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#61 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2014 13:26
him with the old site (which is incorrectly listed on your forum)

can you please point out where exactly so it can be corrected...the link on the side bar of the home page?
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#62 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2014 13:42

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Khala,

Nobody is either asking for a dissection of Fatwa nor expecting it so no discussion on this issue is necessary. 

You however admit that there is nothing (historically evident) from Deobandi Ulama about hurling abuses at other (Non-Deobandees) let alone fellow Deobandi Ulama. You also clearly see that there is an “aspect of disrespect” involved.

Nobody is asking for you to explain, dissect, understand, explain the nature of these statements. In fact in due deference honour and reverence to the noble Shaykh (HA) I have not dissected or condemned his action (either).

What we are saying to you is that sort of language is NOT FIT to be displayed when used for other Ulama.

What are his reason for using such language (we have not guessed or judged) but if you were to remove the name and merely send the Fatwaas (about leading Deobandi Ulama) to Darul-Iftaas around the world you will find that they will NOT approve this sort of language. That has also been done!

The simple point you are not understanding is that if disagreement with Ulama is not fit for public (laymen) consumption then abuse most certainly isn’t. Again nobody is expecting you to agree but at least to actually see someone’s clear point of view when you clearly agree that it is without precedence.

This isn't a technical discussion on a Fatwa but pure English language and comprehension matter. I am sure that you read and realise what is being said plainly and clearly.

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Correct, that is his old site for which password etc has been lost!

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#63 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2014 16:34
Blah blah blah...


Meh....
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#64 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2014 16:36
InshaAllah I'll read it again.
Plz point out my errors.
It's not the matter of discussion for me. I wish to know this issue deeply.

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#65 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2014 16:41
Not your error just confirm that you have translated it accurately.
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#66 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2014 17:43
al-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

My objective was not to single out anyone in my post, sister ummitaalib. My apologies if it seemed like that.

Anyone who uses such indecent language and constant takfir of Muslims cannot be considered a man of taqwa. We base our judgement on the external and not the internal.

The point of this discussion is to realize that criticisms of the Majlis or anyone else is perfectly fine and one is not held accountable or deemed sinful in matters of genuine disagreement. Muadh Khan has brought some light to the core of this discussion.
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#67 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2014 21:09
Blah blah blah..
dr sahib, too much of it from my part I know

My apologies if it seemed like that.
No need for apologies brother ibnulqayyim


Brother muadh
In the beginning I wasnt sure what the question were leading to...

At first I thought it was more to do with why you say and act the way you do and my reactions to it i.e. the online disagreements we've had for the last few years. That was the reason I went to such length to give my reasons..."old" i know

now i know it was so I/we (those promoting the majlis in this particular topic) understand why Mawalan Yasin (MS) has banned it....that such language as what is used by Mufti Desai sahib (against other ulama) is unfit...so basically I should not have made a protest at the ban without knowledge of how things work

If I had known from the start I would not have bothered with all the long winded explanations. Khayr, it still has served a purpose to an extent. InshaAllah we all understand each other. I do not wish to be dragged into what I've always fought against. IF I have any doubts, worries, criticism even where scholars and deeni matters are concerned are concerned, I'll make direct contact. No scholar/organisation is perfect but we don't have to publicise the flaws to the extent it is done on forums


Jazaakumullah to everyone including those who clicked on "agree/ like" to my posts...much appreciated


PS regarding Islamicteachings.org it is not my site, I'm a junior admin and part of a team working to propagate the teachings of authentic scholars, to inshaAllah connect readers to teachings of haqq where once the site was full of teachings from unauthentic sources

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#68 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2014 21:12
By the way, regarding:
Sister Maria is another flipper-flopper she sends questions then gets a response and then gets confused, based on what?

what does the word mean?
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#69 [Permalink] Posted on 16th September 2014 23:27

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I don't understand what you are saying at all. I apologise if I have hurt your feelings.

The issue is plain and clear when it comes to Majlis. You said that you are unable to judge the Academic nature so I reduced the argument to something you (and anyone else) can clearly spot and detect.

NOBODY in South Africa or UK takes the Majlis Fatwaas seriously (Academically) and feel free to check with any of the Ulama of your choice!

*Self Censor*Self Censor*Sel fCensor

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She gets confused (amongst others) and its pretty clear from many of her posts based on unAcademic and unsound Fatwaas. Not her fault its the fault of others for not challenging responses which are not robust!

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#70 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 03:22
GM ke aitrazat haqiqat ke a'ine me: In it the issue of women's praying salah in masjid has been discussed from pages# 442 to 465

Fatawa: Herein, issue of hijab has been discussed from page# 83 to 103.

My post is not the translation of the contents of the abovementioned books.
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#71 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 09:51
its ok brother muadh...no need for apologies


She gets confused (amongst others) and its pretty clear from many of her posts based on unAcademic and unsound Fatwaas. Not her fault its the fault of others for not challenging responses which are not robust!

I think she may wonder what was meant... a seeker trying to sift through the sheer magnitude of info found online and from companions from all kinds of backgrounds ...as are many people today

.........and this is the concern i carry regarding our role online

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#72 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 10:03


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#73 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 10:16

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And this is why I tried my best for 2 days not to bring anything else in the discussion as you will pick the other strand of discussion up.

  1. I unreservedly apologise for discussing matters which are not relevant
  2. Sister can discuss it directly with me what I meant or didn't mean (in addition) to apology above.

I request you to draw line under this segment of the discussion.

Let’s get back to the crux and heart of the issue which is genuine and demonstrable abuse towards Ulama. Again nobody is asking you to explain it, nobody is asking you to defend it, nobody is asking you to justify or even condemn the simple request for 2 days is for you to merely understand that its there.

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#74 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 11:07
I think a noble mufti can't use infra-dignity words in his fatwa. It seems to me that someone else writes these fatawas on his behalf. I don't know what's the reality behind it.
Plz also see this fatwa and its language.

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#75 [Permalink] Posted on 17th September 2014 11:09

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To the best of my knowledge and understanding Hazrat (HA) writes and answers everything himself...

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