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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd November 2012 09:12
From a salafi sister...help with answer!! They say "we too follow scholars"

We follow the way of the Salaf (the first three generations of Muslims) because they had the right understanding of Islaam and didn't deviate in matters of Aqeedah. Read this hadith:

"The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said, "The best people are those living in my generation, and then those who will follow them, and then those who will follow the latter." (Sahih Bukhari Book 57, Hadith 3)

Our guide and source is Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid and when we work with question and answers we use www.islamqa.com
Other scholars related to same is also used by us.

Our Sheikh is an Islamic lecturer who was born in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, in 1960. He was raised in and currently lives in Saudi Arabia.

Al-Munajid graduated from King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals (KFUPM) in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, with a Bachelor's degree in Industrial Management.

Al-Munajid studied Islamic law under the scholar 'Abd al-'Aziz ibn Baaz, who authorized him to teach and give lectures in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia while he had not yet reached the age of thirty. He also studied under the scholars Muhammad ibn al Uthaymeen, Abdullah Ibn Jibreen, Saleh Al-Fawzan, and Abd ar-Rahmaan al-Baraak.And Shaikh Al Albani.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd November 2012 09:48
I use islamqa many times but only for reference and comparisons. Brother Muadh will be able to give a better answer with regards to the site and its scholars.

2 things I would like to point out though, there are many different opinions on the same ruling so it is even more easier to get confused on that site and the fact that islamqa is blocked in Saudi Arabia is something to think about, because the Saudi regime openly say that they follow the Salafiyah manhaj, doesnt make sense to me!

The Hadith is brilliant because it talks about the Khairul Quroon. 1960 or even 1860 or 1760 and even more further back comes nowhere near the first 3 generations.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd November 2012 14:32

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From a salafi sister...help with answer!! They say "we too follow scholars" We follow the way of the Salaf (the first three generations of Muslims) because they had the right understanding of Islaam and didn't deviate in matters of Aqeedah. Read this hadith: "The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said, "The best people are those living in my generation, and then those who will follow them, and then those who will follow the latter." (Sahih Bukhari Book 57, Hadith 3) Our guide and source is Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid and when we work with question and answers we use www.islamqa.com Other scholars related to same is also used by us. Our Sheikh is an Islamic lecturer who was born in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, in 1960. He was raised in and currently lives in Saudi Arabia. Al-Munajid graduated from King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals (KFUPM) in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, with a Bachelor's degree in Industrial Management. Al-Munajid studied Islamic law under the scholar 'Abd al-'Aziz ibn Baaz, who authorized him to teach and give lectures in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia while he had not yet reached the age of thirty. He also studied under the scholars Muhammad ibn al Uthaymeen, Abdullah Ibn Jibreen, Saleh Al-Fawzan, and Abd ar-Rahmaan al-Baraak.And Shaikh Al Albani.

W-Salam Sister,

I am glad that you have mentioned our dear beloved and respected Shaykh Salih Al-Munajjid (HA) whose site by the way is banned in Saudi Arabia but can be accessed outside of the country. Here is his introduction & biography:

Foremost Teachers:

  1. Shaykh Ibn Baz (RA)  = Hanbali
  2. Shaykh Uthaymeen (RA)  = Hanbali

Foremost Fiqh Work:

  1. Summarisation of Umdatul-Ahkaam by Imam Al-Maqdisi Al-Hanbali
  2. Seventy Mas'ail of Fasting (Hanbali Madhab)

So he is a Hanbali trained Scholar like his teachers and gives Fatwa based on principles of Hanbali Madhab exercising Ijtehaad which obviously differ from the Hanafi Madhab.

ALL SCHOLARS OF ISLAM including Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (HA) and his illustrious teachers OBLIGE an individual to perform Taqleed of Scholars but then differ in final details:

  1. Taqleed Shaksi: This is the predominant position of Ulamah of Deoband today which means that laymen are obligated to follow a MADHAB specifically and seek Ulamah from that Madhab
  2. Taqleed Ghair Shaksi: is the predominant position of Hanbali Ulamah and states that laymen can ask any Scholar with Taqwa and thus laymen is upon the Madhab of the Scholar (who is asked)

So if you want to follow islam-qa you are indeed making Taqleed.

Jazakullah Khairun

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd November 2012 14:35

Aapa,

Most of the Ulamah of Deoband and Mashaykh of Tassawuff are of the opinion of Taqleed Shaksi (Mufti Hussain Kadodia of Sunniforum) while others are of the opinion of Taqleed Ghair-Shaksi (Haris Hamam of IslamicAwakening).

Jazakullah Khairun

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd November 2012 20:13
Assalaamu 'alaykum ww
Jazaakallaahu khayran for this....really helpful and appreciate it a lot

just to clarify: the hambalis can ask any scholar of any madhab and follow that ruling?

Also those who claim to follow the thefirst 3 generations only and who act on hadith from Bukhari without even consulting a scholar are not included in the above category right? (only today a sister insisted we cannot fast tomorrow (9th muharram) because she read a hadith regarding not fasting optional fasts on a friday)
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd November 2012 20:45

"ummi taalib" wrote:
Assalaamu 'alaykum ww Jazaakallaahu khayran for this....really helpful and appreciate it a lot just to clarify: the hambalis can ask any scholar of any madhab and follow that ruling? Also those who claim to follow the thefirst 3 generations only and who act on hadith from Bukhari without even consulting a scholar are not included in the above category right? (only today a sister insisted we cannot fast tomorrow (9th muharram) because she read a hadith regarding not fasting optional fasts on a friday)

Asslamo Allaikum Aapa,

The Hanbali Ulamah of Saudi Arabia also consider Taqleed to be WAAJIB but they define Taleed as Taqleed Ghair-Shaksi meaning a layman can ask any Scholar.

They don't permit the sort of DIY Ijtehaad which the Sister is doing and recommending at all and here is her misunderstanding clarified with evidence:

Saheeh Bukahri:

Narrated Sayyidna Abu Huraira (RA): I heard the Prophet (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) saying, "None of you should fast on Friday unless he fasts a day before or after it." [Bukhari]
 

Fatwa of Shaykh Uthaymeen Al-Hanbali (RA):

"But if Friday coincided with the day of ‘Arafah for example, and a person then fasted it [i.e. only the Friday], then there is no harm or objection [in doing so] because this man [questioner] fasted [the Friday] because of it being the day of ‘Arafah and not because it was merely a Friday [and] if Friday coincided with the day of ‘Aashooraa’ and he fasted it then there is no objection in him to singularly fast that that day since he fasted it because it is the day of ‘Aashooraa’ and not because it is merely a Friday."

Fatwa of Islam-qa (whom she follows):

 

Ruling on fasting on Saturdays

What is the ruling on fasting on Saturdays at times other than Ramadaan? What if the day of ‘Arafah happens to be a Saturday?.

Praise be to Allaah.

It is makrooh to single out Saturday for fasting, because of the report narrated by al-Tirmidhi (744), Abu Dawood (2421) and Ibn Maajah (1726) from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Busr, from his sister, that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not fast on Saturdays apart from days when you are obliged to fast. If any one of you cannot find anything other than grape stalks or the twigs of a tree, let him chew it (to make sure that he is not fasting).” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Irwa’ (960). Abu ‘Eesa al-Tirmidhi said: This is a hasan hadeeth. What is makrooh in this case is for a man to single out Saturday for fasting, because the Jews venerate Saturday. End quote.

Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Mughni (3/52): Our companions said: It is makrooh to single out Saturday for fasting … what is makrooh is singling out that day. If he fasts another day along with it, then it is not makrooh, because of the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah and Juwayriyah. If it coincides with a day that a person regularly fasts, it is not makrooh.

What is meant by the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah is the report narrated by al-Bukhaari (1985) and Muslim (1144) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “No one of you should fast on Friday, unless he fasts (a day) before it or after it.”

The hadeeth of Juwayriyah was narrated by al-Bukhaari (1986) from Juwayriyah bint al-Haarith (may Allaah be pleased with her), that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered upon her on a Friday and she was fasting. He said; “Did you fast yesterday?” She said, “No.” He said: “Do you intend to fast tomorrow?” She said: “No.” He said: “Then break your fast.”

This hadeeth and the one before it clearly indicate that it is permissible to fast on a Saturday at times other than Ramadaan, for the one who fasts the Friday before.

It is proven in al-Saheehayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The most beloved of fasting to Allaah is the fast of Dawood; he used to fast one day and not the next.”

In this case it is bound to happen that he will sometimes fast on a Saturday on its own. So it may be understood from this that if Saturday coincides with a day that he habitually fasts, such as ‘Arafah or ‘Ashoora’, there is nothing wrong with fasting on that day, even if it is on its own.

Al-Haafiz stated in al-Fath that an exception to the prohibition on fasting on Friday is made if a person habitually fasts on a certain day, such as ‘Arafah, and it coincides with Friday.

The same applies to Saturday. We have quoted the words of Ibn Qudaamah concerning that above.


Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

It should be noted that different scenarios may apply with regard to fasting on a Saturday.

1 – It may be obligatory, such as observing a Ramadaan fast during Ramadaan or making it up later on, or observing a fast as expiation (kafaarah), or instead of offering a sacrifice when performing Hajj tamattu’, and so on. There is nothing wrong with that so long as he does not single it out deliberately thinking that there is some virtue in that.

2 – If he fasts on the Friday before, there is nothing wrong with it, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to one of the Mothers of the Believers who was fasting on a Friday: “Did you fast yesterday?” She said: “No.” He said: “Are you going to fast tomorrow?” She said, “No.” He said: “Then break your fast.” The words, “Are you going to fast tomorrow?” indicate that it is permissible to fast Saturday along with Friday.

3 – If it happens to be one of the days when it is prescribed to fast, such as Ayyaam al-Beed (the 13th, 14th and 15th of each hijri month), ‘Arafah, ‘Ashoora’, six days of Shawwaal for one who has fasted Ramadaan, and the ninth of Dhu’l-Hijjah. There is nothing wrong with that, because he is not fasting because it is Saturday, rather it is because it is one of the days when it is prescribed to fast.

4 – When it happens to be a day when he habitually fasts, such as a person whose habit is to fast alternate days, and the day that he fasts happens to be a Saturday, then there is nothing wrong with it, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said when he forbade fasting one or two days before Ramadaan begins: “except a man who (habitually) observes a fast, in which case let him fast.” This is similar.

5 – If he singles it out to observe a voluntary fast for one day only. This is what is forbidden, if the hadeeth forbidding it is proven to be saheeh.

End quote from Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (20/57)

And Allaah knows best.
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So where is this Sister getting her ideas from? 

:- ) I know but lets just drop it :-)

Conclusion:

  1. She is obviously a laymen who doesn't know what she is doing because the issue is about singling out Friday (according to some Scholars)
  2. She is obviously not following islam-qa because they havn't said anything like this at all!

Based on her misunderstanding it would be strongly advised to our respected Sister to return to Taqleed of Ulamah and Shaykh Salih Al-Munajjid (HA) because this isn't an issue at all.

Jazakullah Khairun

We respect Hanbali Ulamah and there is no reason for us to disagree on this issue because there isn't an issue here :-) The issue is created because someone thinks that they can follow Hadeeth directly without the guidence of Ulamah.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd November 2012 20:55

10th of Muharram is on Saturday and here is the official Fatwa from Saudi Hanbali Ulamah that there is no problem with fasting on Saturday:

www.islamweb.net/fatwa/index.php?page=showfatwa&Optio...

 
ما حكم صيام يوم عاشوراء لو وافق يوم السبت؟
الإجابــة
 

الحمد الله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله وعلى آله وصحبه، أما بعد :

فالصوم المندوب إليه - شرعاً - لا يترك لموافقته يوماً يكره أن يفرد بالصيام لقوله صلى الله عليه وسلم : "لا تقدموا رمضان بصوم يوم ولا يومين إلا رجل كان يصوم صوماً فليصمه" . رواه مسلم ، فدلّ الحديث على أن من اعتاد صياماً ثابتاً ثم وافق ذلك يوماً يكره الصيام فيه منفرداً ، فإنه يصومه ولا حرج عليه في ذلك.
ويوم عاشوراء قد ورد الحديث بالأمر بصيامه ويستحب أن يضيف إليه صيام التاسع من المحرم مخالفة لليهود لأنهم يفردون العاشر بالتعظيم ، فإذا وافق يوم عاشوراء يوم السبت تأكدت إضافة التاسع لأن هذا اليوم سيكون معظماً عند اليهود من وجهين ونحن مطالبون بمخالفتهم ، والحديث المشار إليه هو ما رواه مسلم عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما قال: لما صام رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يوم عاشوراء وأمر بصيامه قالوا : يا رسول الله إنه يوم تعظمه اليهود والنصارى فقال: " إذا كان العام المقبل إن شاء الله صمنا اليوم التاسع" ، قال: فلم يأت العام المقبل حتى توفى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم.
والله أعلم.

 

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd November 2012 21:17
wa'alaykumus salaam ww
Jazaakallah! very informative...allaahumma zid fazid (read the blog post, hope to see the next post soon as i would really like to know what salafi scholars say about blind following). Actually it would very beneficial to have info about what salafi scholars say about certain subjects. maybe a thread with a compilation of various examples such as the above

o and jazakallah for info regarding when its 10th muharram.....
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd November 2012 21:20
apologies, post removed, my mistake.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd November 2012 22:42

"ummi taalib" wrote:
wa'alaykumus salaam ww Jazaakallah! very informative...allaahumma zid fazid (read the blog post, hope to see the next post soon as i would really like to know what salafi scholars say about blind following). Actually it would very beneficial to have info about what salafi scholars say about certain subjects. maybe a thread with a compilation of various examples such as the above o and jazakallah for info regarding when its 10th muharram.....

Jazakullah Khairun Aapa

10th = Saturday in Europe and Saudia for different reasons ofcourse but same date.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 25th November 2012 21:59
Salaam sister ummi taalib.

I have a question for this salafi sister. Alhumdulillah she seems to be a very good, god fearing person. She is keen to follow the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, MashaAllah and so should we all.


I have a question for this sister;

Q: is she pro HMC? Or will she eat from HFA certified KFC?

If her answer is yes, she is pro hmc, then that's great. If she says that she would eat from the KFC, then leave it at that as a general question (unless you want to go into detail)

However, if she says NO, she wouldn't eat from KFC, ask her why. Once you have understood her reasons and if it matches your reasons then ask her to explain this.

www.muftisays.com/forums/the-food-section/7041/mechanical...

Jazakallahu khair.
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 26th November 2012 12:56
wa'alaykumus salaam ww
theres two sisters here...one who sent me the message which is in the first post (proper salafi) and the other is a student who i wouldnt say is a salafi.. along with her cousin they tend to read hadith and basically take it as law and this is what happened with the fasting on friday. One had read the hadith and told the other not to fast on friday because of it....and i know they're not strict HMC consumers
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 26th November 2012 13:49
Ok, Jazakallah.

Maybe you can ask them on a personal level about mechanical slaughter because it seems Islamqa.com are ok with it.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2014 12:10
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 18th June 2014 12:55
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Mashaallah...that was very beneficial, Jazakallah for posting.
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