Who was Abdullah Bin Saba..? (The Jewish Founder of Shia religion)

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2014 03:31

Restoring some informative posts by Bro Saad ,Tripolysunni & others of SF as posted here.

Assalam o 'alaykum,

Existence of 'Abdullah ibn Saba is both accepted by Sunnis, Shias and the Westerner historians. Today some Shias try their best to even deny his existence, let alone the role he played in the foundation of Shiahism. He is to Shiahism, what Saint Paul is to Christianity.

1. It says in Anwar al-N'umaniyyah, a Shia book,

'Abdullah Ibn-i-Saba was the first who declared the faith in Imamat and that Sayyiduna 'Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) is the true God (Na’uzubillah).

(Anwar al-N'umaniyyah, 2:234 - Published Iran)
www.kr-hcy.com/references/shia/070.shtml

2. The name of 'Abdullah bin Saba figures in the most reliable book of Shias on Isma ur-Rijal, entitled Rijal-i-Kashshi and it is related in it from Imam Jafar Sadiq (may Allah have mercy on him) that Ibn Saba believed in the divinity of Sayyiduna 'Ali (may Allah be pleased with him), and, ultimately, he was burnt alive at his command. About 'Abdullah bin Saba, Rijal-e-Kashshi says,

"Many knowledgeable people have stated that 'Abdullah bin Saba was a Jew who had accepted Islam and showed great devotion for Sayyiduna 'Ali (may Allah be pleased with him). As a Jew, he used to exaggerated the personality of Joshua, the son of Nun, and the Wasi of Moses. After becoming a Muslim he began to exalt the personality of Sayyiduna 'Ali much beyond the due limit, and he was the first person to declare that it was obligatory to believe in the Imamat of Sayyiduna 'Ali, and completely dissociated himself form his enemies and he openly opposed them and denounced them as infidels". (Rijal-i-Kashi, p.71)

3. The earliest historian Tabri has sketched out the details in these words,

"'Abdullah bin Saba was a Jew and lived in Sana. His mother was called Sauda. He embraced Islam during the period of Sayyiduna Uthman. he roamed through the Muslim cities and tried to seduce the Muslims from the straight path. He launched his diabolical campaign from Hijaz and then visited Basra, Kufa and Syria. None of the Syrians cooperated with him. On the contrary, they drove him out of Syria. Thus he moved over to Egypt and settled down there permanently.

He started drumming into the minds of the Egyptians that it was strange they believed in the return of Christ and denied the return of Sayyiduna Muhammad [peace be upon him]. God himself had declared. Therefore he has a better claim to return to the world in comparison with Christ. He fabricated the concept of the 'return' or resurrection and the Egyptians turned in into a hot debating issue."

4. Hafiz Ibn Kathir (may Allah have mercy on him) and Hafiz Ibn Athir (may Allah have mercy on him) have commented on it on similar lines and 'Allamaj Ibn Khaldun (may Allah have mercy on him) has also written about it,

"Abdullah bin Saba, who was popularly known as Ibn Sauda, was a Jew. He had left his country during the tenure of Sayyiduna 'Uthman but he had not embraced Islam from the core of his heart. When he was honked out of Basra, he left for Kufa from where he made a bee - line for Syria. The Syrians also whipped him out of their country and he left for Egypt.

He made Sayyiduna 'Uthman (may Allah have mercy on him) the special butt of his critical remarks and secretly invited people to institute the Khilafat of the Ahl-i-Bay't. He pressed upon people to launch the campaign and he spared no opportunity to criticize the rulers. Some of the people openly sided with him. They had come from different cities and therefore they kept up their links through correspondence. Khalid bin Maljim, Saudan bin Hamran and Kinana bin Basher supported the campaign launched by 'Abdullah bin Saba.

They had also persuaded 'Ammar not to return to Madina. 'Ammar was one of those people who had openly lambasted Sayyiduna Uthman (may Allah have mercy on him) for first turning Sayyiduna Abu Zar (may Allah have mercy on him) out of Syria into Madinah and then for pushing him out of Madinah towards Abzah, though, under the circumstances, the action of 'Uthman was justified. Abu Zar (may Allah have mercy on him), out of the intensity of his piety and austerity, used to force people to lead their lives on similar lines and to learn to face the hardships of life.

He persuaded people to stock for themselves not more than a day's ration. He also illustrate ed with reasoning the undesirability of hoarding gold and silver. Ibn Saba used to instigate Abu Zar (may Allah have mercy on him) against Sayyiduna Muawiyyah by stressing that he supported the distribution of goods among the people. Abu Zar (may Allah have mercy on him) started condemning Muawiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him). Muawiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) coaxed him a little and told him: I'll also harp on the same turn that all goods belong to Allah."

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5. Hafiz ibn Hajr (may Allah have mercy on him) has related on the authority of Tarikh Abi Asakir,

"He belonged to Yemen. He was a Jew, but he had donned the guise of Islam and roamed through the Muslim cities to lead the Muslims astray and dissuade them from the obedience of their Imams and to sow dissension among them. He also visited Damascus with this end in view". (Tarikh Damishq, 7:430)

6. 'Allamah Asfaraini (may Allah have mercy on him) has also commented on it in a similar vein,

"Ibn Sauda was a Jew who had donned the gown of Islam to addle the faith of the Muslims".

7. Abu Muhammad Hassan bin Musa has unraveled these secrets. He is the earliest Shiah historian who has given an account of the Shiah sects. He is one of the most famous Shiah of the third century A.H. He writes,

"Sabais are the companions of 'Abdullah bin Saba. 'Abdullah bin Saba made faces at Sayyiduna Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Uthman and other companions (may Allah be pleased with them) of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disaffiliated himself from them and he imputed his acts to the command of 'Ali (may Allah be pleased with him).

When 'Ali رضي الله عنه caught hold of him and asked him about it, he confessed to it. After his confession, he ordered him to be executed. On hearing the order, [quite a few people] made a humble submission to 'Ali:O Amir al-Muminin! You have ordered the execution of a person who professes your friendship and the love of your Ahl al-Bay't. 'Ali complied with the submission and exiled him to Madain."

8. The famous Shia biographer Istrabadi says,

"Abdullah bin Saba claimed that 'Ali is Allah and he is his Prophet. When the news reached the Amir al-Muminin, he sent for him and asked him about it. He owned it and insisted that he is really the one [who is the referee of his claim]. The Amir al-Muminin said: The devil has seduced you. Therefore you should repent at once. But he refused to repent and he put him behind the bars for three days. When he did not repent even after three days, he burned him alive".

9. Shaykh 'Abdul Qadir Jaylani Baghdadi (may Allah have mercy on him) says,

"The followers of 'Abdullah bin Saba are called Sabains. Ibn Saba relied on exaggeration about the status of Sayyiduna 'Ali and claimed that he was a prophet. Then, relying on further exaggeration he claimed that he was God and he invited a party of the Kufi rebels to adopt these beliefs. When the news reached 'Ali, he had some of these people thrown into two pits of fire, as has been hinted at by a poet ."

10. All the Shiah scholars have given an account of Ibn Saba, his views and beliefs and his party ; Sayyid Qummi [who died in 301H.], Sheykh Ta'ifah Tusi, Tastri in Qamus al-Rijal, Abbas Qummi in Tuhfat al-Ahbab, Khu Ansari in Raudhat al-Jannat, Sabhani in Nasikh al-Tawarikh and the author of Rawdhat al-Safa, have all mentioned him and his party".

11. 'Allamah Shahrastani (may Allah have mercy on him) writes under the heading of Sabaism,

"Sabais are the followers of 'Abdullah bin Saba who had told Sayyiduna 'Ali: you are you i.e., you are God, but he had extradited him to Madain The historians suggest that he was actually a Jew, but he had tacked on to himself the label of Islam. During the Jewish phase, he used to claim that Sayyiduna Y'osha bin Nun was the executor of Sayyiduna Moses."

12. Ibn 'Asakar has cited a tradition of Sayyiduna Jabir (may Allah be pleased with him) in his history,

"When the oath of allegiance was taken at the hand of 'Ali and he delivered his address, 'Abdullah bin Saba stood up and said: you are "Dabat al-Ardh." (Tarikh Dimishq)

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2014 03:49

13. 'Allamah Baghdadi has touched the issue in his book Al-Firq Bayn al-Firq. Similarly, Isfaraini in his book Kitab al-Tabsir and Ibn Hazm in Al-Fasl have also mentioned Ibn Saba.

14. Famous Shia scholar Nau Bakhti writes,

"It is known as the Sabai sect because 'Abdullah bin Saba was its ring leader." [Khandan-i-Nau-Bakhti, p.275]

15. Historian Professor P.K Hitti writes,

"The enigmatic 'Abdullah ibn Saba who was converter ed into Islam...embraced 'Ali with his excessive veneration..." (History of the Arabs, p.248 - London)

16. Famous historian Dwight M. Donaldon writes,

"'Abdullah ibn Saba had traveled widely throughout the Empire, as Tabari says, "seeking to lead the Moslems into error...Another of his teachings that was more immediately, influential was that every Prophet has a wasi and that 'Ali was the wasi of Muhammed..." (The Sheit Religion of Islam, Part 6 p.41)

17. Historian Dr. J. N. Hollister writes,

"['Abdullah ibn Saba] He was the native of San'a in Yemen...He opened a campaign of behalf of 'Ali suggesting that Abu Bakar, 'Umar, and 'Usman were usurpers..." (Shias of Hind p.15)

18. Famous historian Dr. Walter C. Klein writes,

"'Abdullah ibn Saba had hailed Ali with the words, "Thou art Thou."...

(Al-Ibanah al-Usul al-Diyanah, p.7-8)

19. Historian Professor Nicholson writes,

"Now the Shi'ite theory of Divine Right certainly harmonized with Persian ideas, ...'Abdullah ibn Saba...went from place to place, seeking to lead Moslems into error..." (The History of the Arabs, p.215)

20. Famous historian and former governor of U.P, India, William Moore writes,

"...Ibn Saba, a Jew from the South of Arabia...he became the setter forth of strange and startling doctrines...'Ali was his legate, 'Usman was a usurper..." (Al-Khilafat, Us ka Uruj, Inhitat aur Zawaal, p.217)

21. The “Jewish Encyclopedia” says,

ABDALLAH IBN SABA
By : Hartwig Hirschfeld

Jew of Yemen, Arabia, of the seventh century, who settled in Medina and embraced Islam. Having adversely criticized Calif Othman's administration, he was banished from the town. Thence he went to Egypt, where he founded an antiothmanian sect, to promote the interests of Ali. On account of his learning he obtained great influence there, and formulated the doctrine that, just as every prophet had an assistant who afterward succeeded him, Mohammed's vizier was Ali, who had therefore been kept out of the califate by deceit.

Othman had no legal claim whatever to the califate; and the general dissatisfaction with his government greatly contributed to the spread of Abdallah's teachings. Tradition relates that when Ali had assumed power, Abdallah ascribed divine honors to him by addressing him with the words, "Thou art Thou!"

Thereupon Ali banished him to Madain. After Ali's assassination Abdallah is said to have taught that Ali was not dead but alive, and had never been killed; that a part of the Deity was hidden in him; and that after a certain time he would return to fill the earth with justice. Till then the divine character of Ali was to remain hidden in the imams, who temporarily filled his place.

It is easy to see that the whole idea rests on that of the Messiah in combination with the legend of Elijah the prophet. The attribution of divine honors to Ali was probably but a later development, and was fostered by the circumstance that in the Koran Allah is often styled "Al-Ali" [The Most High].

Bibliography: Shahrastani Al-Milal, pp. 132 et seq. (in Haarbrücken’s translation, i. 200-201); Weil, Gesch. der Chalifen, i. 173-174, 209, 259.H. Hir.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com/vi...h%20ibn%20saba

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2014 04:14

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A. I have only quoted few orientalists, but also shown it from authentic Shiah and Sunni books, the role of 'Abdullah ibn Saba. Usually the orientalists favor Shiahism and if 'Abdullah ibn Saba was a fairy tale, so many of the orientalists would not have mentioned him. Even a blind person can't deny the role Ibn Saba played in the origins of Shiahism.

B. The quote of 'Allamah ibn Khuldoon was taken from Shia'hs and Shiahism, there Genesis and Evolution, by Allamah Ehsan Elahi Zahir Shahid. He was the author of many books on Shiahs and their history, and later on he was killed by the Shias and was burred in Madinah. Also its mentioned in 'Abdullah ibn Saba, Tarikh kay Aiyne Main, by Hakim Faiz Alam Siddiqui. Shah Abdul 'Aziz Dahlawi (may Allah have mercy on him) has also written in details about Ibn Saba in his magnum opus called Tuhfa Ithna Ashariyyah.

And to add to the above list:

22. And it is narrated from Imam Abu Hanifah (may Allah have mercy on him),

"Abdullah ibn Saba was a Jewish and he [supposedly] accepted Islam during the time of Sayyiduna 'Usman (may Allah have mercy on him) and he urged the people of Egypt to kill 'Usman (may Allah have mercy on him) and he would show much love for 'Ali (may Allah have mercy on him). He was a khabis from inside and his only mission was to create fitnah among the Muslims." (Musnad Imam-i-A'zam, p.158)

عبد اللّه بن سبا كان يهوديا فاسلم ايام عثمان وهوالذى حمل اهل مصر على قتل عثمان واظهر
الميل الى على وكان خبيث الباطن غرض الفساد بين المسلمين

23. Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jaylani (may Allah have mercy on him) says in Ghunyat al-Talibin,

"Sabain sect are attributed towards 'Abdullah ibn Saba and they said 'Ali is alive and will come back before Qiyamat."

واما لسبائية فمنسوبة الى عبداللّه بن سبا من دعوهم ان عليا لم يمت وانه يرجع قبل يوم القيامة

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Assalam o 'alaykum,

24. Famous Shia scholar 'Allamah Kashi narrates in his book from one of the Shiah Imam Abu 'Abdullah (may Allah have mercy on him),

"May Allah curse 'Abdullah ibn Saba, he said that 'Ali is God. But 'Ali was a servant of Allah."

لعن اللّه عبداللّه بن سبا انه ادعو الربوية فى امير المؤمنين عبدا طالباً

(Rijal-i-Kashi, p.100)

(Qamus al-Rijal, 5:46)

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Assalam o 'alaykum,

25. Allamah Shahrastani (may Allah have mercy on him) writes:

"'Abdullah ibn Saba...was the first person who said that Imamat of 'Ali (may Allah have mercy on him) is proven from nas." (Al-Milal wa al-Nahal, 1:174)

اصحاب عبداللّه بن سبا٠٠٠ وهو اول من اظهر القول بالنص بامامة على كرم اللّه وجهه

26. Saad Bin 'Abdullah al-Ash'ari Al-Qummi said:

"Sabians are companions of 'Abdullah Ibn saba, …… 'Abdullah bin Saba, was the first who slandered Abu Bakr, 'Omar, 'Othman, and the Companions and disowned them." (Al-Maqalat wal-Firaq, p.20)

27. Imam Shah Waliullah (may Allah have mercy on him) has also written in details about Ibn Saba in his book Izalat al-Khifa;.

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Assalam o alaykum,

Famous Shia mujtahid and favorite of Khomeni, Allamah Majlisi writes,

وذكر (2) بعض أهل العلم أن عبد الله بن سبا كان يهوديا فأسلم ووالى عليا عليه السلام وكان يقول وهو على يهوديته في يوشع بن نون وصي موسى بالغلو فقال في إسلامه بعد وفاة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله في علي عليه السلام مثل ذلك. وكان أول (3) من أشهر بالقول بفرض إمامة علي عليه السلام وأظهر البراءة من أعدائه وكاشف مخالفيه وأكفرهم (4)، فمن ههنا قال من خالف الشيعة: أصل التشيع والرفض مأخوذ من اليهودية.

Some scholars have asserted that Ibn Saba was a Jew who accepted Islam and started voicing his opinion of the wilayah divine appointment of Sayyiduna 'Ali. While a Jew, he propounded the exaggerated notion that Yusha ibn Nun was divinely appointed to succeed Sayyiduna Musa, he thus adopted a similar stance with regard to Sayyiduna 'Ali in relation to the Holy Prophet. He was the first to subscribe to the belief of Imamah, and he openly abused his enemies [the first three Caliphs, etc.] and branded them as infidels. Thus our opponents say 'the origin of Shi'ahs and Rawafid is based on Judaism."

(Bihar al-Anwar, 25:287)

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Bro Tripolysunni wrote:

Many Claim that Abdullah bin Saba is only mentioned in the History of Tabari and that other historians took the narrations from him...well No, you see Tabari wrote his history 300 years after Hijrah However Al thakafi who wrote the book "Al Gharat" also mentions Abdullah ibn Saba, and this guy wrote his history around 250 years after hijrah and he died in 283 hijri, this is also in his history:

(دخل عمرو بن الحمد وحجر بن عدي وحبة العوفي والحارث الاعور وعبد الله بن سبأ على أمير المؤمنين………..)[الغارات ص302]

"Amro bin al hamd, Hajar bin Uday, Habbah al Awfy, Al harith al A'awar and ABDULLAh IBN SABA all entered on the Ameer al Mumineen..." (Al gharat 302).

Al Nawbakhty was alive before or During Tabari's life and he writes:

Sabaism are the first to calims of Ali's Imamah, and they said it's from Allah. they are the companions of Abdullah Ibn Saba which was the first to rejects Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Sahaba. and Ibn Saba calimed that he had been ordered that from Ali. Then, Ali asked him about it and he confessed. then Ali ordered the execution of Ibn Saba.

(Feraq Al-Shia page 19-20)

Also Al Kashshi, al tusi, Al Helli, al Qummi, Al Khawansary, Al namaqany, Al Mirza, al testeri All write narrations about Ibn Saba and that he was the first to show enmity & hate towards the first three caliphs, here's a sample:

from "Man la yahduruhu al-Faqih" one of the main four Shiite books written by Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn 'Ali ibn Babawaih al-Qummi, commonly known as Ibn Babawaih or Al-Shaykh al-Saduq who died in 381 hijri:

"and Ali said: when somone ends his pray, he have to rise his hand, and then Abdullah Ibn Saba said, for what ? isn't Allah in every where..."

Al nashi'i al akbar الناشيء الأكبر who died in 293 hijri also writes in Masa'el al imamah Page 22-23 :

عن ابن سبأ وطائفته ما يلي :" وفرقة زعموا أن عليا - رضي الله عنه - حي لم يمت وأنه لا يموت حتى يسوق العرب بعصاه ، وهؤلاء هم السبئية أصحاب عبد الله بن سبأ ، وكان عبد الله بن سبأ رجلا من أهل صنعاء يهوديا ، وسكن المدائن ...."

About ibn Saba and his followers: " A group claimed that Ali RAA is alive and will not die until he drives the Arabs away with his stick, those are the Saba'ite followers of Abdullah Ibn Saba. This Man was from sana'a (yemen) and was a Jew who lived in Mada'en.

Al Qummi who died in 301 hijri said that Abdullah Ibn Saba was the first to show hatred and enmity for the first three Caliphs and he disassociated himself from them and claimed that ali ordered it (Al Qummi, al Maqalat wal Firaq P20).

Al Tusi (460Hijri) said that Ibn Saba returned to kufr and showed ghulu (Tahtheeb al ahkam 2/322)

Al helli who died in 740 Hijri and wrote the first shiite books about the science of Rijal/Hadith, he said that Ibn Saba is Weak so you can't narrate from him, As for the Shiite Zaidi scholar Ibn al mutaraddi (died 840 hijri) he said that ibn Saba was the first to announce the News of Imamah/Wilayah of Ali to the people.

As for Majlisi and his Biharu'l Anwar here are some locationes where he mentions Abdullah Ibn Saba:
Part/Page:
2/217
10/107
25/262
25/286 (three narrations)
25/287
25/343
33/566
41/214
42/146
85/318
93/308

here's a link to Al Majlisi's book bihar al Anwar if we wanna verify, let's take the first one (2/217):
www.kadamya.com/hashemya33/n3.html/2.htm

Arabic text:

كش : سعد ، عن محمد بن خالد الطيالسي ، عن ابن أبي نجران ، عن ابن
سنان قال : قال أبوعبدالله عليه السلام : إنا أهل بيت صادقون لانخلو من كذاب يكذب علينا
ويسقط صدقنا بكذبه علينا عند الناس ، كان رسول الله صلى الله عليه واله أصدق البرية لهجة وكان
مسيلمة يكذب عليه ، وكان أميرالمؤمنين عليه السلام أصدق من برأالله من بعد رسول الله صلى الله عليه واله
وكان الذي يكذب عليه ويعمل في تكذيب صدقه بما يفتري عليه من الكذب عبدالله
ابن سبا لعنه الله

Translation: Kish: Sa'ed from muhammad bin Khaled al tayalisi from ibn Abu Najran from Ibn Sinan: Imam Abu abdullah Said: we ahlulBayt are truthful but there are liars who attribute false sayings to us to misguide the people (So True hehe) , the Prophet (saw)

was truthful but Musaylama the liar attributed lies to him, Ameer Ali RAA was most truthful person after the Prophet (saw)

but he who attributed Lies to him was the cursed Abdullah Ibn Saba*

Note by the Author of the book regarding "Abdullah Ibbn Saba" on same page(217):

( هامش ص 217 ) ( 1 ) روى الكشى في ص 70 روايات كثيرة تدل على ذمه ولعنه . وكل من ترجمه من الشيعة لعنوه
وأبرؤوا من مقالته الباطلة في أميرالمؤمنين عليه السلام ، وهذا هو الذى استتابه أميرالمؤمنين عليه السلام
ثلاثة أيام فلم يتب فأحرقه بالنار .

Translation of note: "Al Kashshi in page 70 narrates plenty of hadiths about cursing Ibn Saba, and all those Shiite scholars who put his name in thier books of Hadith had cursed him as well because of his false sayings about the Ameer of believers Ali RAA, this is the man whom Ali RAA had asked to repent for three days but he didn't so Ali burned Him with fire."

As for the guy called "dbzClips", well Mr,Dragon Ball do you see "Syf ibn Umr" in your chain of Narrators above? hehe you don't thus We can easily prove ibn Saba exists from your own books as you just saw.

On the same Page I saw another interesting Hadith i'll translate it so you can have a laugh at those funny shiite scholars:

ل : الطالقاني ، عن الجلودي ، عن محمدبن زكريا ، عن جعفر بن محمد بن
عمارة قال : سمعت جعفر بن محمد عليهما السلام يقول : ثلاثة كانوا يكذبون على رسول الله صلى الله عليه واله
أبوهريرة ، وأنس بن مالك ، وامرأة .
بيان : يعني عائشة .

Translation: " Al taliqani from al Jouloudi from muhammad bin Zakariah from Jaa'afar bin muhammad bin Ammar: i heard Ja'afar al Sadiq PBUH say: Three used to attribute lies to the Prophet (saw)

, Abu Hurairah, Anas Bin Malik, and a Woman.
note on bottom of Page: He Means Aisha." (bihar al anwar 2/217).

Funny thing is the Shiites used to narrate sayings about imamah from Abu huraira رضي الله عنه but when they saw that he narrated 36,000 Hadiths for the Mainstream muslims they stopped attributing lies to him and started calling him a Liar hehe.

Some Twelver Shiite sources proving the existence of ibn Saba:

و من المصادر الشيعية التي تؤكد شخصية بن سبأ:
1 - رسالة الإرجاء للحسن بن محمد بن الحنفية وقد رواها عن الثقات من الرجال عند الشيعة 0 وهذه الرسالة مخطوطة في دار الكتب الظاهرية في آخر كتاب الإيمان لمحمد بن يحيى العدني ( مجموع 104 ) 0 وانظر تاريخ التراث العربي ( 1 / 210 ) 0
2 - كتاب الغارات للثقفي الأصفهاني وهو ومطبوع انجمن آثار ملي إيران 0
3 - كتاب المقالات والفرق للأشعري القمي وهو مطبوع في إيران سنة 1963 م 0
4 - فرق الشيعة للنوبختي عن القرن الثالث الهجري 0 ط / كاظم الكتبي في النجف عدة طبعات 0 وطبعة المستشرق ريتر في استانبول عام 1931 م 0
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6 - رجال الطوسي لأبي جعفر الطوسي 0 ط / النجف 1381 هـ / نشر محمد كاظم الكتبي 0
7 - شرح ابن أبي الحديد لنهج البلاغة 0 ط / الأولى الميمنية 1326 هـ 0
8 - الرجال للحلي 0 ط / طهران 1311 هـ / وطبعة النجف 1961 م 0
9 - روضات الجنان للخوانساري ط 0 / إيران 1307
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11 - قاموس الرجال للتستري 0 منشورات مركز نشر الكتاب طهران 1382 هـ0
12 - ( روضة الصفا ) تاريخ عند الشيعة معتمد بالفارسية ج 2 / ص 292 طبعة إيران
13 - دائرة المعارف المسماة بـــ ( مقتبس الأثر ومجدد مادثر ) للأعلمي الحائري 0 ط / 1388 هـ بالمطبعة العلمية / قم 0
14 - الكنى والألقاب للقمي 0 ط / العرفان بصيدا 0
15 - حل الإشكال لابن طاووس .
16 - الرجال لابن داود .
17- التحرير الطاووس للعاملي .
18 - مجمع الرجال للقهبائي المؤلف سنة 1016 هـ
19 - نقد الرجال للتفرشي المؤلف سنة 1015 هـ
20 - جامع الرواة للأردبيلي المؤلف سنة 1100 هـ
21 – موسوعة البحار للمجلسي .

Salam

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2014 04:47

Bro Saad continues:

Assalam o 'alaykum,

Imam Shah ‘Abd al-Aziz Dahlawi (may Allah have mercy on him) has discussed the schemes of ‘Abdullah ibn Saba in great detail in his magnum opus, Tuhfah Ithna 'Ashariyyah. Son of Imam Sayyid 'Alusi has translated and abridged it into Arabic.

He writes that ‘Abdullah ibn Saba was a Jew from Yemen and he divided his activates into three different levels depending on the people he was dealing with; hence three different groups emerged through his efforts.

1. At first he claimed the love for Ahl al-Bay't and this was his ploy to gain the sympathies of Muslims. Once he was successful in this he started to claim that Sayyiduna 'Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) was the most superior after the Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). At this point he had attracted a good number of followers. He also forged many narrations in the virtues of Sayyiduna 'Ali.

Now this is what present day Zaydis hold to. So it is perfectly fine to say that ‘Abdullah ibn Saba was also the founder of Zaydi Shias. These are also known as Tafdilis.

2. Once he was successful in this, he chose a certain number of his followers, those close to him, and started to brainwash them that Sayyiduna 'Ali was the first Caliph appointed by the Holy Prophet (saw)

. He told them that it was the Companions (Sahabah) who after the demise of Holy Prophet (saw)

went against his instructions and usurped the right of Sayyiduna 'Ali رضي الله عنه.

He was the first one to misinterpret the incident that happened over Fadak and used that as a proof to spread hatred of the Companions. He also made sure to tell his followers that never to ascribe these teachings to him if asked; disassociate from him in public because his purpose is to inform the truth and not fame or power.

Present day Ithna ‘Ashariyyah (Twelvers) belong to this second group. They are also known as Sabbiyah or Tabarriyah.

3. After this ploy was also successful, he went a step further and selected a certain number of his very close associates and told that that I am about to tell a very sensitive secret. He made them promise that this information will be kept secret. He started off by telling karamat of Sayyiduna 'Ali and through this he convinced them of Uluhiyyat of Sayyiduna 'Ali; that Sayyiduna 'Ali is in fact God but has come in the form of a human.

I believe present day 'Alawis fall under this category. These are known as Ghullat.

Shah 'Abd al-Aziz concludes that 'Abdullah ibn Saba is indeed the founder of above mentioned three groups of Shias. Every single Shia group will fall under one of the above three categories.

As far as the Shia Awla, those were actually Ahl al-Sunnah. They were known as Shia Awla because they sided with Sayyiduna 'Ali رضي الله عنه during the differences that arose among various Companions due to the schemes of 'Abdullah ibn Saba.

They had all the beliefs of Ahl al-Sunnah like affirming the superiority of Shaykhayn (may Allah be pleased with them) over Sayyiduna Ali. So it obvious that when it is said, ‘Abdullah ibn Saba is the founder of Shiaism', Shiah Awla are not being referred to. In our time, Shia Awla are referred to as Ahl al-Sunnah wal-Jamah and this title is not used anymore for any given group.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2014 04:54

Bro Muhammed Farhan wrote:

I saw many rafida’s saying: Abdullah ibn saba is actually the character built up by ahle-sunnah to support the false claims against rafidi shia’s!

But lets see what shia books & there ulema’s said about this man i.e. abdullah ibn saba?

Here are some sahih traditions in shia books & opinion of the ulema regarding the jew abdullah ibn saba:

These are the three Saheeh (with 7 different sahih isnaads) hadeeth regarding Ibn Saba:

حدثني محمد بن قولويه، قال حدثني سعد بن عبد الله، قال حدثنا يعقوب بن يزيد و محمد بن عيسى، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن هشام بن سالم، قال : سمعت أبا عبد الله (عليه السلام) يقول و هو يحدث أصحابه بحديث عبد الله بن سبإ و ما ادعى من الربوبية في أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب، فقال إنه لما ادعى ذلك فيه استتابه أمير المؤمنين (عليه السلام) فأبى أن يتوب فأحرقه بالنار.

Hishaam bin Salim, who said that he heard it from Imam Aboo `Abd Allaah (AS) when he told that `Abd Allaah bin Saba called (to people) the divinity of Imaam `Alee (AS). Upon that ‘Alee ordered him to repent, but he refused. Then Ali let him burn in fire.”

Source: Al-Kashee, Rijaal, pg. 108, hadeeth # 171

حدثني محمد بن قولويه قال حدثني سعد بن عبد الله قال حدثنا يعقوب بن يزيد و محمد بن عيسى عن علي بن مهزيار عن فضالة بن أيوب الأزدي عن أبان بن عثمان قال سمعت أبا عبد الله (ع) يقول لعن الله عبد الله بن سبإ إنه ادعى الربوبية في أمير المؤمنين (ع) و كان و الله أمير المؤمنين (ع) عبدا لله طائعا الويل لمن كذب علينا و إن قوما يقولون فينا ما لا نقوله في أنفسنا نبرأ إلى الله منهم نبرأ إلى الله منهم.

I heard Aboo ‘Abd Allaah(as) saying: ‘May Allah curse Abdallah bin Saba’, he claimed a divine-ship for Amirul-Mu’mineen (Ali) [as]. By Allah, Amierul-Mu’mineen [as] was volunterily the slave of Allah. Woe to him who lie about us, for there are people who say about us what we don’t say about ourselves, we clear ourselves to Allah from them, we clear ourselves to Allah from them’.”

Source: Al-Kashee, Rijaal, pg. 108, hadeeth # 172

و بهذا الإسناد عن يعقوب بن يزيد عن ابن أبي عمير. و أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى عن أبيه و الحسين بن سعيد عن ابن أبي عمير عن هشام بن سالم عن أبي حمزة الثمالي قال قال علي بن الحسين (ع) لعن الله من كذب علينا إني ذكرت عبد الله بن سبإ فقامت كل شعرة في جسدي لقد ادعى أمرا عظيما ما له لعنه الله كان علي (ع) و الله عبدا لله صالحا أخو رسول الله (ص) ما نال الكرامة من الله إلا بطاعته لله و لرسوله و ما نال رسول الله (ص) الكرامة من الله إلا بطاعته.

‘May the curse of Allah be upon those who tell lies about us. I mentioned Abdullah Ibn Saba and each hair in my body stood up, Allah cursed him. Ali was, by Allah, a proper servant of Allah, the brother of the Messenger of Allah . He did not earn the graciousness/honor from Allah except with the obedience to Allah and His Messenger. And (similarly) the Messenger of Allah did not earn the honor from Allah except with his obedience to Allah’.”

Source: Al-Kashee, Rijaal, pg. 108-109, hadeeth # 173

Now, lets see what al-kashee understood by these sahih hadiths, here is the opinion of shia alim al-kashee regarding ibn saba:

ذكر بعض أهل العلم أن عبد الله بن سبإ كان يهوديا فأسلم و والى عليا (ع) و كان يقول و هو على يهوديته في يوشع بن نون وصي موسى بالغلو فقال في إسلامه بعد وفاة رسول الله (ص) في علي (ع) مثل ذلك و كان أول من شهر بالقول بفرض إمامة علي و أظهر البراءة من أعدائه و كاشف مخالفيه و أكفرهم فمن هاهنا قال من خالف الشيعة أصل التشيع و الرفض مأخوذ من اليهودية.

Some people of knowledge mentioned that Abdullah bin Saba’ was a Jew, who embraced Islam and supported Ali. While he was still a Jew, he used to go to extremism in calling Yousha’ bin Noon as the appointee (successor) of Moses, thus after embracing Islam – after the demise of the Messenger of Allah (saw)

– he said the like about Ali.

It was him who first publicly announced the mandatory Iamamah for Ali, rejected and disowned his enemies, debated his opponents and called them Kafirs. Hence, those who oppose the Shi’ites often say: The Shi’ites and Rejectors (Rafidah) have their roots in Judaism “.

Source: Al-Kashee, Rijaal, pg. 109

So now abdullah ibn saba is no-more a unknown person accused by rafida’s.

Refer: islamistruth.wordpress.com/20...llah-ibn-saba/

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2014 04:56

Bro Tripolysunni wrote:

The oldest reference to the term "Sabaiite" is Diwan Ashi Hamdan , p. 147. Ashi hamdan died in 83 H.

He says about Mukhtar Thaqafi and his companions

شهدت عليكم أنكم سبئية وأني بكم يا شرطة الكفر عارف

"I give testimony that you are Sabaiites. O soldiers of kufr, I know you very well."

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2014 05:09

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السلام عليكم و رحمة الله

Regarding the Shia argument about Seif ibn 'Umar being the only narrator who narrates about 'Abdullah ibn Saba, I will quote the famous Shia website "al-Islam" that said in their article called "Abdullah Ibn Saba (Part I)":

The fabricated stories around the character of Abdullah Ibn Saba are the malicious production of one of the disciples of the devil, namely Sayf Ibn Umar al-Tamimi.

They wrote in their article "Abdullah Ibn Saba (Part II)":

Ibn Saba did not exist at that time, not even in the imagination of Saif Ibn Umar al-Tamimi who invented this character.

I say: Here is Not just one or two But EIGHT different narrations about 'Abdullah ibn Saba in the books of Ahlul-Sunnah [Tareekh Madinat Dimashq of Ibn 'Asakir] which do not contain Seif ibn 'Umar in the Sanad:

1.- أخبرنا أبو البركات الأنماطي ، أنا أبو طاهر احمد بن الحسن وأبو الفضل أحمد بن الحسن ، قالا : أنا عبد الملك بن محمد بن عبد الله أنا أبو علي بن الصواف ، نا محمد بن عثمان بن أبي شيبة ، نا محمد ابن العلاء ، نا أبو بكر بن عياش ، عن مجالد ، عن الشعبي قال : أول من كذب عبد الله بن سبأ .

2.- قرأنا على أبي عبد الله يحي بن الحسن ، عن أبي الحسين ابن الأبنوسي ، أنا أحمد بن عبيد بن الفضل ، وعن أبي نعيم محمد بن عبد الواحد ابن عبد العزيز ، أنا علي بن محمد بن خزفة قالا : نا محمد بن الحسين ، نا ابن أبي خيثمة ، نا محمد بن عباد ، نا سفيان ، عن عمار الدهني قال : سمعت أبا الطفيل يقول : رأيت المسيب بن نجبة أتى به طببه يعنى ابن السوداء وعلي على المنبر فقال علي : ما شأنه؟ فقال : يكذب على الله وعلى رسوله .

3. - أخبرنا أبو القاسم يحي بن بطريق بن بشرى وأبو محمد عبد الكريم ابن حمزة قالا : أنا أبو الحسين بن مكي ، أنا أبو القاسم المؤمل بن أحمد بن محمد الشيباني ، نا يحيى بن محمد بن صاعد، نا بندار ، نا محمد بن جعفر ، نا شعبة ، عن سلمة ، عن زيد بن وهب عن علي قال : مالي وما لهذا الحميت الأسود ؟ قال: ونا يحي بن محمد ، نا بندار ، نا محمد بن جعفر ، نا شعبة عن سلمة قال: سمعت أبا الزعراء يحدث عن علي عليه السلام قال: مالي وما لهذا الحميت الأسود؟

4. – أخبرنا أبو محمد بن طاوس وأبو يعلى حمزة بن الحسن بن المفرج ، قالا: أنا أبو القاسم بن أبي العلاء ، نا أبو محمد بن أبي نصر ، أنا خيثمة بن سليمان ، نا أحمد بن زهير بن حرب ، نا عمرو بن مرزوق أنا شعبة ، عن سلمة بن كهيل عن زيد قال : قال علي بن أبي طالب : مالي ولهذا الحميت الأسود ؟ يعني عبد الله ابن سبأ وكان يقع في أبي بكر وعمر.

5.- أنبأنا أبو عبد الله بن أحمد بن إبراهيم أبن الخطاب ، أنا أبو القاسم علي بن محمد بن علي الفارسي ، وأخبرنا أبو محمد عبد الرحمن بن أبي الحسين بن إبراهيم الداراني ، أنا سهل بن بشر ، أنا أبو الحسن علي بن منير بن أحمد بن منير الخلال قالا : أنا القاضي أبو الطاهر محمد بن أحمد بن عبدالله الذهلي ، نا أبو أحمد ابن عبدوس نا محمد بن عباد ، نا سفيان ، نا عبد الجبار بن العباس الهمداني ، عن سلمة بن كهيل عن حجية بن عدي الكندي قال :رأيت . عليا كرم الله وجهه وهو على المنبر وهو يقول من يعذرني من هذا الحميت الأسود الذي يكذب على الله وعلى الرسول يعني أبن السوداء لولا أن لا يزال يخرج عليَّ عصابة تنعي عليَّ دمه كما ادعيت علي دماء أهل النهر لجعلت منهم ركاما .

6.- أخبرنا أبو المظفر بن القشيرى ، أنا أبو سعد الجنزروذى ، أنا أبوعمرو ابن حمدان ، وأخبرنا أبو سهل محمد بن إبراهيم بن سعدويه ، أنا أبو يعلى الموصلي ، نا أبو كريب محمد بن العلاء الهمداني , نا محمد أبن الحسن الأسدى ، نا هارون بن صالح الهمداني ، عن الحارث أبن عبد الرحمن عن أبي الجلاس ، قال : سمعت عليا يقول لعبد الله السبئي : ويلك والله ما أفضي إلي بشيء كتمه أحداً من الناس ، ولقد سمعته يقول : أن بين يدي الساعة ثلاثين كذابا وإنك لا حدهم . قالا : وانا أبو يعلى ، نا أبو بكر بن أبي شيبة ، نا محمد أبن الحسن ، زاد أبن المقرىء الأسدي بإسناده مثله .

7.- أخبرنا أبو بكر أحمد بن المظفر بن الحسين بن سوسن التمار في كتابة ، وأخبرني أبو طاهر محمد بن محمد بن عبد الله السبخي بمرو ، عنه ، أنا أبو علي بن شاذان ، نا أبو بكر محمد بن عبد الله بن يونس أبو الأحوص عن مغيرة عن سماك قال : بلغ عليا أن ابن السواد ينتقض أبا بكر وعمر ، فدعا به ودعا بالسيف أو قال فهم بقتله فكلم فيه فقال : لايساكني ببلد أنا فيه ، قال : فسير إلى المدائن .

8. - أنبأنا أبو بكر محمد بن طرخان بن بلتكين بن يحكم ، أنا أبو الفضائل محمد أبن أحمد بن عبد الباقي بن طوق ، قال : قرىء على أبي القاسم عبيدالله ابن علي أبن عبيد الله الرقي ، نا أبو أحمد عبيد الله بن محمد أبن أبى مسلم ، أنا أبو عمر محمد بن عبد الواحد ، أخبرني الغطافي ، عن رجاله ، عن الصادق عن آبائه الطاهرين عن جابر قال : لما بويع علي خطب الناس فقام إليه عبد الله بن سبأ فقال له : أنت دابة الأرض ، قال فقال له : اتق الله ، فقال له : أنت الملك ، فقال له : اتق الله ، فقال له : أنت خلقت الخلق ، وبسطت الرزق ، فأمر بقتله ، فاجتمعت الرافضة فقالت : دعه وانفه إلى ساباط المدائن فإنك إن قتلته بالمدينة خرجت أصحابه علينا وشيعته ، فنفاه إلي ساباط المدائن فثم القرامطة والرافضة ، قال : ثم قامت إليه طائفة وهم السبئية وكانوا أحد عشر رجلا فقال أرجعوا فإني علي بن أبي طالب أبي مشهور وأمي مشهورة ، وانا أبن عم محمد صلي الله عليه وسلم فقالوا لا نرجع ، دع داعيك فأحرقهم بالنار ، وقبورهم في صحراء أحد عشر مشهورة فقال من بقي ممن لم يكشف رأسه منهم علينا : أنه إله ، واحتجوا بقول ابن عباس : " لا يعذب بالنار إلا خالقها " . قال ثعلب : وقد عذب بالنار قبل علي أبو بكر الصديق شيخ الإسلام رضي الله عنه وذاك أنه رفع إليه رجل يقال له : الفجأة وقالوا إنه شتم النبي صلي الله عليه وسلم بعد وفاته ، فأخرجه إلى الصحراء فأحرقه بالنار . قال فقال ابن عباس : قد عذب أبو بكر بالنار فاعبدوه أيضا.

Sheikh Suleiman bin Hamad al-'Auwdah grades the narrations in his book

"'Abdullah bin Sabaa wa Atharuhu fi Ahdath al-Fitnah fi Sadr al-Islam"

"عبد الله بن سبأ و أثره في أحداث الفتنة في صدر الإسلام "

as such:

1st: al-Shu'ubi says:" 'Abdullah ibn Saba was the first who lied. "

Grading: Da'eef, because of Muhammad ibn 'Uthman ibn abi Shaybah.

2nd: 'Ali asked al-Museeb ibn Najbah about ibn al-Sawdaa 'Abdullah ibn Saba and he replied: "He lies upon Allah and his prophet."

Grading: Sahih.

3rd: 'Ali ibn abi Talib رضي الله عنه says: "What does this black man want from me?" meaning ibn Sabaa.

Grading: It Is actually two different narrations, both have the same Sanad except for one of them is from Abu al-Zara'ah and one is from Zaid ibn Wahb and both narrations are Sahih.

4th: 'Ali ibn abi Talib رضي الله عنه says: "What does this black man want from me? meaning 'Abdullah ibn Sabaa and he used to attack Abu Bakr and 'Umar."

Grading: Has a good Sanad of trustworthy narrators.

5th: 'Ali ibn abi Talib رضي الله عنه said: "Who will excuse me of this black man -meaning ibn al-Sawdaa - who lies upon Allah and his Prophet?"

Grading: Hasan.

6th: 'Ali ibn abi Talib رضي الله عنه tells ibn Sabaa: "Woe to you! by Allah he (Prophet (saw)

) did not tell me anything that he kept hidden from others, I heard him say that from now until the hour there will be thirty liars and you are one of them."

Grading: Some of the narrators have been criticized but it has been narrated through several other chains with better narrators.

7th: al-Sammak says: It had reached 'Ali that ibn al-Sawdaa was attacking Abu Bakr and 'Umar so he called on him and he called for a sword but they talked him out of killing him so he said: "By Allah he will never live with me in the same city" and he was exiled to al-Madaen.

Grading: Has trustworthy narrators but al-Sammak who is a follower in al-Kufa could not have heard it directly from 'Ali.

8th: 'Ali رضي الله عنه stood as a Khateeb amongst the people after baya'ah then ibn Sabaa went to him and said:

You are the beast of the earth, Ali رضي الله عنه said: fear Allah! so ibn Saba said: You are al-Malik, Ali said: Fear Allah! so ibn Saba said: you created the creations and offered the bounties, So 'Ali ordered that he be killed but the Rafidhah told 'Ali: leave him be it is better if you exile him to al-Madaen in Yemen otherwise his Shias and followers will rebel against us...until the end of the narration.

Grading: All narrators are trustworthy except for one unknown narrator called al-Ghattafi who has not been documented, could be a mistake in copying the name.

As for Seif ibn 'Umar it's not that he is a liar some of his narrations in History are true but he is more of a story-teller as in he narrates the event without regard to accuracy of words but in the form of a fun story which is why as a narrator of Prophetic Hadith his narrations are rejected by consensus, here are some examples:

al-Nisa'i (d. 303 AH) wrote: "Sayf's narrations are weak and they should be disregarded because he was unreliable and untrustworthy."

Yahya Ibn Mueen (d. 233 AH) wrote: "Sayf's narrations are weak and useless."

Abu Hatam (d. 277 AH) wrote: "Sayf's Hadith is rejected."

Ibn Abi Hatam (d. 327 AH) wrote: "Scholars have abandoned Sayf's narrations."

al-Suyuti (d. 900 AH) wrote: "Sayf's Hadith is weak."

But when it comes to Historical narrations what he says is taken into consideration unlike what the Shia claimed.

Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani says about him in Taqreeb al-Tahtheeb 1/344:

ابن حجر في تقريب التهذيب ( 1/344 ): (عمدة في التاريخ)

"Relied upon in history."

al-Dhahabi says about him in Meezan al-I'itidal 2/255:

الذهبي في ميزان الاعتدال (2/255): (كان إخباريا عارفا).

"He was a knowledgeable historian."

For this reason the scholars have placed certain rules to accepting any narration from Seif ibn 'Umar:

1- What he says needs to have a Sahih foundation in the books of Hadith(i.e Sahih al-Bukhari) and it has to be taken from the reliable historical sources(i.e Tareekh al-Tabari).

2- His narrations must not have anything related to 'Aqeedah and matters of Halal and Haram.

3- His narrations must be free from any attacks on any of the companions.

4- His narration must not be biased towards certain well known political positions during the rightly-guided caliphate.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2014 05:19

Bro Tripolysunni wrote:

Now here are three Sahih narrations that talk about ‘Abdullah bin Saba from the books of the Twelver Shia.

The first chain is one of the most impeccable chains you can get in Shia hadeeth books. This is like their “golden” chain:

(1)

حدثني محمد بن قولويه، قال حدثني سعد بن عبد الله، قال حدثنا يعقوب بن يزيد و محمد بن عيسى، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن هشام بن سالم، قال : سمعت أبا عبد الله (عليه السلام) يقول و هو يحدث أصحابه بحديث عبد الله بن سبإ و ما ادعى من الربوبية في أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب، فقال إنه لما ادعى ذلك فيه استتابه أمير المؤمنين (عليه السلام) فأبى أن يتوب فأحرقه بالنار.

Hisham bin Salim, who said that he heard it from Imam Abu `Abd Allah (as) when he told that `Abd Allah bin Saba called (to people) the lordship/divinity of Imaam `Ali (as). Upon that ‘Ali ordered him to repent, but he refused. Then Ali let him burn in fire."

Source: Al-Kashee, Rijaal, pg. 107, hadeeth # 171

(2)

حدثني محمد بن قولويه قال حدثني سعد بن عبد الله قال حدثنا يعقوب بن يزيد و محمد بن عيسى عن علي بن مهزيار عن فضالة بن أيوب الأزدي عن أبان بن عثمان قال سمعت أبا عبد الله (ع) يقول لعن الله عبد الله بن سبإ إنه ادعى الربوبية في أمير المؤمنين (ع) و كان و الله أمير المؤمنين (ع) عبدا لله طائعا الويل لمن كذب علينا و إن قوما يقولون فينا ما لا نقوله في أنفسنا نبرأ إلى الله منهم نبرأ إلى الله منهم.

I heard Imam Abu `Abd Allah (as) saying: 'May Allah curse `Abd Allah bin Saba, he claimed a divinity/lordship for Ameer Al-Mu’mineen (as). By Allah, Amierul-Mu'mineen (as) was volunterily the slave of Allah. Woe to him who lies about us, for there are people who say about us what we don't say about ourselves, we disassociate ourselves to Allah from them, we disassociate ourselves to Allah from them'."

Source: Al-Kashee, Rijaal, pg. 107, hadeeth # 172

(3)

و بهذا الإسناد عن يعقوب بن يزيد عن ابن أبي عمير. و أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى عن أبيه و الحسين بن سعيد عن ابن أبي عمير عن هشام بن سالم عن أبي حمزة الثمالي قال قال علي بن الحسين (ع) لعن الله من كذب علينا إني ذكرت عبد الله بن سبإ فقامت كل شعرة في جسدي لقد ادعى أمرا عظيما ما له لعنه الله كان علي (ع) و الله عبدا لله صالحا أخو رسول الله (ص) ما نال الكرامة من الله إلا بطاعته لله و لرسوله و ما نال رسول الله (ص) الكرامة من الله إلا بطاعته.

Imam 'Ali ibn al-Hussein (as) said: 'May the curse of Allah be upon those who tell lies about us. I mentioned `Abd Allah Ibn Saba and each hair in my body stood up, Allah cursed him. Ali was, by Allah, a proper servant of Allah, the brother of the Messenger of Allah .

He did not earn the graciousness/honor from Allah except with the obedience to Allah and His Messenger. And (similarly) the Messenger of Allah did not earn the honor from Allah except with his obedience to Allah'."

Source: Al-Kashee, Rijaal, pg. 107, hadeeth # 173

Each one of these aHaadeeth goes through multiple routes:

1st hadeeth = 2 different routes

2nd hadeeth = 2 different routes

3rd hadeeth = 3 different routes

2 + 2 + 3 = 7 different isnaads, all of them saying that Ibn Sabaa is mal`oon (accursed) by Ahlul-Bayt because he elevated them above their status.

Conclusion:

This shows that 'Abdullah ibn Saba was cursed by Ahlul-Bayt as he elevated them above their level in several Sahih Hadith from both Sunni and Shia books, will the Twelver Shia persist in elevating Ahlul-Bayt (as) above their level and attributing lies to them?

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2014 05:26

Bro Ali (Al Maliki)'s Question (To Bro Tripolysunni):

Assalamu Aleykum akhi Tripoli,

Could you bring some references about these conditions ?

For this reason the scholars have placed certain rules to accepting any narration from Seif ibn 'Umar:

Quote:

1- What he says needs to have a Sahih foundation in the books of Hadith(i.e Sahih al-Bukhari) and it has to be taken from the reliable historical sources(i.e Tareekh al-Tabari).
2- His narrations must not have anything related to 'Aqeedah and matters of Halal and Haram.
3- His narrations must be free from any attacks on any of the companions.
4- His narration must not be biased towards certain well known political positions during the rightly-guided caliphate.

Which scholars decide these conditions ? Jazak Allahu kheyr

Reply (by Bro Triplysunni):

Very famous Islamic historians such as Muhammad Sobhi Hassan Hallaq, Muhammad ibn Tahir al-Barazanji, Sheikh Yahya Ibrahim al-Yahya, Dr.Khalid al-Ghayb in the university of Umm al-Qura.

You can review books such as:

-استشهاد عثمان و موقعة الجمل في مرويات سيف ابن عمر في تأريخ الطبري
-صحيح و ضعيف تاريخ الإمام الطبري

Keep in mind that al-Tabari relied upon Seif a lot during the period of Abu Bakr al-Siddiq رضي الله عنه and that the majority of the narrations of Seif are weak, the weakest of his narrations come through his student Shu'ayb whereas the most correct of his narrations come through this chain:

'Ubeidullah told us: my uncle told me: Seif told me so and so.

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2014 05:28

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Another Shia Hadith with a good chain about the followers of Ibn Saba:

A group came to Ameer Al-Mu’mineen 'Ali رضي الله عنه, and they said to him: “Peace be upon you, Our Lord (rabbanaa)! So he asked for their repentance, but they did not repent. So he dug a ditch for them and lit a fire in it and dug a ditch to its other side and conveyed between them. So when they did not repent he threw them in the ditch and lit in the other ditch until they died.

Source:

1. Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 258-259, hadeeth # 18

Grading:

1. Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Hasan (Good)
à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 401

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