I meant that the informing and warnings we are contributing in this forum group, I hope it isn't taken to be like the things sister-in-islam mentioned about the people in her area. I said "above post" it was the last post but by the time I posted, you already posted one before me.
jazakallah. yes i pray this group is going to contribute positively to this issue Insha Allah and i hope we avoid unnecessary disputes or add controversy to the already existing painful situation.
Regarding salfis,i think they dont have much diffrences from us,only that they dont follow the four school,and they read 8 taraweeh,and they dont believe in chashet salah,and few other things..well that what i know of them..but as i said i dont know the deep root of sects.maybe my thoughts regarding them are wrong due to my lack of knoweldge regarding sect.
Dont worry sister, through this group Insha Allah we will all learn and benefit and hopefully it will become a means for others benefitting by being guided to correct understanding regarding the many sects
I would like to know more about Alh hadith though,i know some of them think there above the four imam,i mean their knowledge..is it true they think like that?
Its a subject that requires a lot of reading for complete understanding. Below is short paragraph that will Insha Allah give you a basis to work with:
"The Salafiyyah / Wahhabi / Ahl al-Hadeeth are a small minority who are calling for the abandonment of Taqleed of the Imams of Fiqh. They came into existence recently claiming to be on the path of the pious predecessors of the first three generations, the Salaf as-Saaliheen. They claim to follow the Qur'an and Sunnah only, however in reality they follow the extreme and wrong interpretations of Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab, the founder of the Wahhabi movement who appeared in the 1700s. He was raised in Uyainah, an oasis in southern Najd (Saudi Arabia) and was from the Banu Tamim tribe. He came from a religious family and left Uyainah to pursue Islamic knowledge. He travelled to Mecca, Medina, Iraq, and Iran to acquire knowledge from different teachers. When he returned to his homeland of Uyainah, he preached what he believed to be Islam in its purity - which was, in fact, an assault on traditional Sunni Islam."
Basically they claim to follow the Qur'an and Sunnah and do not accept any of the four madhaahib OR pick and choose rulings from all four.
The simple fact of the matter is that we who make taqleed of one of the four Imams, are FOLLOWING THE QUR'AN AND SUNNAH THROUGH THE IMAM OF THE MADHAB WE FOLLOW!
Q. A fatwa was issued without any quotation from the Qur'an or the Hadith that the prayer of any Hanafi person behind an imam who belongs to Ahl Al-Hadith is null and void. Please comment.
Mohsin, Jeddah
A.1. This is a very serious question, because when we say that a prayer behind a certain imam is not valid, we are actually saying that this imam is not a Muslim. If we consider him a Muslim, then praying behind him is valid. When Muslims go into a mosque, they simply join the congregational prayer. They do not ask which school of thought the imam follows, or what particular view he adopts. Such matters are irrelevant. This means that whoever issued this fatwa considers all people who are called Ahl Al-Hadith to be non-Muslims. It is important, then, to know who Ahl Al-Hadith are and how acceptable their stand is.
In plain language, the term Ahl Al-Hadith means "the people of Hadith, or who follow Hadith", and "Hadith" is anything the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, did or approved. This means that by definition every Muslim belongs to the people of Hadith. When a person makes the essential declaration of Islam, i.e. the kalimah, stating his belief in God's oneness and in Prophet Muhammad's message, he accepts everything the Prophet said or did or approved as valid and applicable to him. Needless to say, all schools of thought can be called Ahl Al-Hadith in this wider sense. Indeed, the imams of all four schools have stated that they abide by the Hadith without hesitation.
However, the term is used in certain communities to refer to a particular group of people who refer to the Hadith directly, not through the schools of thought. Their scholars take from all schools of thought, and may even adopt a view that none of these schools approves, preferring to refer to the Hadith directly adopting a ruling on its basis. The danger in this approach is two fold: 1) it opens the way for people who are not qualified to issue a fatwa or ruling based on a Hadith, without a thorough study to learn how it should be applied; and 2) people may issue a ruling on the basis of a particular Hadith without relating it to other statements by the Prophet or indeed to Qur'anic statements.
In recent years there has been some hardening of attitude, with people who call themselves Ahl Al-Hadith showing disrespect of schools of thought and their followers. This was countered by denunciation of those who reject the four schools in preference for Hadith. It is such hardening of attitudes and the exchange of insults and derogatory terms that led to this type of division. We can certainly do without any division of this sort. Islam is broad-minded, and accommodates all people within the framework of its teachings, based on ease and serving people's best interests.
What is needed is an accommodating approach. People should always respect the other point of view. What we should remember is that we all seek God's pleasure and hope to earn reward from Him. Our ways may be different, but if we all agree that we follow the guidance provided by the Prophet Muhammad, through eminent scholars, then there is no difference between us.
As for this fatwa, it represents the extreme opposite of what I have just said. It takes a very rigid attitude and cannot be supported by any evidence. In fact, it betrays complete ignorance of Hadith, its role and status, as well as ignorance of the schools of thought and what they represent. It must be discounted altogether.
I could not believe it when i typed it in...theres even "hanafi vs shafi"! Its scary..i'm new to this internet thingi and i was shocked when last week a friend called from America whom i hadn't seen for 20 odd years. SHE GOOGLED MY NAME & GOT MY NUMBER & ADDRESS!
I could not believe it when i typed it in...theres even "hanafi vs shafi"! Its scary..i'm new to this internet thingi and i was shocked when last week a friend called from America whom i hadn't seen for 20 odd years. SHE GOOGLED MY NAME & GOT MY NUMBER & ADDRESS!
You joking sis,how is that possible?your number and address,besides its NOT safe.freaky and dangerous.
This cannot be undone and I am sure it will be greatly appreciated.
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