask thee about Me, say: ‘I am near. I answer the prayer of the supplicant when he prays to Me. So they should hearken to Me and believe in Me, that they may follow the right way.’ (Chapter 2 verse 187)

Now Allah makes it clear of how near he is as well in the Qur’an, since He knew what would happen to the Muslims and how even they would become like the Christians and end up confining God like they have. Allah states:

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And assuredly, We have created man and We know what his physical self whispers to him, and We are nearer to him than even his jugular vein. (50:17)

Here are some more Ayahs that make it clear that Allah is indeed everywhere:

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And He is Allah, the God, both in the heavens and in the earth. He knows your inside and your outside. And He knows what you earn.(Chapter 6 Verse 4)

575He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods, then He settled Himself on the Throne. He knows what enters the earth and what comes out of it, and what comes down from heaven and what goes up into it. And He is with you wheresoever you may be. And Allah sees all that you do.(Chapter 57 Verse 5)

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To Allah belong the East and the West; so withersoever you turn, there will be the face of Allah. Surely, Allah is Bountiful, All- Knowing.(Chapter 2 Verse 116)

Now lets look at the ahadith and read the story of the Miraj narrated in Bukhari.

قَالَ فَاهْبِطْ بِاسْمِ اللَّهِ‏.‏ قَالَ وَاسْتَيْقَظَ وَهْوَ فِي مَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ‏.‏

On that Gabriel said, “Descend in Allah’s Name.” The Prophet (ﷺ) then woke up while he was in the Sacred Mosque (at Mecca).(Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Hadith #608)

The body was asleep of the Prophet Muhammad(saw) as per the ahadith. The heart was not asleep as hearts do not sleep.Another hadith states:

قَالَ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏”‏ بَيْنَا أَنَا عِنْدَ الْبَيْتِ بَيْنَ النَّائِمِ وَالْيَقْظَانِ

Narrated Malik bin Sasaa: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness,(Bukhari, volume 4 book 54 Hadith #429)



It has been clearly stated that the prophet(saw) said he was in a state of midway between sleep and wakefulness.

Hazrat Ayeshaرضي الله عنه states:

“By God, the body of the Holy Prophet sa did not disappear, but he was raised spiritually. (Tafseer Kashāf)

حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى، حَدَّثَنَا وَكِيعٌ، عَنْ إِسْمَاعِيلَ بْنِ أَبِي خَالِدٍ، عَنْ عَامِرٍ، عَنْ مَسْرُوقٍ، قَالَ قُلْتُ لِعَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ يَا أُمَّتَاهْ هَلْ رَأَى مُحَمَّدٌ صلى الله عليه وسلم رَبَّهُ فَقَالَتْ لَقَدْ قَفَّ شَعَرِي مِمَّا قُلْتَ، أَيْنَ أَنْتَ مِنْ ثَلاَثٍ مَنْ حَدَّثَكَهُنَّ فَقَدْ كَذَبَ، مَنْ حَدَّثَكَ أَنَّ مُحَمَّدًا صلى الله عليه وسلم رَأَى رَبَّهُ فَقَدْ كَذَبَ‏.‏ ثُمَّ قَرَأَتْ ‏
‏لاَ تُدْرِكُهُ الأَبْصَارُ وَهُوَ يُدْرِكُ الأَبْصَارَ وَهُوَ اللَّطِيفُ الْخَبِيرُ‏
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‏وَمَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَنْ يُكَلِّمَهُ اللَّهُ إِلاَّ وَحْيًا أَوْ مِنْ وَرَاءِ حِجَابٍ‏
‏ وَمَنْ حَدَّثَكَ أَنَّهُ يَعْلَمُ مَا فِي غَدٍ فَقَدْ كَذَبَ ثُمَّ قَرَأَتْ ‏
‏وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا‏
‏ وَمَنْ حَدَّثَكَ أَنَّهُ كَتَمَ فَقَدْ كَذَبَ ثُمَّ قَرَأَتْ ‏
‏يَا أَيُّهَا الرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَا أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِنْ رَبِّكَ‏
‏ الآيَةَ، وَلَكِنَّهُ رَأَى جِبْرِيلَ ـ عَلَيْهِ السَّلاَمُ ـ فِي صُورَتِهِ مَرَّتَيْنِ‏.‏
Narrated Masruq:

I said to `Aisha, “O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad see his Lord?” Aisha said, “What you have said makes my hair stand on end ! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar: Whoever tells you that Muhammad saw his Lord, is a liar.(Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Hadith #378)

Now here are some questions which arise if one wants to misinterpret the miraj and turn it into a physical journey. Saying the Kuffar would not have accused it is a extremely weak point. What did the kuffar not accuse? They were not ready to accept anything, not even revelation of the prophet Muhammad(saw) so this falls under the same category.

If this was a physical journey, how did all other prophets come to Jerusalem? Were they in physical or spiritual form? If physical then that would mean that their bodies were resurrected before qiyamah? Was Isa(as) also resurrected since he was seen during the mirah? How can all 124,000 prophets fit in such a small mosque? Masjid Aqsa was in pieces during this time and was hardly in its proper form so how did they fit? Since prayers were lead which namaaz was it? Who lead Adhan or Ikamat? Which prophet knew the adhan? When was he taught the adhan? Why did Allah need security? Is he not powerful enough according to the ones who take this as a physical journey? These are some questions which come up and in reality taking the miraj physical only mocks at the Seal of the Prophets(saw) and Allah as well Who has Clearly rejected the idea of a physical ascension in the Qur’an and Has shown us that He is not confined, and Is Indeed Everywhere.

Now the non Ahmadi Muslims believe that the Miraj was a physical journey and also believe that Jesus(as) was alive in the heavens during the Miraj. So a question which arises is that if Jesus(as) was alive during that time in his physical body, and the Holy Prophet(saw) lead the prayers where all prophets read behind him, did Isa(as) come down in his physical body to pray with the Prophet(saw) as well? Do they now believe Isa(as) already came once and left the world again and was once again raised to the heavens? These are questions they cannot answer.

We also need to keep in mind that Allah the Almighty is not confined to the heavens.

Now a question to you. You believe miraj was physical and all prophets prayed behind Muhammad(saw) so i ask you that do you believe Isa(as) descended once already? Do you believe all prophets came back from heaven bodily form to read prayers? What a belief contradictory to the Quran and the Ahadith!
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#87 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2015 18:33
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#88 [Permalink] Posted on 10th May 2015 10:44
One thing the qadyani has proved from the very first few posts is his confusion with who people are. No wonder they can't recognize people for who they really are.

Here is just a basic list of his confusion. It's in their blood!

Fuad is actually Muadh
Mohammed is actually abu mohammed
Yellow is actually byellow200
Yasir is actually Yasin
And this illness comes from the corruption of belief that Mirza is actually meant to be Mariam/Eesa/Mehdi/Massiah.

Even a child can conclude they have an identity crisis. And this one has 51000 following him on one social media.

Now that's a huge circus. No wonder people call Mirza the "clown" of qadyan.
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#89 [Permalink] Posted on 10th May 2015 11:25
He's bottled it and blocked me on Twitter lol


He's actually quiet retarded and there's screen shots on my twitter time like to prove it, one of them was him not knowing the difference between makkah and Madinah and where the Prophet (saw) migrated from. See my time line for more.

A clown indeed.
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#90 [Permalink] Posted on 10th May 2015 12:08
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His profound knowledge comes from "Copy and paste"
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