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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 16th August 2012 18:28


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I doubt the dream was meant to be taken as hujjah when it was made known to others anyway. It was merely sharing knowledge of a possibility and invoking others to increase ibadah that night. Alhamdulillah, seemed to work for many people. May Allah accept all our ibadah.
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 16th August 2012 19:12
Jazakallahu khair for your input.

Can I ask when was anyone slandered?
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 16th August 2012 19:41
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Jazakallahu khair for your input.

Can I ask when was anyone slandered?


And I request the the person who made an accusation of slander should answer since all the posts are public and readable....If they cannot prove that someone has been slandered then in Shariah they are susceptible to "Tazeer" because they have made an ugly accusation , themselves

This is a public forum so if the Ulamah or anyone else has been slandered it should be dealt with and the person actioned. The person who has made the accusation should have the decency to respond and point out factual matters.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 16th August 2012 19:44
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sunniforum wrote:
I doubt the dream was meant to be taken as hujjah when it was made known to others anyway. It was merely sharing knowledge of a possibility and invoking others to increase ibadah that night. Alhamdulillah, seemed to work for many people. May Allah accept all our ibadah.


It has had the opposite effect on many who believe that Laytaul qadar is now gone so no point in extra ibaadat anymore. Have you thought of that?
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 16th August 2012 20:24
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Jazakallahu khair for your input.

Can I ask when was anyone slandered?



And I repeat the question above.


Seems to me the only person accusing anyone of anything is the guest.

Please clarify your accusation about the apparent accuser.

Shukran.
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 16th August 2012 21:18
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I dont think hurling abuse on the internet and making slanderous comment belittleingand personalising this debate to such an extent that i sense a great deal of frustration and despair iMay Allaah have mercy on this group. Many such signs of the lalylatul qadr have been reported in the literature on ramadhan and laylatul qadr.

see virtues of ramadan in english p62 ibn Abbas radiallaho anhu related while sleeping once someone said to me in my dream. Rise up this is laylatul qadr. I woke up and proceeded in haste to Rasullulah sallalaho alaihi wasslam. There i found him in salaat. That was the 23 night. As we have been instructed to search for it in the odd nights of the last ashra so it can change from year to year
Argue not amongst yourselves, ... Allah is with those who patiently preserve. Sura Anfal v46


I would like to know the names of the scholars who announced this. At which Masjid and which Buzurg saw the dream. Because as far as i am concerned, the event itself has not been confirmed that this was actually announced? Please let me know of anyone knows.

Re: positive response and praising of this act by the guest... Did the scholar who decided to give the glad tidings of Laylatul Qadr to the general public explain what you said above? Did they share the Hadeeth of Nabi (s.a.w.) or did they just share the dream of the Buzurg?

Guest says that it had a positive effect. How can telling people that last 10 days are not important as we know it's the 27th night and it's been confirmed, in a dream. How is that positive? You clearly do not see how this is a disaster and how this modern forwarding anything without knowledge disease turned the night that is better than a thousand months into a joke.
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2012 00:11



Question:
When is Laylat al-Qadr?
Answer:

The Prophet Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, "Whoever prays on Laylat al-Qadr out of faith and sincerity, shall have all their past sins forgiven." [Bukhari and Muslim, from Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him)]

The Prophet (Allah bless him & give him peace) also said, "Seek it in the last ten days, on the odd nights." [Bukhari and Muslim from Abu Sa`id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him)]

The scholars affirm that it is the best of nights, [al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, quoting Mi`raj al-Diraya, 1.216] because of Allah Most High's words,

"Lo! We revealed it on the Night of Power.

Ah, what will convey unto thee what the Night of Power is!

The Night of Power is better than a thousand months.

The angels and the Spirit [Jibril] descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, will all decrees.

(That night is) Peace until the rising of the dawn."

(Qur'an, Surat al-Qadr: 97)

Imam Nawawi and others explain that 'The Night of Power is better than a thousand months,' means that it is better than a thousand months without it.

Given the tremendousness of this night, it is recommended to seek this night, and to worship Allah in it, with prayer, supplication (du`a), remembrance (dhikr), and other actions. [Ibn Abidin, Radd al-Muhtar, quoting Mi`raj al-Diraya, and Nawawi, al-Majmu`] Because obligatory acts are more beloved to Allah than supererogatory ones, the most important thing for men is to pray both Isha and Fajr at the mosque.

When is it?

There is great difference of opinion about this, because it is of the matters whose certain knowledge has been lifted by Allah Most High from this Ummah, for the wisdom that people strive to seek it:

In general, it is agreed that it is most likely to be in the last ten nights of Ramadan, with the odd nights being more likely. Of the odd nights, the night of the 27th (which is the night before the 27th of Ramadan, for the Islamic day starts with nightfall) is most likely. Imam Shafi`i said that it is most likely to be the 21st, then the 23rd, then the 27th. Imam Nawawi followed the position of Imam Muzani and Imam Ibn Khuzayma that it moves around within the last ten nights. [Nawawi, al-Majmu` Sharh al-Muhadhdhab, 6.488]

However, it could be outside the last ten nights within Ramadan. It may even be outside Ramadan according to both early and late scholars. This has been transmitted from many of the Companions of the Prophet (Allah bless him & give him peace), including Ibn Mas`ud (Allah be pleased with him). It is one of the reported positions of Imam Abu Hanifa, and also of many of the great knowers of Allah, including Ibn Arabi (whose position is quoted by Ibn Abidin with support), Abu'l Hasan al-Shadhili, Sha`rani, and many others.

May Allah give us the success of following in the footsteps of the inheritors of the Prophet (Allah bless him & give him peace), outwardly and inwardly, and may He make us of those whom He loves.

This is one of the many reasons why one should strive to establish the night vigil prayer (tahajjud), daily.

Explanation:

It has been reported that, "Once the last ten [days of Ramadan] started, the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace be upon him, his family, and companions) used to spend the nights in worship, wake his family, strive, and tighten his belt." [Bukhari and Muslim] Tighten his belt refers to determination.

The established position of Abu Hanifa and his two main companions, Abu Yusuf and Muhammad ibn al-Hasan (Allah have mercy on them) is that it is specific to Ramadan. Abu Hanifa said that it is not a fixed day but, rather, it moves around in the month. [Ibn Abidin, Radd al-Muhtar, from al-Bahr and al-Kafi] As for the hadiths about it being the night of the 27th, Ibn Abidin mentions that Abu Hanifa explained them as meaning a particular year.

Ibn Abidin quotes Ibn Nujaym's Bahr al-Ra'iq that this is one transmitted position of Abu Hanifa. Another, mentioned in Qadikhan's Fatawa al-Khaniyya, one of the most important works for fatwa in the school, is that the famous transmission from Imam Abu Hanifa is that it moves around the entire year; it could be in Ramadan, and it could be in another month.

Ibn Abidin said,

"This is supported by what the Master of the Knowers of Allah Sayyidi Muhyi al-Din Ibn Arabi mentioned in his Futuhat al-Makkiyya,

'People differed about Laylat al-Qadr. Some said it moves around the entire year. This is my position, for I have seen it in the month of Sha`ban, and in Rabi`, and in Ramadan. I have seen it most, though, in the month of Ramadan, and, specifically, in the last nights. I saw it once in the second third of Ramadan, on an even night, and once on an odd night. Therefore, I am certain that it moves around the entire year, on both odd and even nights.'

And there are many opinions regarding this, which reach 46 different positions." [Ibn Abidin, Radd al-Muhtar]

This is reported to be the position of Ibn Mas`ud (Allah be pleased with him) and other great Companions. [As mentioned by Bututi in his Kashshaf al-Qina`, and others; for the many narrations from the Companions and Followers about Laylat al-Qadr, see Ibn Abi Shayba's Musannaf]

Imam al-Nafrawi al-Maliki mentions in his al-Fawakih al-Dawani fi Sharh Risalat Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani that the position of Imam Malik, Imam Shafi`i and Imam Ahmad, and the majority of the scholars is that Laylat al-Qadr is not a specific night. Rather, it moves around.

Imam Sarakhsi mentions in his Mabsut, a 30-volume masterpiece of Hanafi legal reasoning, proofs, and comparative fiqh that was mainly authored by dictation to students while unjustly imprisoned in a pot well, that the position of most of the Companions (Allah be pleased with him) was that it is on the night of the 27th. (3.127) This understood, others explain, to mean that its most likely night is the night of the 27th of Ramadan. [As in Ruhaybani's Matalib Uli'n Nuha Sharh Ghayat al-Muntaha 2.225 in Hanbali fiqh]

And Allah alone gives success.

Walaikum assalam,

Faraz Rabbani.
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2012 00:13
Asalaamualykum brother, i havve not been on muftisays for a while but nevertheless,

Since we are talking about 'the prophet saw in your dream' im quite confuzed because as we have never seen the prophet saw(obviously) so if the prophet saw appears in our dream how can we recognise him because we have never seen him before?
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2012 00:30
Dear respected guest, we are fully aware of the narrations, however that is not the point of this discussion.

Which part do you misunderstand, let me point out the vital bits which you may have overlooked.


Yasin wrote:
You clearly do not see how this is a disaster and how this modern forwarding anything without knowledge disease turned the night that is better than a thousand months into a joke.

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2012 00:47
The post was based on the whole statement including that of the 27th is confirmed
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2012 00:57
Back to square one.

You are stressing the fact 27th IS the nite and that its confirmed, SubhanAllah.

The news spread around was in correct (allegedly) by seniors, this is where it becomes the joke.
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2012 01:05
AssalaamsWW,

Maybe temporarily 'park' this thread for about a week or so. I'm sure we can all do with a little extra time off the forums over the next few remaining days.

Duas ya'all
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2012 01:08
The guest should.get their facts right and answer the accusations they have made on us of slander, otherwise the slanderous comments are wrong and towards us.
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2012 01:48
Dear brother Im not accusing anyone of anything Im myself follow Deobandi maslak im not a imposter or poser. May Allah and you forgive me if i offended you or a another Muslim.
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2012 01:53
I must of misuderstood brother yasins statement I posted the Shaykhs statement to show the various opinions on this night and nothing is truely CONFIRMED concerning this night wallahu 'Alam.
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