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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2010 21:23
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Due to their immense love for the prophet and the Aulia,they really cant see the wrong in there actions regarding religion,same thing as christians really there love for Isa(as) took them out of islam.and i am scared these people are close by.may Allah guide them to the right way.
Say: "If you (really) love Allaah then follow me (Muhammad), Allaah will love you
, [Soorah Aal-'Imraan, Aayah 31].The sign of the love of the Messenger (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) is that a person inquires about his sunnah and then follows it and does not add nor take anything away from that.Those who innovate in anything related to the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) and state that this is from their love and honoring of him (the Prophet) then in reality they do not love him and nor honor him.
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 17th March 2010 07:05
That's my argument with people,if you love him then follow his sunna,do not praise him in the levels of Allah,his created being, created by Allah.No doubt he is the best from the rest,proving your love for him,follow his way of life,what he gave and what he forbid. THATS LOVE.
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 17th March 2010 21:14
I agree with you.
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 18th March 2010 22:50
Assalamo alaykum Members have achieved the answer to this topic although you may continue to discus if you wish.

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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 19th March 2010 09:28
so dose this mean this group is coming to an end?
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 19th March 2010 09:46
what does it say?? does it say topic or group? the group will continue inshallah! with us or without .
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 19th March 2010 10:18
Alhamdulillah! May Allah accept....did not know a lot about this subject and i learnt a lot. Jazakaumullah. Sister in islam, i pray for your family, it must be very hard, dont give up trying. Insha Allah one day you will see results
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 19th March 2010 18:17
Founder of the Barelwi sect Ahmad Raza Khan has documented in his Fatawaa Razviah: 'One maintaining the doctrine of trinity is not a polytheist (mushrik)". (Fatawaa Razviah,vol 1, pg 738)
The above mentioned fatwa is against the following verse: لقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ ثَالِثُ ثَلَاثَةٍ "Surely, disbelievers are those who said: Allah is the third of the three"
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 20th March 2010 11:15
Aqeeda of baralvi,i was shocked,these people have really lost their plot.

read below.



How Auliya-Allah help from Grave ?


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Allah said in Quran:

إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاَةَ وَيُؤُْونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ


Verily, your Walee (Protector or Helper) is Allah, His Messenger صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم , and the believers, - those who perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, and they bow down.
[Maida:55]

There is an hadith is there in virtue of Hazrat Ali R.A regarding Shan-e-Nazul of this verse:

عن عمار بن ياسر رضي الله عنه، يقول: وقف على علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه سائل وهو راكع في تطوع، فنزع خاتمه فأعطاه السائل، فأتى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم، فأعلمه ذالك، فنزلت على النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم هذه الآية:
إنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللهُ وَرَسُوْله وَالَّذِيْنَ آمَنُوا الَّذِيْنَ يُقِيْمُوْنَ الصَّلاةَ وَيُؤْتُوْنَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُوْنَ
فقرأها رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم، ثم قال: من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه، اللهم! وال من والاه، وعاد من عاداه.

Translation:

"It is narrated by 'Ammār bin Yāsir (رضی اللہ عنہ) that a beggar came up to 'Alī (رضی اللہ عنہ) and stood beside him. He رضی اللہ عنہ was kneeling in prayer. He رضی اللہ عنہ pulled out his ring and he gave the ring to the beggar. Then 'Alī (رضی اللہ عنہ) called on the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) and told him the news. At this occasion, this verse was revealed to him: (Surely your (helping) friend is Allāh and His Messenger and (along with them) are the believers who establish prayers, pay zakāh and bow down (in humility before Allāh (Subhana Wa Taala)). Allāh's Messenger (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) read out the verse and said: One who has me as his master has 'Alī as his master. O Allāh! Be his friend who befriends him ('Alī) and be his enemy who is his enemy."

References:


1. Tabarānī related it in al-Mu'jam-ul-awsat (7:129, 130 # 6228), al-Mu'jam-ul-kabīr (4:174 # 4053; 5:195, 203, 204 # 5068, 5069, 5092, 5097), and in al-Mu'jam-us-saghīr (1:65).
2. Ahmad bin Hambal narrated it in al-Musnad (1:119; 4:372);
3. Hākim, al-Mustadrak (3:119, 371 # 4576, 5594);
4. Diyā' Maqdisī, al-Ahādīth-ul-mukhtārah (2:106, 174 # 480, 553);
5. Haythamī, Majma'-uz-zawā'id (7:17), Mawārid-uz-zam'ān (p.544 # 2205);
6. Ibn Athīr, Asad-ul-ghābah fī ma'rifat-is-sahābah (2:362; 3:487);
7. Hindī, Kanz-ul-'ummāl (11:332, 333 # 31662; 13:104, 169 # 36340, 36511);
8. Khatīb Baghdādī in Tārīkh Baghdad (7:377).
9. Hindī has written in Kanz-ul-'ummāl (11:609 # 32950):

• Tabarānī related this tradition from Abū Hurayrah (رضی اللہ عنہ) and twelve Companions (Rahmatullahi Allaih),
• Imām Ahmad bin Hambal has related it from Abū Ayyūb al-Ansārī (رضی اللہ عنہ) and a larger number of Companions (Rahmatullahi Allaih).
• Hākim has narrated it from 'Alī (رضی اللہ عنہ) and Talhah (رضی اللہ عنہ) in al-Mustadrak. Imām Ahmad bin Hambal and Tabarānī have related this tradition from 'Alī, Zayd bin Arqam and thirty Companions (Rahmatullahi Allaih).
• Abū Nu'aym has copied it from Sa'd in Fadāil-us-sahābah and Khatīb Baghdādī has copied it from Anas (رضی اللہ عنہ) .
• Khatīb Baghdādī has copied it in Tārīkh Baghdad (12:343) from 'Abdullāh bin 'Abbās (رضی اللہ عنہ) along with the words:
من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه.
One who has me as his master has 'Alī as his master.


Now question that arises here is that how these Believers the friends of Allah (Auliya-Allah) help from grave ? how can they listen from far distance ? how can they see so long ?...etc.

Before answering these Questions I would like to quote a hadith (actually it is Hadith-e-Qudsi) from Sahih Bukhari Shreef.

Bukhari sharif Volume 8, Book 76, Number 509:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) said, "Allah said, 'I will declare war against him who shows hostility to a pious worshipper of Mine. And the most beloved things with which My slave comes nearer to Me, is what I have enjoined upon him; and My slave keeps on coming closer to Me through performing Nawafil (praying or doing extra deeds besides what is obligatory) till I love him, so I become his sense of hearing with which he hears, and his sense of sight with which he sees, and his hand with which he grips, and his leg with which he walks; and if he asks Me, I will give him, and if he asks My protection (Refuge), I will protect him; (i.e. give him My Refuge) and I do not hesitate to do anything as I hesitate to take the soul of the believer, for he hates death, and I hate to disappoint him."


حضرت ابوہریرہ رضی اللہ عنہ سے روایت ہے کہ حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : اللہ تعالیٰ فرماتا ہے : جو میرے کسی ولی سے دشمنی رکھے میں اُس سے اعلانِ جنگ کرتا ہوں اور میرا بندہ ایسی کسی چیز کے ذریعے میرا قرب نہیں پاتا جو مجھے فرائض سے زیادہ محبوب ہو اور میرا بندہ نفلی عبادات کے ذریعے برابر میرا قرب حاصل کرتا رہتا ہے یہاں تک کہ میں اس سے محبت کرنے لگتا ہوں اور جب میں اس سے محبت کرتا ہوں تو میں اس کا کان بن جاتا ہوں جس سے وہ سنتا ہے اور اس کی آنکھ بن جاتا ہوں جس سے وہ دیکھتا ہے اور اس کا ہاتھ بن جاتا ہوں جس سے وہ پکڑتا ہے اور اس کا پاؤں بن جاتا ہوں جس سے وہ چلتا ہے۔ اگر وہ مجھ سے سوال کرتا ہے تو میں اسے ضرور عطا کرتا ہوں اور اگر وہ میری پناہ مانگتا ہے تو میں ضرور اسے پناہ دیتا ہوں۔ میں نے جو کام کرنا ہوتا ہے اس میں کبھی اس طرح متردد نہیں ہوتا جیسے بندۂ مومن کی جان لینے میں ہوتا ہوں۔ اسے موت پسند نہیں اور مجھے اس کی تکلیف پسند نہیں۔

First of all note the starting words, Allah Said : I will declare war against him who shows hostility to a pious worshipper of Mine. So it's just a warning to those who deny the virtues the powers and the status of friends of Allah, and disrespect them and consider them as ordinary person and compare them with idols. So those who keep these views regarding friends of Allah, Allah declare war against them.

Now, one can imagine that to whom Allah declared war, he/she whether apparently looks like muslim and show knowledge of religion, actually tht person is Munafiq, and Allah has declared war against him/her.

Always remember, we are not discussing friends of normal person or our friends, it's the matter of friends of Allah, to whom Allah say that they are my Friends, so now they are not like or equal to status and position of ordinary person. Obviously because he is friend of Allah. So there is also warning in Quran as well :

حضرت عمر بن خطاب رضی اللہ عنہ سے روایت ہے کہ حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : بے شک اﷲ تعالیٰ کے کچھ ایسے برگزیدہ بندے ہیں جو نہ انبیاء کرام ہیں نہ شہداء، قیامت کے دن انبیاء کرام علیھم السلام اور شہداء انہیں اﷲ تعالیٰ کی طرف سے عطا کردہ مقام دیکھ کر اُن پر رشک کریں گے۔ صحابہ کرام رضی اللہ عنھم نے عرض کیا : یا رسول اﷲ! آپ ہمیں ان کے بارے میں بتائیں کہ وہ کون ہیں؟ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : وہ ایسے لوگ ہیں جن کی ایک دوسرے سے محبت صرف اﷲ تعالیٰ کی خاطر ہوتی ہے نہ کہ رشتہ داری اور مالی لین دین کی وجہ سے۔ اﷲتعالیٰ کی قسم! ان کے چہرے نور ہوں گے اور وہ نور (کے منبروں) پر ہوں گے، انہیں کوئی خوف نہیں ہوگا جب لوگ خوفزدہ ہوں گے، انہیں کوئی غم نہیں ہوگا جب لوگ غم زدہ ہوں گے پھر آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے یہ آیت تلاوت فرمائی : ''خبردار! بیشک اولیاء اللہ پر نہ کوئی خوف ہے اور نہ وہ رنجیدہ و غمگین ہوں گے۔

References: (From Siha-Sitta and other Books)
أبو داود في السنن، کتاب : البيوع، باب : في الرهن، 3 : 288، الرقم : 3527،
والنسائي في السنن الکبري، سورة يونس، 6 / 362، الرقم : 11236،
والبيهقي في شعب الايمان، 6 / 486، الرقم : 8998



أَلاَ إِنَّ أَوْلِيَاءَ اللّهِ لاَ خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلاَ هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ
خبردار!
بیشک اولیاء اللہ پر نہ کوئی خوف ہے اورنہ وہ رنجیدہ و غمگین ہوں گے

Behold! verily on the friends of Allah there is no fear, nor shall they grieve;

So u can see before talking about friends (Auliya), Allah use word أَلاَ Khaberdar, Behold, Danger. Question comes why is that so ? Allah never use this word while discussing other issues in Quran, why now this word is use when matter of Auliya Allah is going to be discussed ?

Remember! Danger word always use where there is really a danger, you go to power station and see sign of danger at different places, why they put it there ? just because, slight miss handling or mistake can take your life! So where there is danger to life, people put up danger sign board, similarly here when discussing Auliya Allah the friends of Allah all-mighty, slight miss behavior, disrespect and hatred (bay-adabi, ghustakhi) can take your Emaan!! That is why Allah warned everyone, that before discussing them 'behold' 'be aware'....you are going to talk about Allah's friends ...these are not ordinary people!
In a Hadith of Siha Sitta Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم said :

حضرت اسماء بنت یزید رضی اﷲ عنھا سے روایت ہے کہ میں نے حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم کو فرماتے ہوئے سنا : کیا میں تمہیں تم میں سے سب سے بہتر لوگوں کے بارے میں خبر نہ دوں؟ صحابہ کرام رضی اللہ عنھم نے عرض کیا : یا رسول اﷲ! کیوں نہیں۔ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : تم میں سے بہتر لوگ وہ ہیں کہ جب انہیں دیکھا جائے تو اﷲتعالیٰ یاد آ جائے۔

References:
ابن ماجه في السنن، کتاب : الزهد، باب : من لا يؤبه له، 2 / 1379، الرقم : 4119،
وأحمد بن حنبل في المسند، 6 / 459، الرقم : 27640،
والبخاري في الأدب المفرد، 1 / 119، الرقم : 323،
والطبراني في المعجم الکبير، 24 / 167، الرقم : 423


Coming back to Hadiht-e-Qudsi. After declaring war against those who donot believe in Auliya-Allah, Allah said :



1. I become his sense of hearing with which he hears
2. his sense of sight with which he sees
3. his hand with which he grips
4. his leg with which he walks



Always remember Allah is pak from hand, legs eyes etc, now what these word here mean ? for this I will explain it with two very simple examples if u concentrate and read it, you will easily be able to understand these words. Before moving on to explanation of Hadith-e-Qudsi, let us see Powers of a Wali (Asif Bin Berkhia) of Hazrat Sulaiman A.S Ummah, who was blessed with little knowledge of Book.

[Surah Naml:38--40]
When Hazrat Sulaiman A.S asked who can bring the Takht (throne) of Queen of Saba, then Asif Bin Berkhia a Wali who was blessed with little knowledge of Book, bring that takht within the twinkling of an eye! and the distance from court of Hazrat Sulaiman A.S and capital of saba (where that throne was) is not less than 1500 miles, and the throne was not lying in a jungle from where it had just to be fetched. It lay in a queen's palace, which must have been well-guarded, and in the absence of the queen it must have been kept in a secure place.

As in verse :
(پھر) ایک ایسے شخص نے عرض کیا جس کے پاس (آسمانی) کتاب کا کچھ علم تھا کہ میں اسے آپ کے پاس لا سکتا ہوں قبل اس کے کہ آپ کی نگاہ آپ کی طرف پلٹے (یعنی پلک جھپکنے سے بھی پہلے)، پھر جب (سلیمان علیہ السلام نے) اس (تخت) کو اپنے پاس رکھا ہوا دیکھا (تو) کہا: یہ میرے رب کا فضل ہے تاکہ وہ مجھے آزمائے کہ آیا میں شکر گزاری کرتا ہوں یا نا شکری، اور جس نے (اللہ کا) شکر ادا کیا سو وہ محض اپنی ہی ذات کے فائدہ کے لئے شکر مندی کرتا ہے اور جس نے ناشکری کی تو بیشک میرا رب بے نیاز، کرم فرمانے والا ہے،

One with whom was knowledge of the Scripture said: "I will bring it to you within the twinkling of an eye!" then when (Sulaiman (Solomon)) saw it placed before him, he said: "This is by the Grace of my Lord to test me whether I am grateful or ungrateful!

So just see, jisay kuch Ilm dia gaya us ki powers or Ikhtayarat or authorities ka ye alam hai kay he bought that throne from thousand miles within twinkling of an eye!!

And Hazrat Sulaiman A.S said on this karamat that this is Allah's Fazal. Now just Imagine jis per Book ka sara ilm nazil huwa, jisay Allah nay Fazal-e-Azeem (sab say bara fazal) say nawaza us ki powers or authorities or us kay knowledge ka koi insaan andaza nahi laga sakta.

Jis per Kuch fazal huwa, jis per fermaya :This is by the Grace of my Lord us nay itni azeem-o-shan takat ka muzahira kia, tou jis per Fazal-e-Azeem hai,
Allah said 4:113:
وَكَانَ فَضْلُ اللّهِ عَلَيْكَ عَظِيما
And Ever Great is the Grace of Allah unto you (O Muhammad صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم). .. now can anyone in this universe even imagine the Powers and highness of Knowledge of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ?

Now we'll see how these Auliya, the friends of Allah help from grave and how the get the power ?


Explanation of Hadith Bukhari sharif Volume 8, Book 76, Number 509
Example No.1:

Take a piece of Iron, and put it into fire. Now you know it very well that iron (loha) has no power to burn things. Iron in normal state cannot burn others. But when placed in fire and when it got red, now it has the power the ability to burn things. It is still same piece of Iron, but why it is now able to burn other things ? just because this piece of iron has put itself to fire, fire has given it his power of burning to Iron, now iron can also burn others. In urdu we say "iron nay apnay aap ko aag may fana kerdia, tou aag nay apni qualities iron mai daal deen jis say ab iron bhee dosri cheez ko jalanay kay kabil bangia."

So kia iron fire ban gia ? or fire iron ban gaee ?
Nahi, iron, iron hai...aag aag hai, sirif huwa kia, aag nay apni quality apni property to burn iron ko bhee daydee, yani fire ki quality (to burn things) is appearing from a piece of iron.

So similarly Auliya Allah the friends of Allah doing worship and performing lots of Nawafil, they kill there nafs, wo apnay aap ko Allah ki zaat may fana kerdaytay hain. Phir un say Allah ki sifaat ka zahor(izhar) hota hai.

They do not become Allah! Just like iron does not became fire. Sirif hota ye hai kay Allah ki qualities ka zahor in Auliya say hota hai. That is why from hadith, Eye is of that wali that pious man, but power of watching is of Allah, ear is of that pious man, but power of hearing is of Allah, hand is still of that pious worshipper, but power in those hand is power of Allah, they do not become Allah (Naozobillah) but they become Mazhar (means zahir honay ki jaga) of Qualities of All-Mighty Allah.

Yani un ki bashri sifaat magloob hojateen hain or Allah ki sifaat ghalib aajateen hain.
When I pious worshipper the friend of Allah reached at this state, this stage is called Muqam-e-Faqr, or fana-fillah.

And Holy Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم said about it:
الفقر فخری والفقر منی
Translation: "Faqr is my pride and Faqr is my heritage".

That is why Allah called Prophet's صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم hand His Hand :
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُبَايِعُونَكَ إِنَّمَا يُبَايِعُونَ اللَّهَ يَدُ اللَّهِ فَوْقَ أَيْدِيهِمْ فَمَن نَّكَثَ فَإِنَّمَا يَنكُثُ عَلَى نَفْسِهِ وَمَنْ أَوْفَى بِمَا عَاهَدَ عَلَيْهُ اللَّهَ فَسَيُؤْتِيهِ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا.

(اے حبیب!) بیشک جو لوگ آپ سے بیعت کرتے ہیں وہ اﷲ ہی سے بیعت کرتے ہیں، ان کے ہاتھوں پر (آپ کے ہاتھ کی صورت میں) اﷲ کا ہاتھ ہے۔ پھر جس شخص نے بیعت کو توڑا تو اس کے توڑنے کا وبال اس کی اپنی جان پر ہوگا اور جس نے (اس) بات کو پورا کیا جس (کے پورا کرنے) پر اس نے اﷲ سے عہد کیا تھا تو وہ عنقریب اسے بہت بڑا اجر عطا فرمائے گاo

Those who swear allegiance to you, swear allegiance to Allah. The hand of Allah is over their hands; so who-so ever breaks his oath, he breaks it to his own loss, and whosoever fulfils the covenant which he had made with Allah, then Allah shall soon give him a great Reward.

So we also got evidence from Quran.


Now I'll explain this hadith-e-Qudsi with another more simpler example:

Some people got influenced with Jinnat, logon per jin cherh jata hai, and this is a reality, which is proved from Quran. So when somebody got affected or controlled by a jin, then hands are still of that person, tongue is still same, but when he speak people who are watching say Jin is speaking.

So is that man become a Jin ? or a Jin become a man ? No! neither man become Jin nor Jin is converted in to human, Man is still man, Jin is still Jin, na Jin insaan bana na insaan jin bana but what happens ? huwa ye kay Jin nay insaan ki properties or qualities ko block kerdia, and apni properties or qualities ko enforce kerdia, ab insaan ka dekhna Jin ka dekhna hai, Insaan ka bolna jin ka bolna hai. Insan insan he hai, mager Jin ki qualities or properties ka zahor insaan say ho raha hai.

So a Jin which is just a creation of Allah, jin has so power to takeover human then who can imagine the power of Allah ?... JIN jo ALLAH ki ek creature hai us kay aser or ghalib ajanay ka ye haal hain tou khalik jo ALLAH hai us kay aser or ghalbay ka kia haal hoga ? kay ALLAH tallah un kay bashiri osaaf qualities ko malghoob ker kay apni qualities ghalib kerdayta hai.

That is why we say tht seeing of that person is from vision of Allah, hearing of that person is from hearing power of Allah and helping through their hands is helping of Allah. They do not become Allah but from them Qualities and Allah's powers becomes appearing.


Now answer to the questions and objections that how these Believers the friends of Allah (Auliya-Allah) help from grave ? how can they listen from far distance ? how can they see so long ?... are crystal clear.

--Their vision is Allah's vision, so is there anything hidden from Allah's vision ?
--Their hearing is Allah's Hearing, so that is why they can hear anyone who call them for help.
--Their helping and power is Allah's help and power.

So that is why we say and believe that these friends of Allah can help according to verse Maida:55. And our believe is all from Quran and Authentic Hadiths it is not fake and self made, those who think like it they might have miss understandings and confusions, because they use their own mind and sense infront of Quran and Hadith, they never try to see what Quran and Hadith are telling us.

Or they miss interpret some hadiths and verses, and make false believe which results in contradiction in Quran and Sunnah.

Objection : Some people will raise this objection so I am answering it in advance. They say that they have these powers when they were here in this world, now they have passed away so they can't listen help.

This objection is extremely illogical, baseless and senseless and shows the low standard of knowledge of those who raise such objections.

Now to answer this, first those who raise this objection prove that Allah take back their powers (which Allah has bestowed on His friends in their apparent life) when Auliya Passes from this world!

Secondly it is already proved from Quran and Ahadiths from Bukhari that after passing this world powers of listening seeing hearing increases rather getting decrease. Even a Kafir can listen more after his dead. and this is clear from hadiths of Bukhari and Muslim.

Allah and His Prophet (sal-lal-lahu alai hi w knows the Best.

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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 20th March 2010 19:43
I just finished reading the article..sister i think the author's name or source should be mentioned so that readers know where this kind of misleading info is coming from.....from the above post and shining light's earlier post regarding the fatwa, i'm begining to realise just how much deviation this group propagates!
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 20th March 2010 21:32
Yes i agree sister in Islam the source would better so we don't worry about who the info is coming from, also please could you cut them down a bit as i always tend to ignore really long posts.
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2010 10:09
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd March 2010 21:08
Jazakallah khair sister-in-islam that helps..its a Barelwi website full misguidance .Now i just read a bit of the above article but its soo long..havnt got the time at moment but look at this bit:

" Now answer to the questions and objections that how these Believers the friends of Allah (Auliya-Allah) help from grave ? how can they listen from far distance ? how can they see so long ?... are crystal clear.
--Their vision is Allah's vision, so is there anything hidden from Allah's vision ?
--Their hearing is Allah's Hearing, so that is why they can hear anyone who call them for help.
--Their helping and power is Allah's help and power."
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd March 2010 09:17
I know i can say not all baralvi believe all this,and i know some believe that the millad is from quran.i pray that Allah guides everyone on the right path before its to late for them.
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd March 2010 09:36
Aameen..this beautiful Hadithe Qudsi referred to in the article posted by sister in islam is one of my favourites and i have read and heard many different explanations regarding it from authentic Ulama-i-kiraam..never have i heard such misguidance as in the article! May Allah subhaanahu wata'ala protect from all misguidance
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