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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 8th March 2010 18:37

Allaho Akbar!!..may Allah accept both your efforts and guide your closest,
Sister-in-islam if your husband calls you a wahabi tell him you are pure Ahli sunnath wal jama'ath Hanafi Deobandi.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 8th March 2010 19:06

Anything on Tahir Qadri? His name came up earlier, dont know anything about him

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 8th March 2010 20:50

urrm..typical Barelwi with all the their aqeedah..goes to christian celebrations..listens to music mehfils (Qawali)..ignorant people bow down to him kiss his feet..Deceptive man.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2010 13:40

Very very knowledgeable in his field,is he a bare lvi?

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2010 14:01

so what is his field? isnt he the one who was supposed to "issue a fatwa" regarding Islam's stand against terrorism?.......

All sensible, sane people know that Islam and Muslims do NOT condone terrorism. How can we when our Seerah books are full of stories and examples about how our beloved Prophet, Rahmatul lil 'aalamaeen, sallallaahu 'alayhi wasallam gave specific instructions even during battles NOT to destroy crops, Not to burn homes, Not to kill innocent people. He did not even allow animals being mistreated! So why is it necessary to issue a fatwa?

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2010 14:15

Well is he a mufti,only mufti give out fatwa,but i know his very highly educated that's why his fooling a lot of people due to his knowledge..i dont know much about him,because i have never showed interest in him,but i would like to know about him,because i know lot of barelvi masjids welcome him a lot.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2010 15:58

I asked someone today and i was told he is not an 'Alim. He is the founder of Minhaajul Qur'an.....I dont know what it stands for or if this is true. Hopefully we'll get more info and then we can be wary.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2010 18:15

Tahir Qadri issued a Fatwa that every Deobandi and Salafi is a terrorist which he later tried to change, clarify and justify.

Information on this can be found on many pages on the net. Someone who can say such a thing can only be Fitnah.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2010 21:00

Just finished reading an article from the Evening Standard regarding Tahir Qadri. Yes he is the founder of Minhajul Qur'an and he has been given the title of Shaykhul Islam.....definite fitnah, May Allah guide and protect the Ummah

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2010 22:14

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so what is his field? isnt he the one who was supposed to "issue a fatwa" regarding Islam's stand against terrorism?.......

All sensible, sane people know that Islam and Muslims do NOT condone terrorism. How can we when our Seerah books are full of stories and examples about how our beloved Prophet, Rahmatul lil 'aalamaeen, sallallaahu 'alayhi wasallam gave specific instructions even during battles NOT to destroy crops, Not to burn homes, Not to kill innocent people. He did not even allow animals being mistreated! So why is it necessary to issue a fatwa?

To popularize himself

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2010 09:43

ummi taalib wrote:

i f i am not wrong,isn't it mufti.s that give out fatwas?as maulana Tariq jamil said in this day and age any tom,joe,and harry who's read few books on islam will start giving out fatwas.his too right.May Allah bless him with good health.Amen.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2010 07:22

salam all.
As there is no barelvi in this group,i thought its only fair to put this post in to see what their belief is .only that we also see there side of the story to.

The Sunni Hanafi school of jurisprudence ('Maktab-e- Fikr' i.e. 'School of Thought' in Urdu) is divided into Deobandi and Barelvi school in South Asia. Deobandis and Barelvis are the two major schools apart from the Shia Ithna Ashari school in South Asia. It is estmated that nearly 50% of the Pakistani population follow the Barelvi school. The Barelvi school was founded by Ahmad Raza Khan (1856-1921) of Bareilly within the Hanafi school of jurisprudence. This new school has created controversies and tension with other existing schools. The Barelvi school was founded to defend the existing unorthodox beliefs of Muslims of South Asia that were deeply influenced by Sufism and incorporated many non-Muslim and unorthodox beliefs against the reformation movements influenced by Hanbali school that emphasized Sharia and Qur'an. The Deobandis, Wahabis, Salafis and Ahle Hadith criticized Barelvis as the shrine-worshipping, the grave-worshiping, followers of saints and practicing many innovations (such as Bid'at) thar are not found in any other Muslim society. The Barelvi over-emphasis on Prophet Mohammad and associating him with divine attributes has been the most controversal belief that has been rejected by all the schools in Islam.

The differences between these sects can be difficult to understand. For the Barelvis, (who are mostly from the Pakistan province of Punjab) the holy Prophet is a superhuman figure whose presence is all around us at all times; he is Hazir (present); he is not Bashar (material or flesh) but Nur (light). The Deobandis, who also revere the Prophet, argue he was the Insan-i-Kamil, the perfect person, but still only a man, a mortal. Barelvis emphasise a love of Prophet Mohammad, a semi-divine figure with unique foreknowledge. The Deobandis reject this idea of Prophet Mohammad, emphasising Islam as a personal rather than a social religion.

The Barelvis follow many Sufi practices, including use of religious music (Qawwali) and intercession by their teacher. A key difference between Barelvi and Deobandi that Barelvi's believe in intercession between humans and Divine Grace. This consists of the intervention of an ascending, linked and unbroken chain of holy personages, pirs, reaching ultimately to Prophet Mohammad, who intercede on their behalf with God. It is a more superstitious - but also a more tolerant - tradition of Pakistan Islam. Their critics claim that Barelvis are guilty of committing innovation (Bid'at) and therefore, they are deviated from the true path - the path of Sunnah.

The Pakistan Movement got support from the Barelvis but was opposed by the Deobandi seminaries. However, after the establishment of Pakistan as an Islamic state in 1947, Barelvis law was too mixed up with mysticism to be a source of Islamic law. Ironically, Pakistan moved away from the 'spiritual pluralism' of the Barelvis, who had supported Pakistan, and relied on the more puritanical Islamic law of Deobandis who had opposed it.

Unlike the Deobandis, the Barelvis see the Prophet Mohammad as more than a man, a part of the divine light of God. This doctrine gives rise to a form of Islam that provides a space for holy men and esoteric practices and graves appear to be often more ornate than those found within Deobandi communities. The Wahhabi, Saudi Arabia's dominant school of law, part of Hanbali school of law, Deobandi, Ahle Hadith and Jamaat-I-Islami all are anti-Sufi, and against the over devotion to Prophet Mohammad, whereas the Barelvis emphasize Prophet Mohammad's uniqueness. Indeed, nearly 50% of South Asia's Sunni Muslims are said to follow the Barelvi school, closer to Sufism. Nearly 25% of Sunnis follow the Deobandi school, more closely related to the conservative and puritanical practice of Islam. Most Shias in the South Asia also tend to be influenced by the Sufis. Pakistan's Muslims, like other Muslims in the region, tend to follow a school of Islam which is less conservative, and hence the support for strongly and overtly Islamic parties has been minimal.

The Barelvis believe the Prophet Mohammad is a human being made from flesh and blood (Bashar) and a Nur (light) at the same time. This is like the example of when Archangel Jibrael (Gabriel), who is also Nur (light), used to appear to the Prophet Mohammad in the form of a man, flesh and blood. Prophet Mohammad is infallible and perfect and free from all imperfections and sinless (as are all Prophets). Prophet Mohammad is human but not like other humans. God has given him the ability to see the whole of Creation in detail while he is in his blessed grave as if he was looking at it in the palm of his hand. This is called being "Nazir" ("witnessing"). God has given him the ability to go physically and spiritually to anywhere in the Created Universes he pleases whenever he pleases (peace be upon him) and to be in more than one place at the same time. This is what is meant by "Hazir" (present). This is not the same as believing that he (peace be upon him) is present everywhere all the time.

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Like other Muslims, Barelvis base their beliefs on the Quran and SunnahSunnahSunnah is an Arabic word that means habit or usual practice. The Muslim usage of this term refers to the sayings and living habits of Muhammad, the main prophet of Islam....
. Barelvis follow the Ash`ari and MaturidiMaturidiIn the Islam, a Maturidi is one who follows Abu Mansur Al Maturidi's theology, which is a close variant of the Ash'ari theology...
schools of aqidahAqidahAqidah is an Islamic term meaning creed. Any religious belief system, or creed, can be considered an example of aqidah...
, the HanafiHanafiThe Hanafi school is one of the four schools of law or jurisprudence within Sunni Islam. The Hanafi madhhab is named after Abu Hanifa an-Nu'man ibn Thābit , and his legal views were preserved primarily by his two most...
schoolMadhhabMadhab is an Islamic school of law, or fiqh . In the first 150 years of Islam, there were many such "schools" - in fact, several of the Sahābah, or contemporary "companions" of Muhammad, are credited with founding their own...
of fiqhFiqhFiqh is Islamic jurisprudence. Fiqh is an expansion of the Sharia Islamic law-based directly on the Quran and Sunnah-that complements Shariah with evolving rulings/interpretations of Islamic jurists....
, and the Qadri, Chishti, NaqshbandiNaqshbandiNaqshbandi is one of the major tasawwuf orders of Islam. The order is considered to be a "sober" order as many following the Naqshbandi Sufi way have chosen the silent dhikr of the Heart, rather than the vocalized forms of dhikr common in other orders.The Naqshbandi Order is the only Sufi order...
or SuhrawardiSuhrawardiSuhrawardi or al-Suhrawardi is a name that may refer to:* Shahab al-Din Suhrawardi , Iranian philosopher * Abu al-Najib al-Suhrawardi , Iranian Sufi, founder of Suhrawardiyya order of Sufism...
Sufi ordersTariqahṬarīqah means "way, path, method" and refers to an Islamic religious order; in Sufism, it is conceptually related to ḥaqīqah "truth", the ineffable ideal that is the pursuit of the tradition. Thus one starts with Islamic law, the exoteric or mundane practice of Islam and then is initiated onto the...
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Distinctive beliefs

Barelvis support several theological points which put them at odds with several other so called "Sunni" Muslim schools.

�The prophet MuhammadMuhammadMuhammad ibn 'Abdullāh , is the founder of the religion of Islam [ إِسْلامْ ] and is regarded by Muslims as a messenger and prophet of , the last and the greatest law-bearer in a series of Islamic prophets as taught by the...
was made out of noor (light).
�Muslim saints (aulias) are able to intercede on behalf of the living

Distinctive practices
�The praise of Muhammad in poetry, especially during Mawlid.
�The singing of Urdu and Arabic praise songs, such as salat o salam, duroodDuroodDurood is an invocation which Muslims make by saying specific phrases to compliment the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The Islamic view is to say durood whenever a Muslim reads, speaks or hears the name of Muhammad...
and naatNaatA Na`at is a poetry that specifically praises the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Many of the famous scholars in the earlier days of Islam wrote Naat. People who recite Naat are known as Naat-Khuwan or Sana-Khuwan.-History:...
after FajrFajrThe Fajr prayer is the first of the five daily prayers after recited by practising Muslims. The five daily prayers collectively form one pillar of the Five Pillars of Islam, in Sunni Islam, and one of the ten Practices of the Religion according to Shia Islam.The Fajr prayer is mentioned by name...
and Jumuah prayers.
�The celebration of Islamic holidays such as MawlidMawlidMawlid ' is a term used to refer to the observance of the birthday of the Islamic prophet Muhammad which occurs in Rabi' al-awwal, the...
,MirajMirajMiraj is a historic town in southern Maharashtra, India. The history of the town dates back to the early 10th century, and the town is known for its rich tradition of Hindustani classical music and for religious harmony. It served as a stronghold and a strategic bastion owing to its location and...
, Shab-e-Barat, Laylat al-QadrLaylat al-QadrFor the book by Spider Robinson see Night of Power Laylat al-Qadr , the Night of Power, the Night of Decree or Night of Measures, is the anniversary of two very important dates in Islam that occurred in the month of Ramadan. "Qadr" is Arabic for power / ability...
and the death and birth anniversaries of various Sufis saints.

Missionary activities

Barelvis have expanded their missionary activities in various countries of AsiaAsiaAsia is the world's largest and most populous continent, located in the eastern and northern hemispheres. It covers 8.6% of the earth's total surface area and with approximately 4 billion people, it hosts 60% of the world's current human population.Asia is traditionally defined as part of the...
, EuropeEuropeEurope is, by convention, one of the world's seven continents. Comprising the westernmost peninsula of Eurasia, Europe is generally divided from Asia to its east by the water divide of the Ural Mountains, the Ural River, the Caspian Sea, the Caucasus Mountains , and the Black Sea to the southeast...
, North AmericaNorth AmericaNorth America is the northern continent of the Americas, situated in the Earth's northern hemisphere and in the western hemisphere. It is bordered on the north by the Arctic Ocean, on the east by the North Atlantic Ocean, on the southeast by the Caribbean Sea, and on the west by the North Pacific...
and South AfricaSouth AfricaThe Republic of South Africa is a country located at the southern tip of Africa, with a coastline on the Atlantic and Indian Oceans. To the north lie Namibia, Botswana and Zimbabwe, to the east are Mozambique and Swaziland, while Lesotho is an independent country surrounded by South Africa.Modern...
through an organization named Ahle Sunnah-wa-Al-Jamaah (ASWJ). Ilyas Attar Qadri founded an additional ASWJ foundation, Dawat-e-IslamiDawat-e-IslamiDawat-e-Islami is an international, non-political organization propagating the Barelwi school of Islam.-Origin:Dawat-e-Islami was founded in 1980 in Karachi, Pakistan, by Well Known scholar,commonly Known as Emir-e-Ahlesunnat, Allama Maulana Muhammad Ilyas Attar Qadri Razawi sahib. This movement...
, in 1981.

Relations with other Islamic movements

Ahmad Raza Khan issued fatwaFatwaA fatwā , in the Islamic faith is a religious opinion concerning Islamic law issued by an Islamic scholar. In Sunni Islam any fatwa is non-binding, whereas in Shia Islam it could be binding, depending on the status of the scholar...
s of takfirTakfirIn Islamic law, takfir or takfeer refers to apostasy in Islam, or the practice of declaring oneself an unbeliever or kafir , previously considered Muslim...
against the founders of the DeobandiDeobandiA Deobandi is an individual, usually an Islamic scholar, who follows the methodology of the Deoband Islamic movement that began at Darul Uloom Deoband in Deoband, India when its foundation was laid in 1867 by its founders...
sect, Wahabism and Qadianism. Commenting on this, historian Usha SanyalUsha SanyalDr. Usha Sanyal, Ph.D.History Columbia University, is a scholar and historian specializing in Asia. Her dissertation concerned the Islamic legal scholar Ahmed Rida Khan, founder of the Barelwi movement. Later published in book form, it is often cited by historians writing about Indian and Islam....
in her research entitled, Devotional Islam and Politics in British India: Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi and His Movement, 1870-1920 stated:

Opposition to the Taliban

The Barelwi movement of South Asia have taken a stance against Taliban movements in South Asia, organising rallies and protests in India and Pakistan, condemning what they perceive as unjustified sectarian violence. The Sunni United Council (SUC),an amalgamation of eight Sunni organizations, launched the Save Pakistan Movement to stem the process of Talibanisation. Terming the Taliban a product of global anti-Islam conspiracies, the leaders of SUC charged it with playing into the hands of the United States to divide Muslims and bring a bad name to Islam.

Supporting this movement, the foreign minister of Pakistan Shah Mahmood Qureshi, said:

Early scholars
�Mustafa Raza KhanMustafa Raza KhanMustafa Raza Khan, commonly known among the Muslims of the South Asia as Mufti e Azam e Hind, was born in Bareilly, Uttar Pradesh, India in 1892. His father, Ahmed Raza Khan was the founder of the Barelwi movement in South Asia.. His grandfather, Moulana Naqi Ali Khan Mustafa Raza Khan, commonly...

�Hamid Raza KhanHamid Raza KhanHamid Raza Khan Qaadiri: was an Islamic scholar and mystic of the Barelvi movement. Qaaderi was born in 1875 , in the city of Bareilly, India...

�Fazl-e-Haq Khairabadi
�Abdul Aleem Siddiqi
�Syed Abdullah Shah NaqshbandiSyed Abdullah Shah NaqshbandiAbul Hasanat Sayyid Abdullah Shah Naqshbandi Qadiri,Abul Hasanat Sayyid Abdullah Shah Naqshbandi Qadiri,Abul Hasanat Sayyid Abdullah Shah Naqshbandi Qadiri,(Arabic: popularly known as Hadrat Abdullah Shah Sahib, was one of the celeberated scholars of Islam and spiritual reformer...

�Shah Ahmad Noorani SiddiqiShah Ahmad Noorani SiddiqiQaid-e-Ahl-e-Sunnat Allama Shah Ahmad Noorani Siddiqi , also known as Noorani Mian, was an Islamic scholar of the Hanafi Barelvi school of thought, son of the legendary Sufi Saint Maulana Abdul Aleem Siddiqi, founder of Jamiat Ulema-e-Pakistan and leading co-founder of Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal.He...
- Jamiat Ulema-e-PakistanJamiat Ulema-e-PakistanThe Jamiat Ulema-e-Pakistan is a political party in Pakistan. It is part of the Islamic Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal, that won at the last legislative elections, 20 october 2002, 11.3 of the popular vote and 53 out of 272 elected members.This party belongs to the Sunni current, which in...
and World Islamic MissionWorld Islamic MissionThe World Islamic Mission or WIM is an international Muslim organisation of Sunni Muslims. It was started by Hazrat Shah Ahmad Noorani Siddiqi in Mecca Sharif in 1972. The World Islamic Mission has grown to serve Muslims across Europe, the United States of America, North America, Africa, and...

�Abdul Wahab Siddiqi - United Kingdom
�Muhammad Karam Shah al-AzhariMuhammad Karam Shah al-AzhariJustice Diya al-'Ummah Hadhrat Shaykh Mawlana Mufti Muhammad Karam Shah al-Azhari , Sitara-e-Imtiaz, was an eminent Sheykh of tariqa Chistiyya and an Islamic scholar from Pakistan who served as a Judge at the Federal Shariat Court of Pakistan and Shariat Appellate Bench of the Supreme Court of...

�Shams Barelwi - Pakistan
�Arshadul Qaudri -Jamia Hazrat Nizamuddin AuliyaJamia Hazrat Nizamuddin AuliyaJamia Hazrat Nizamuddin Auliya, is a famous Madarsa of Sunni Barelwi of India. It was established by the famous Sunni scholar of India, Allama Arshadul Qaudri in Zakir Nagar locality of Okhla, New Delhi, and named after Sufi saint, Hazrat Nizamuddin Auliya. The present director is Dr...

�Sarfraz Ahmed NaeemiSarfraz Ahmed NaeemiMufti Sarfraz Ahmed Naeemi, , was a leading anti-Taliban Sunni Islamic cleric from Pakistan who was well known for his moderate views. He was killed in a suicide bombing in Lahore, Pakistan on June 12, 2009.-Life:...
- Lahore
�Pir Saifur RahmanPir Saifur RahmanPir Saifur Rahman is a cleric of the Naqshbandi Tariqa, most recently active in Bara tehsil, Khyber Agency, Pakistan. The Asia Times has reported Rahman as the leader of northwest Pakistan's Ansar-ul-IslamThe Asia Times has incorrectly reported Rahman as the leader of Ansar-ul-Islam...
-Pakistan

Present scholars
�Muhammad Akhtar Raza Khan Supreme Mufti of India - India
�Ghulam Rasool Jamaati
�Muhammad Imdad Hussain PirzadaMuhammad Imdad Hussain PirzadaMuhammad Imdad Hussain Pirzada, born in 1946 in Jhang, Pakistan, is a shaykh in the Chishti Nizami Sufi Order and author of devotional books on Islam.He is a graduate of DMG Bhera and the University of the Punjab...
Founder of BMF and Muslim CharityMuslim CharityMuslim Charity is a registered charity in the United Kingdom, charity registration number 1078488. The charity was founded in 1999 by Shaykh Muhammad Imdad Hussain Pirzada to provide relief for the needy around the world. The charity has provided emergency aid to thousands of individuals around the...

�Ilyas QadriIlyas QadriIlyas Attar Qadiri Razawi is the leader of the Sunni revival movement Dawat-e-Islami, which he founded in 1981 in Pakistan. is often referred to as 'Hazrat Sahab' or 'Bappa Jaan'.He has thousands of mureeds around the world.He has campaigned against sectarianism and terrorism...
Dawat-e-IslamiDawat-e-IslamiDawat-e-Islami is an international, non-political organization propagating the Barelwi school of Islam.-Origin:Dawat-e-Islami was founded in 1980 in Karachi, Pakistan, by Well Known scholar,commonly Known as Emir-e-Ahlesunnat, Allama Maulana Muhammad Ilyas Attar Qadri Razawi sahib. This movement...

�Turab-Ul-Haq QadriTurab-ul-Haq QadriTurab-ul-Haq Qadri is an Islamic scholar of the Barelvi school. Qadri was born in Hyderabad, India, and his family moved to Pakistan following the Partition of India...
- Pakistan
�Ameen Mian Qaudri - Barkatiya SilsilaBarkatiya SilsilaBarkati Silsila, a silsila of Sufism, has its roots in the Bilgram, a small town of United Provinces, India. The barkati Silsila is a sub-branch of the Qadri Sufi Silsila of Baghdad....
, India
�Ahmad Saeed Kazmi - Pakistan
�Aboobacker Ahmad All India Sunni Jamiatul Ulma, Kerala
�Mukarram Ahmad - Fatehpuri MasjidFatehpuri MasjidFatehpuri Masjid is located at the western end of the oldest street of Delhi, Chandni Chowk. It thus counterbalances the Red Fort on the opposite end of Chandni Chowk. Fatehpuri Masjid was built in 1650 by Fatehpuri Begum, one of Shah Jahan's wives Fatehpuri Masjid is located at the western end of...
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2010 07:34

Due to their immense love for the prophet and the Aulia,they really cant see the wrong in there actions regarding religion,same thing as christians really there love for Isa(as) took them out of islam.and i am scared these people are close by.may Allah guide them to the right way.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2010 13:03

Hmm very interesting reading..didn't know some of the things outlined in the article

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