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#76 [Permalink] Posted on 30th May 2014 16:52

inshallah it makes some head....but not to get hopes too high as theres been quite a few such 'moments' in the past which didnt amount to much change. slowly but surely inshallah

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#77 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2015 21:58

Received via email.

www.croydonmosque.com/pdf/Fatwa_Following_Saudi_Ruyat-e-H...

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A groundbreaking Fatwa from Indian Deobandees on rejection of Saudi sighting.

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#78 [Permalink] Posted on 30th September 2015 09:37

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Assalamu Alaykum wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuh.
With reference to the next ICOP Conference in Turky, it was mentioned the tri-zonal calendar suggested by Dr Mohammad Ilyas (Malaysia) should be considered (or even the bi-zonal one).

I have requested Dr Monzur Ahmed to send my his DOS program website and after a lot of searches, he has found most of the files. It is now hosted on our ICOUK website for your information.

Moon Calculator 6 by Dr Monzur Ahmed

From the tri-zonal calendar image below, you can see that the Eastern Zone starts from Pakistan/India eastwards. The Central Zone is Europe, Africa and Middle East. The Western Zone is the Americas.

For example, next Eids (Shawwal/Dhul Hijjah), all three zones give the same date so the whole world should have a united Eid on one day. This can only be possible if Saudi Arabia starts the month correctly with actual moon sighting, which may differ from the Ummul Qura calendar, as was the case this Dhul Hijjah 1436 AH.

Hence, I suggest the Turkish and Ummul Qura calendar criteria should be changed to HMNAO/Yallop (A+B) then we will likely see Eid on one-day in most years throughout the world, InshaAllah.

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For more more details on the science/fiqh analysis, the old Hilal Sighting & Islamic Dates by Dr Salman Shaikh is still valid!

Wassalam,

Qamar Uddin, York (UK)

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#79 [Permalink] Posted on 1st October 2015 10:33

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#80 [Permalink] Posted on 1st October 2015 11:04

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29 September 2015 19:00
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#81 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd October 2016 16:32

Why the Ulama need to wake up to this guy?

www.muftisays.com/blog/Muadh_Khan/3992_02-10-2016/abdulla...

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#82 [Permalink] Posted on 6th April 2017 18:12

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Well, did anyone speak to him. It's been almost 3 years since the post, but many decades since the claims and we're still on about the same thing.

The moon members are trying to get people to sign a letter to molvi motala for a unified sighting, but until this don't get resolved and the lies aren't corrected, nothing will happen man!

Did anyone sign the letter? Has anyone seen it? Please share it here if you can.

These people need to own up now.

If what has been said is true, then shame on them and since they are supposed to be our scholars, shame on them even more. Shame on the institute for overlooking it and causing all this pain and grief :(

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#83 [Permalink] Posted on 6th April 2017 20:24

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If you want to separate good guys from bad guys in life , always take a look at those who apologise when they make mistakes. Whether you are dealing with Atheists or Auliya or Allah Ta’ala, this barometer will Insha’Allah never fail you in life.

Those who are gracious and magnanimous admit their mistakes, no matter how atrocious or painful it may be for them.

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#84 [Permalink] Posted on 6th April 2017 21:07

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I'm posting this here because of the request within it. Otherwise, I have decided not to post much on the issue due to personal reasons and incorrect beliefs by others and their opinion of Muftisays and some of its members.

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Assalamu Alaykum wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuh. For a united Ramadan/Eid, please sign the letter (from the link below) to Maulana Yusuf Motala, Darul Uloom Bury, to consider adopting the Regional Moon Sighting Criteria for the UK. goo.gl/QMtHCK

"Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves." (Quran 13:11)

Why not gain extra rewards from Allah by forwarding this message to all your contacts (cut-and-paste)?

Wassalam,

Eng. Qamar Uddin
ICOUK Coordinator

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#85 [Permalink] Posted on 7th April 2017 10:58

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Our ICOUK Moon Sighting Criteria is different from that of Wifaqul Ulama in principle. Therefore, we are not promoting their criteria and neither are they promoting ours. So, please do not blame them for our actions (to write to Darul Uloom Bury)! If anyone has any concerns regarding this issue, please do not hesitate to email us via our on-line Contact Us form.
Wassalam,
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This is becoming more confusing. Ultimately, who are we meant to follow? Do the dates of ICOUK coincide with those of Wifaqul Ulama and what are the differences?

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#86 [Permalink] Posted on 7th April 2017 11:20

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I didn't know that ICOUK declare Islamic dates? When did that start happening?

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#87 [Permalink] Posted on 7th April 2017 11:26

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Fair enough, but what is the difference between ICOUK and Wifaqul Ulama?

Do they have different dates or just a different criteria. If it is just their criteria, then whats the difference?

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#88 [Permalink] Posted on 7th April 2017 12:53

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No idea and before today I didn't even know that ICOP were setting criteria on what 3 million Muslims should or shouldn't do and no idea on whose authority.

Wifaq's and BMSC criteria are well scrutinized scientifically and by Fatawa from Darul-ulooms around the world and is public knowledge.

Wifaq's declarations are public on their wesbite.

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#89 [Permalink] Posted on 24th June 2017 02:06

Are any notable ulamah involved with ICOUK. I have been receiving whatsapp links to qamar uddin's supposed letters to darul uloom bury.

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#90 [Permalink] Posted on 24th June 2017 09:24

The letters are there and he did try to make contact with the Darul Uloom, but didn't get anywhere with it.

With regards to Ulama, I'm not sure. But he does present a lot of work done by Wifaqul Ulama, yet his criteria differs from theirs.

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