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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2010 12:06

Salaam, I like topics with good titles and try to use the most appealing to Muslims and non Muslims alike.

This thread could have all the satanic deceptions and breakaway groups that have distorted the Image of Islam. e.g. Shia, Qadyani, Khawarij, Salafi, Barelwi, Rawafid, Pervezi etc etc.

Could members and non members please add to this.

 

PLEASE TRY TO KEEP EACH POST SHORT.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2010 12:15
According to Molwi Ajmad 'Ali A'zami, the deputy (khalifah) of Ahmad Rada Khan Barelwi, it is permissible for the khawwas to perform tawaf around the graves to seek blessings.

He writes in Bahar-i-Shari'ah,.4:90, a book of fiqh for the general public,

"And tawaf ta'zimi (for reverence) around the grave is not allowed, but if one circumambulates around the grave to gain blessings, then there is no harm in this. But awwam (laymen) would be stopped from this and [this] should not be performed in front of the laymen..."

SubhanAllah, what a way to decieve.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2010 14:37
The Twelvers

The Raafidis, Imamis or Ithna 'Asharis ("Twelvers") are one of the branches of Shi'ism. They are called Raafidis because they rejected (rafada) most of the Sahaabah (radiallahu anhum). They are called Imamis because they are primarily focused on the issue of imamate, and they made it a basic principle of their religion. They are called Ithna 'Asharis ("Twelvers") because they believe in the imamate of twelve men from the Prophet's (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) family (ahl al-bayt), the first of whom was 'Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) and the last of whom was Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-'Askari, the supposed hidden imam, who they say entered the tunnel of Samarra' in the middle of the third century AH and he is still alive therein, and they are waiting for him to come out!

They are major Kaafirs outside the fold of Islam. They hold beliefs and principles which are contrary to Ahlus-Sunnah W'al Jam'aah, such as the following:

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They exaggerate about their imams, claiming that they are infallible, and they devote many acts of worship to them such as supplication, seeking help, offering sacrifices and tawaaf (circumambulating their tombs). This is major shirk which Allaah tells us will not be forgiven. These acts of shirk are committed by their scholars and common folk alike, without anyone among them objecting to that.

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They say that the Holy Qur'aan has been distorted, and that things have been added and taken away. They have books concerning that which are known to their scholars and many of their common folk, and they even say that believing that the Qur'aan has been distorted is an essential tenet of their beliefs.

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They regard most of the Sahaabah (Companions - may Allaah be pleased with them) as kaafirs, and disavow them, and they seek to draw closer to Allaah by cursing and reviling them. They claim that they apostatized after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) except very few (only seven). This is a rejection of the Qur'aan which affirms their virtue, and says that Allaah was pleased with them and chose them to accompany His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Prophet (saw) said,
"The curse of Allah the angels and the whole people is upon whoever reviles my companions." [Ibn Hajar AI-Haithami in Majma' Al-Zawa'id] "Do not revile my companions, for by Him in Whose Hand is my soul, were one of you to spend gold equal to mount Uhud, you would not attain the reward of the handful of one of them or even half of it." [Bukhari and Muslim]

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: As for the one who goes further and claims that they apostatized after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died, apart from a small number, no more than ten or so, or that they became evildoers, there is no doubt that he is a kaafir, because he is rejecting what it says in the Qur'aan in more than one place, that Allaah was pleased with them and praised them. Indeed, the one who doubts that such a person is a kaafir is to be labelled as a kaafir himself, because what this view implies is that those who transmitted the Qur'aan and Sunnah were kuffaar or rebellious evildoers. The verse says "You (true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad (saw) and his Sunnah) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind" [Aal 'Imraan 3:110], and the best of them were the first generation. But according to this (shia) view, most of them were kaafirs and rebellious evildoers, and this ummah is the worst of nations and the earliest generations of this ummah were the most evil of them. The fact that this is kufr (disbelief) is something that no Muslim has any excuse for not knowing. End quote from al-Saarim al-Maslool 'ala Shaatim al-Rasool (p. 590).

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They attribute badaa' to Allaah, i.e., forming a new opinion that was not held before. This implies attribution of ignorance to Allaah, may He be exalted.

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They believe in taqiyah (dissimulation) which means showing outwardly something other than what one feels inside. In fact this is lying and hypocrisy and skill in deceiving people. This is not something that they do at times of fear; rather they regard use of taqiyah as a religious duty for minor and major matters, at times of fear and times of safety. Whatever of truth was narrated from one of their imams, such as praise for the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or agreeing with Ahl al-Sunnah, even in matters of purification or food and drink, is rejected by the Shi'ah who say that the Imam only said that by way of taqiyah.

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Belief in raja'ah, which is the belief that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the members of his household (ahl al-bayt), 'Ali, al-Hasan, al-Husayn and the other imams will return. At the same time, Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Uthmaan, Mu'aawiyah, Yazeed, Ibn Dhi'l-Jooshan and everyone who harmed Ahl al-bayt - according to their claims - will also return.

All of these people will return - according to their beliefs - to this world once more before the Day of Resurrection, when the Mahdi reappears, as the enemy of Allaah Ibn Saba' told them; they will return in order to be punished because they harmed Ahl al-Bayt. This is what they believe.

The Imami Shi'ah madhhab is a fabricated madhhab that has been introduced.

Secondly: From the above it is clear that these filthy shia beliefs are false and that it goes against the beliefs of Ahl al-Sunnah wa'l-Jamaa'ah, and that its beliefs will not be acceptable from anyone, either from their scholars or their common folk.


As for the imams to whom they claim to belong, they are innocent of this lie and falsehood.

Here follows the names of these imams:

1- 'Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) martyred in 40 AH.

2- Al-Hasan ibn 'Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) (3-50 AH)

3- Al-Husayn ibn 'Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) (4-61 AH)

4- 'Ali Zayn al-'Aabideen ibn al-Husayn (38-95 AH), whom they call al-Sajjaad

5- Muhammad ibn 'Ali Zayn al-'Aabideen (57-114 AH) whom they call al-Baaqir

6- Ja'far ibn Muhammad al-Baaqir (83-148 AH) whom they call al-Saadiq

7- Moosa ibn Ja'far al-Saadiq (128-148 AH) whom they call al-Kaadim

8- 'Ali ibn Moosa al-Kaadim (148-203 AH) whom they call al-Rida (Reza)

9- Muhammad al-Jawaad ibn 'Ali al-Rida' (195-220 AH) whom they call al-Taqiy

10- 'Ali al-Haadi ibn Muhammad al-Jawaad (212-254 AH) whom they call al-Naqiy

11- al-Hasan al-'Askari ibn 'Ali al-Haadi (232-260) whom they call al-Zakiy

12- Muhammad al-Mahdi ibn al-Hasan al-'Askari, whom they call al-Hujjah al-Qaa'im al-Muntazar. They claim that he entered a tunnel in Samarra', but most researchers are of the view that he did not exist at all, and that he is a Shi'i myth.

See: al-Mawsoo'ah al-Muyassarah (1/51).

Ibn Katheer said in al-Bidaayah wa'l-Nihaayah (1/177): As for what they believe about the tunnel of Samarra', that is a myth which has no basis in reality and no proof or sound reports.

Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) divided the Imams of the Ithna 'Ashari Shi'ah into four categories:

1 - 'Ali ibn Abi Taalib, al-Hasan and al-Husayn (may Allaah be pleased with them). They are noble Sahaabah and no one doubts their virtue and leadership, but many others shared with them the virtue of being companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and among the Sahaabah there are others who were more virtuous than them, based on saheeh (authentic) evidence from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

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'Ali ibn al-Husayn, Muhammad ibn 'Ali al-Baaqir, Ja'far ibn Muhammad al-Saadiq and Moosa ibn Ja'far. They are among the trustworthy and reliable scholars. Manhaaj al-Sunnah (2/243, 244).

3 - 'Ali ibn Moosa al-Rida, Muhammad ibn 'Ali ibn Moosa al-Jawaad, 'Ali ibn Muhammad ibn 'Ali al-'Askari, and al-Hasan ibn 'Ali ibn Muhammad al-'Askari. Concerning them, Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said: They did not show a great deal of knowledge such that the ummah might benefit from them, nor did they have any authority by means of which they could help the ummah. Minhaaj al-Sunnah (6/387).

4 - Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-'Askari al-Muntazar (the awaited one). He did not exist at all, as stated above.

And Allaah knows best.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2010 14:41
The Fallacy Of Shia Beliefs, From Their Own Sources:

What is the Shi'ites belief about Ahlus Sunnah Wa'l Jama'ah?

Muhammad ibn Yacoob Kulaini, the most prominent of all Shi'ite scholars of Hadith quotes Imam Baqir as saying: "Everybody, except us Shi'ites, are illegitimate." (Furoo'u Kafi in Kitabul Raudah: 135)

Mullah Baqir writes: "When Imam Mahdi appears, he will start to execute the Sunni scholars before turning to the non-believers." Similar words of this hadith has also been quoted in the tafseer Majma'ul Bayan with reference to the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). (Haqqul Yaqeen: 2:527)

Mullah Baqir quotes Imam Zainul Abideen:
A person asked the Imam about Abu Bakr and Omar.

The Imam replied: "I have been informed that they were both non-believers and any one who befriends them (by thinking they are good) are also non-believers." (Ibid: 2:522)


The same author quotes Imam Ali-ul-Naqi:
Imam Ali-ul-Naqi was asked about identifying the Nasibi group (those who prefer Abu Bakr and Omar over Ali): whether it was sufficient to know that they (the Nasibis) preferred Abu Bakr and Omar over Ali and that they held the Imamate of Abu Bakr and Omar in good standing. T'he Imam replied that whoever believed this was a Nasibi. (Ibid: 521)


Again, Mullah Baqir writes about these Nasibis:
The Nasibi (one who prefers Abu Bakr and Omar over Ali) is worse than an illegitimate person. It is true that Allah has not created anything more despicable than dogs. But the Nasibi is even more degenerate in the Eyes of Allah than a dog. (Ibid: 2:516)

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2010 15:07
The Barelwi's

Originating in the Indian Subcontinent, the belief and practices of this sect are founded upon superstition, folklore and many innovatory practices. It is a sad fact that the masses of ignorant Muslims do not know the real meaning of 'Ibaadah (worship); they address their worship to other than Allah, by turning in awe and submission to the graves of Prophets and Righteous people, invoking them, seeking their help, making vows and offering sacrifices to them, thereby committing shirk (associating partners with Allah), which drives a person right out of Islam.

They elevate the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) to the pedestal of Godhood. In their excessive veneration they resemble the Nasaara who deify Hadhrat Isaa (alayhis salaam) and his noble Mother, Hadhrat Maryam (alayhas salaam).

The Barelwis, when they say 'Ya Rasulallah', they say it believing that Rasulullah (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam) is haazir and naazir i.e. omnipresent and omniscient. This belief is against the teachings of Islam, because only Allah Ta'ala has total and perfect knowledge of everything.


By doing this they reject verse 5 of Surah Fatiha:
"You (Alone) we worship, and you (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything)."[Fatiha 1:5]

Allah, the Exalted, says:
"And invoke not, besides Allaah, any that will neither profit you, nor hurt you, but if (in case) you did so, you shall certainly be one of the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers)." [Yoonus 10:106]



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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2010 15:15
Nation Of Islam

More deserving to be called the Nation of Kufr, this cult has used black nationalism as its momentum in finding recruits, with elements of Muslim and Christian beliefs.

The most prominent of the pseudo-Islamic groups in America was "The Lost Found Nation of Islam" which became known in the news media as the "Black Muslims". This group's beginnings are somewhat shrouded in mystery. A foreigner, by the name of Wallace Fard Muhammad, of uncertain origin, taught what he termed Islaam among the black community in Detroit from 1929 to 1931. Following his disappearance in 1931, the most prominent of his students, Elijah Poole (1897-1975) secured leadership of the group and claimed that Fard was actually God in person and that he, Elijah, was the messenger of God sent to Black Americans. Elijah taught that Black people were gods, and White people were devils created by a Black scientist. Heaven and Hell, according to his teachings, are on earth in this life and there is no resurrection for the physically dead. They also believe that black scientists created and revealed the Bible and the Qur'an. [Black Muslims, pp. 72-78]

Although Elijah claimed that the Qur'aan was the book of Muslims, he mostly referred to the Bible in his teachings. Actually, the main text of the cult was a book composed of some of his speeches and newspaper articles which he called Message to the Black Man in America. [Elijah Muhammad, Message to the Black Man in America, (Chicago, ILL: Muhammad's Temple no. 2, 1965)].




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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 15th December 2010 21:38
Some good stuff here, please try to keep each post short. A heading with each post would be good. (As they are)

Dodgy Fatwas, Dodgy schools etc etc
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 16th December 2010 06:35
The Fallacy Of Shia Beliefs, From Their Own Sources:

The Beliefs of the Shi'ites about the Present Quran:

1) Jabir reported that he heard Imam Baqir saying: 'No one can claim that he has compiled the Quran as Allah revealed except a liar. The only person to compile it and memorise it according to its revelation was Ali ibn Abi Talib and the Imams who succeeded him. (Usul Kafi: 1:228)

2) A man said that someone was reciting the Quran in the company of Imam Ja'far. The narrator said that he heard certain verses in the recitation which were not according to the recitation of the people. Imam Ja'far told the person reciting: 'Do not recite like this. Recite as the people recite until the (promised) Mahdi arrives. When the Mahdi arrives, he will recite the Quran according to its original revelation and the Qu,ran compiled by Ali will be brought forward. (Ibid: 2.622)

3) Allah says in Surah Ale Imraan (32):
"Certainly Allah has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham and the family of Imraan above the (families of the) worlds."

Allamah Ali ibn Ibrahim AI-Qummi - one of the early Shi'ite commentators of the Quran said concerning this verse: 'The Imam said: 'The words: "The family of Muhammed" were also revealed along with "the family of Ale Imraan." They (referring to the Companions of the Prophet S.A.W.) removed the words "The family of Muhammad" from the original text (Al-Qummi's commentary:308). The allegation of removing the words preempts any possibility of abrogation. It is clear that the commentary is accusing the Companions of the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) of distorting the Quran.

Allah says in Surah Taha (115):
"And We had given Adam an order before, but he forgot and We did not find any resolve in him (to disobey the order)."

Imam Ja'far is reported to have said that Allah had revealed this verse with the following words: "We had ordered Adam before with some words about Muhammad, Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussain and the Imams from their offspring but he (Adam) forgot." Ja'far said: 'By Allah, these were the words which were revealed to Muhammad.' (Usul Kafi: 1:416 and the footnotes of Maqbool's translation: 637)

3) Allah says in Surah Yusuf (49):
"Then a year will come in which people will be given abundant help and they will press grapes." In AI-Qummi's commentary it is reported from Imam Ja'far that someone recited this verse in the presence of Ali. Ali said: 'What will they press'? Wine?' The person asked how he should read the verse. Ali replied that the verse was revealed thus: "Then a year will come in which people will he given abundant help and in which they will be given abundant rain. (Al-Qummi's commentary: 192)

The word Ya'siroon in the present Quran is in the active voice. According to this commentary it should have been read in the passive voice as Yu'saroon to alter the meaning. In the footnotes to the translation of Maqbool, it is written that this word (Ya'siroon) was changed from the passive voice to the active to suit the fancies of wine-loving khulafa (rulers). (Maqbool's translation: 479)

4) Allah says in Surah Muhammad (9):
"That is because they resented what Allah revealed, so Allah in turn cancelled their deeds." AI-Qummi has stated that Imam Muhammad Baqir said that Jibreel had transmitted this verse as: 'That is because they resented what Allah revealed about Ali.' But then the apostates removed Ali's name (from the Quran). (Ibid: 1011)

5) Allah says in Surah Waqi'ah (27-29):
"And the Companions of the Right Hand. What about the Companions of the Right Hand. They shall be among thornless lote-trees and under clusters of bananas."

One person recited this verse in the presence of Ali. Ali said that the word Talh is not.appropriate and should read Tal'a as in Surah Shu'araa (.........). Some enquired as why the word should not be changed. Ali replied that it was not the right time to do so because correcting the Quran would only confuse common people. He went on to say that among the Imams, only Imam Mahdi will have the right to reintroduce the Quran as it was during the time of the prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). (Ibid: 1067)

6) Abu Mansur Ahmed Tibrisi, a prominent Shi'ite scholar of the 8th century (H), has written:
'Enumerating the distortions and omissions of this sort (from the present Quran) would become laborious and it will disclose what Taqiyyah (Shi'ite practice to conceal the 'truth' for religious purposes) requires me not to disclose: the good qualities of Allah's friends and the vices of His enemies. (AI-Ihtijaj by Tibrisi: 1:254)

Mullah Muhsin Kashani, an 11th century Shi'ite scholar comments on the above quoted statement:

'It is clear from all of these traditions and quotations from the Family of the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) that the present Quran is not the complete Quran which was revealed to the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). In fact, there are verses that contradict that which was revealed; verses that have been distorted and places where omissions have been made such as the names of Ali, the Family of Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and, on several occasions, there were the names of the hypocrites. Moreover, the present order of the Quran is not according to the preferred order of Allah and His Messenger. Ali ibn Ibrahim (a renowned commentator) also holds this opinion.' (Tafseer of Saafi: l:32)
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 16th December 2010 06:41
Jazakallah, try to keep it short
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2010 06:36
The Fallacy Of Shia Beliefs, From Their Own Sources:

The Beliefs of the Shi'ites Regarding Prophethood:

1) Allah says in Surah Baqarah (26): "Certainly Allah does not disdain from giving a parable of a gnat or something larger."

Allamah Ali ibn Ibrahim explains that by the word "gnat" Allah refers to Ameerul Mumineen (Ali - radiallahu anh) and by the words "or something larger" He means the Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). (AI-Qummi: 19)

2) Sheikh Tusi and Nu'mani both narrate from the 8th Imam, Rida, that the sign of Imam Mahdi's appearance will be that he will appear naked in daylight. An announcer will announce that here is the Ameerul Mumineen himself who has reappeared. Mullah Muhammad Baqir Majlisi says that the first disciple to take pledge at the hands of the nude Mahdi will be Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) himself. (Haqqul Yaqeen: 2:337)

3) The leader of the Iranian revolution, Imam Khomeini writes:
'Every prophet came to establish justice on Earth. His aim was also to establish justice but he was not successful. The same is the position of the Seal of the Prophets who came to reform human society and establish justice but failed during his lifetime.' (Ittihad wa-yak-jihati:15)

4) Mullah Fathullah Kashani, a reliable Shi'ite scholar writes about Mut'ah:
The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: 'Whoever performs mut'ah (temporary marriage) once will receive the status of Hussain. Who ever performs mut'ah twice will receive the status of Hasan. Whoever performs mut'ah thrice will receive the status of Ali and who ever performs mut'ah four times will receive my status. (Tafseer Manhajul Sadiqeen: 1:356)

[Mu'tah is to marry someone for a short period of time (temporary marriage). In this marriage, the woman does not hold the status of a wife. Mut'ah is permissible and virtuous in Shi'ite law but forbidden and sinful in Sunni law.]

5) Imam Khomeini writes in his book 'A1Hukumatul Islamiyah' (52):
'It is a necessary principle of our faith that our Imams have ranks that exceed those of close angels and the appointed messengers.'



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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2010 06:50
The Shia Ulema believe that the position of Infallible Imam (i.e. Imamah) is higher than the position of Messenger or Prophet (i.e. Risalah and Nabuwwah). Al-Islam.org, the popular Shia website, declares that "the office of Imamate is a higher and more exalted office than prophethood." (Lesson Number 17)

Thus, the Shia Ulema believe that their twelve Infallible Imams are superior to all of the Prophets, except Prophet Muhammad (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam). They argue that Prophet Muhammad (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) is superior to the twelve Imams not because he was a Prophet, but rather "since Prophet Muhammad (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) was an Imam during his time as well." (Shia Encyclopedia, "Imamat vs. Prophethood," Part 1)


The Shia belief can be stated in equation form:

Prophet Muhammad (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) > 12 Imams > All of the other Prophets (alayhimus-sallam)

Imamah > Prophethood


There should be absolutely no confusion on this issue; this view is the dominant view of the Shia Ulema.

Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Fazel Lankarani, one of the Head Ayatollahs in the Shia Seminary in Qum, issued the following statements on his official website:

"Imam Ali is higher in rank than other prophets, because of his Imamate, but he is not higher in rank than the Prophet Muhammad (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam), because Muhammad (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) was both Prophet and Imam."

This view is categorically stated in the Shia Encyclopedia:

"The Shia further believe that the twelve Imams of the House of Prophet Muhammad (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) have the rank higher than that of ALL the messengers (be Imam or not) except Prophet Muhammad (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam)."
[Source: Shia Encyclopedia, "Imamat vs. Prophethood," Part 1]

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2010 06:54
In the book "Peshawar Nights", the Shia scholar, Sultanu'l-Wa'izin Shirazi, says: "Since the holy prophet was superior to all other prophets Ali was also superior to them."

The same view is held by the Shia Tafseer, also available on the Al-Islam.org website: "It means that a prophet is not necessarily an Imaam and Imaamat is an office of decidedly higher order..." (S.V. Mir Ali/Ayatollah Mahdi Puya Commentary of Verse 2:124)

In all of the authoratative books of the Shia, the recurring view is that the Imams are superior to the Prophets except Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wa sallam): "Imam 'Ali and the other Imaams of Ahlul Bayt are believed by the Shi'as to be higher in rank than all prophets and messengers except the Prophet of Islam (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam)" (Shiism: Imaamate and Wilayah, p.96)

Ayatollah Khomeini declared: "And an essential tenet of our Shi'ite sect is that the Imams have a position which is reached neither by the angels nor by any commisioned messenger of God." (Hukumat-i-Islami, p.52-53)

Of the four main Shia books of Hadith, Al-Kafi is considered the most reliable and authoratative. In it, we find the following Shia Hadith: "The Imams possess all the knowledge granted to the angels, prophets, and messengers." (Al-Kulaini, Al-Kafi, p.255) Another narration in Al-Kafi says: "Signs of the prophets are possessed by the Imams." (Al-Kafi, p.231)

Allamah Baqir Al-Majlisi says about the Imams: "Their preference [is] over the prophets and all the people." (Bihar Al-Anwar, Vol 26, Chapter 6) He further stated: "...our Imams are higher [and] better than the rest of the prophets...they are more knowledgeable than the prophets...this is the main opinion of the Imami (Shia), and is only rejected by one who is ignorant about the traditions." (Bihar Al-Anwar, Volume 26, p.297)


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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2010 06:57
In the propaganda book titled "Peshawar Nights", the Shia scholar Shirazi mentions the following about Ibrahim:

"Allah intended to make his rank more exalted. Since prophethood and the title of Khalil (friend) did not apparently rank a higher rank, the office of Imamate was the only office of a higher order to which even a Prophet of Allah could be entrusted...That Ali attained the rank of prophethood can be proven by the reference to the Hadith of Manzila (Tradition Regarding Ranks)."

This same view is held by Allamah Majlisi, who even admits that the Shia "might as well" call their Imams to be Prophets:

"On the whole, after admission of the fact that the Imams are not prophets, we are bound to acknowledge the fact that they are superior to all Prophets and Awsiya (legatees) except our Prophet (salutations and peace upon him and his family). To our knowledge there is no reason not to describe the Imams as Prophets except consideration to the status of the Final Prophet. Our intellect too, cannot perceive a distinction between Nabuwwah (prophethood) and Imamah."
[Bihar Al-Anwar, Volume 26, p.82 ]

Syed Ali Milani, another leading Shia personality, wrote an entire book entitled "The Preference of the Imams over the Prophets (A.S.)"

We could provide more references to prove our point, but we shall stop here for brevity sake. The bottom line is clear: the Shia believe that their Imams are superior to the Prophets (alayhimus-sallam)!!


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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2010 09:56
assalaamu 'alaykum brothers
this thread is really good but maybe the various posts should go in the related threads? i.e. there is a thread for Barelwis, Shias etc in this section...

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2010 19:21
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