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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2010 13:26

Where did you get that from? It's written with a lot of feeling and love for Nabi (s). Jazakillah for posting. A source for the article would be good.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2010 14:44

its from
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2010 17:17

I just had a quick look and there are definitely some things we don't agree with ..sister can you please post articles from authentic websites or by people with the correct aqeedah jazakallah.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2010 18:20

I think that's why she didn't post the link source with the article itself as the article itself seems fine unless I missed something as I read it quickly?

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2010 21:18

ok i see.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2010 11:24

shining light,the article seems fine to me.
what is in the article that you dont agree with?point it out so i can see what is wrong in that article,so that i can learn from the mistakes.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2010 16:27

sorry i haven't fully read the article and submitters isn't my target and neither do i know enough about them to tell you if there is anything wrong with the article but its from website which is a mixture of things some correct and some not so to me the article could be right or wrong.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2011 19:04

Salamun 'alaykum,
I hope brothers and sisters that we can hold an open discussion without insults and so on ,just logical arguments ; I am a submitter and I think that most of what was said about Rashad Khalifa was injust, even if the man himself is not the issue ,the main issue I think is : "is quran alone sufficient as source of religious laws ?" There are only two options :yes and no.
So if you agree we can discuss this subject, afterwards of course it is possible to discuss the mathematical miracle based on 19 or Rashad's messengerhood.
So if you accept(I think sister-in-islam that you are the most active on this topic) let us get started with the question of quran alone(if you accept of course).
I hope we will have a constructive dialog.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 10th August 2011 02:07

Salamun 'alaykum,

6:112 وكذلك جعلنا لكل نبي عدوا شيطين الانس والجن يوحي بعضهم الي بعض زخرف القول غرورا ولو شاء ربك ما فعلوه فذرهم وما يفترون
6:113 ولتصغي اليه افءده الذين لا يومنون بالءاخره وليرضوه وليقترفوا ما هم مقترفون
6:114 افغير الله ابتغي حكما وهو الذي انزل اليكم الكتب مفصلا والذين ءاتينهم الكتب يعلمون انه منزل من ربك بالحق فلا تكونن من الممترين
6:115 وتمت كلمت ربك صدقا وعدلا لا مبدل لكلمته وهو السميع العليم
6:116 وان تطع اكثر من في الارض يضلوك عن سبيل الله ان يتبعون الا الظن وان هم الا يخرصون
6:117 ان ربك هو اعلم من يضل عن سبيله وهو اعلم بالمهتدين

6:112 We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
6:113 This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.
6:114 Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
6:115 The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
6:116 If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.
6:117 Your Lord is fully aware of those who stray off His path, and He is fully aware of those who are guided.

The above verses are crystal clear , GOD says clearly that Quran is fully detailed as a source of religious laws and that the devils
are permitted to fabricate lies attribuatted to the prophet Muhammad like the propthets before him, and that the majority does not mean guidance, only GOD can judge who is guided ,and of course we can judge in the light of His holy book.
So now I ask you brothers and sisters ,why putting human books written centuries after the death of the prophet Muhammad as sources of religious laws beside the book of GOD,while the quran is fully detailed as a source of religious laws ?

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2011 01:01

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"is quran alone sufficient as source of religious laws ?" There are only two options :yes and no.

Sorry, I haven't read any of the article except for your two posts adibgnial.

But the answer to your question, as you only give two options, is NO.

The Law is derived from Quran and Hadith. Allah gave the prophet authority to pass law. There are many things that are not in the Quran, but can be found in Hadith. Therefore the answer is NO. Quran is not sufficient to pass laws, you need Hadith too.

InshaAllah I will try to read up on the rest of the topic as soon as I can.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2011 01:11

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The above verses are crystal clear , GOD says clearly that Quran is fully detailed as a source of religious laws

The Quran also tells us if we do not know, ask someone who does. It also tells us to obey what the prophet tells us,i.e. Hadith

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2011 01:39

Allaah azza wa jal also says: "Just as We have sent among you a messenger from yourselves reciting to you Our verses and purifying you and teaching you the Book and wisdom and teaching you that which you did not know." (2:151)

As can clearly be seen by the above verse, the noble Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not just a postman, so to speak. He was sent by Allaah to 'teach' the Qur'aan as well. And this teaching is what is found in the ahaadeeth.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2011 01:51

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So now I ask you brothers and sisters ,why putting human books written centuries after the death of the Prophet Muhammad as sources of religious laws beside the book of GOD,while the quran is fully detailed as a source of religious laws ?

To adibgnial.

The Quran you follow, does it begin with Surah Fatiha and end with Surah Naas. Or does it begin from from Surah Alaq, Iqra'?

What proof do you have that the Quran is the word of Allah.

Was the Quran not revealed as and when needed.

How comes the Quran starts from.Surah fatiha, yet we all believe the Iqra was the first word/surah to be revealed.

Was the Quran revealed in a book form as we have it today.

What proof do you have that what we call the Quran IS the Quran.

There is only one valid answer. Is it via a solid chain of transmission aka Hadith? Yes or no. There is only one answer.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2011 03:09

Take a look at this post.

www.muftisays.com/blog/abu+mohammed/634_03-12-2010/the-ka...

Allah has used many signs to prove his highness. If 19 is so powerful, then so be it.

What about the number 1.618, what about 7, what about 1, what about 5, whatn about 40. Allah is perfect, he has given us many signs, this does not mean we know it all does it. There is so much more to explain. Of 19 doesnt fit every where does mean there is a flaw in allahs book.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2011 03:21

Salamun 'alaykum,
Quran was transmitted generation after generation thru huffads till now, and also there are many old mushafs ,all of them contains the same words in the same order.
Furthermore, the mathematical miracle of quran reassures our heart that this is the word of GOD.
About hadith, what I said and from quran (please check the verses above), it is forbidden to use them as a source of law beside quran,same as any other book because GOD is the only lawmaker in religion ,putting another source of law is puting a god besides GOD.But as a historical document you can use any book you want. Quran is fully detailed as a source of religious laws.
This does not mean that you will find how to make a cake,but the meaning is that you will find everything about religious laws (see 6:114).

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